So mad I am shaking- DH trying to let OSD and GB stay at our house
I was having a good night with DH. We had a good weekend. He came off of his man period finally. I am having a health issue but feeling like DH was supportive about it, making me feel better. Dealing with 2 sick animals that are at the vets.... but we are still having a good night.
We were video recording our cockatoo bird dancing on DH's phone and a call from a number he doesn't recognize comes in 3 times and he just ignores it. Finally a text comes through "Hey dad it's MSD. Call me back its an emergency"
So DH heads downstairs to put the bird back and call MSD. However he takes the phone call in the bathroom, door closed, like he is trying to hide something. That itself was annoying.
He finally comes out (he wasn't using the bathroom either)and is shaking his head and says that MSD needs a place to stay. Right then and there I see red. NO FUCKIN WAY. In which he proceeds to tell me that she is on her way.
Cue total freak out from zerostepdrama!!!!!
I basically told him I would call the cops if she showed up here. No way in freakin hell was she allowed in my house. She was not staying here. I would not have her lying, manipulative, STEALING ass in my house.
And how can you not even discuss this with me???? And he is like uuhhh welll I told her I would ask you and call her back. Ummm okay because you just said she was on her way.
I am so mad. I told him he could get the fuck out too. Never ask me if she can stay. She is a liar, a thief. I cant trust her. I have enough on my plate without having to worry about her being in my home, stealing from me or going through my stuff. I am VERY territorial about my house.
DH's response "You are the one who refuses to get along with her." REALLY???? She stole from me numerous times, she has told lies that caused added drama in this already fucked up situation. I FORGAVE her plenty of times for her to do it all over again. I AM DONE!
No fuckin way am I sharing my home with her. BM kicked her out. She was living with her BF and his family. They kicked her out obviously. She is 18 still in HS with a baby. If the BF's parents kicked her out with a baby, she must have really done something stupid.
I told DH- deal breaker... I will draw up divorce papers. In no way will his kids EVER stay at my house...
So mad....
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I hear ya, sister, I am very
I hear ya, sister, I am very territorial about my house, too. When my SD's husband left her, she could not stay in their apartment as she had no job. Well, not my problem (she ended up back at BM's).
My SD has never stolen from me but I don't trust her and she is a total slob. Plus, I don't like living with other people, plus I did not get my tubes tied to live with somebody else's brats (my SD has 2, which she does not discipline).
If they lived here, I would end up having a psycho-bitch episode that would make BM look like Pollyanna. I am hyperventilating just thinking about it.
DH left....I told him to put
DH left....I told him to put her in a hotel and if he was going to be a dick he could stay there too.
IF (I never would) she stayed here... she would be here till God knows when. This wouldn't be her and baby staying for a night or two. She has NO HOME. And it's not like she has money for an apartment. So um yeah she would be here for longer then a couple of days. Hell no am I going to deal with that.
Of course I feel a little bad that she is in this situation- no home, BM kicked her out and she has a baby BUT not bad enough to put my mental health and my home at risk.
And like my friend said- BM or DH didnt care when MSD was staying at her BF's house getting knocked up. No one cared then. Then she gets knocked up and now DH wants to act like a father.
As well, I have said this about DH before- he parents when its convenient for him. Sorry but just because he wants to be super daddy now and save MSD because she is in trouble, doesn't mean I should let that be an inconvenience to my life. I seriously swear this man only wants to parent when its going to cause me stress.
It's going to be a long night... who knows where he is at and if he is coming home....
I would be feeling the exact
I would be feeling the exact same way...and you are right..she must have really fucked up if more than one person has kicked her out WITH A BABY. There is no reason you should allow her in your home.
What you should do, or, what you should guide your husband in doing, is to find a local shelter that exclusively takes women and children. These places can be ok from what I hear and they may even set her and baby up with a room and help them get into some kind of housing.
Does she take care of her baby well? Is she on drugs? Usually people who steal repeatedly are on drugs...that is why I ask.
I hope you update the situation. I am curious to see how it plays out. Good luck to you and stay strong!!!
When I was young, I was an idiot more than once and my parents didn't let me come back for years and years. She made her bed. The only sad part is the baby.
She does not do drugs that I
She does not do drugs that I am aware of. I have only seen her maybe 4 times since she had the baby (almost a year ago) and she does seem like a good mom. She is still in HS, she is smart, she works part time.
I think her problem is lying and stealing and just being a snotty bitch. She is manipulative.
She steals because she wants what other people have. I dont think it's because of drugs. I mean she stole my freakin underwear... LOL... my jeans... stupid shit like that...
Thank you ladies for your
Thank you ladies for your support. I am still so wound up. I need to go to bed for work tomorrow and my stress level is through the roof. Ugh... I am dreading DH coming home.
I have to ask though WHY do I have to freak out to get my point across? So frustrated. We can't have a normal conversation. I have tried this before. If I had said calmly "No" then DH would have tried to push me or disregarded what I have said. So instead I have to freak out and get myself all worked up and in DH's eyes I am the bitch because I freak out.
I get that, too. "Why do you
I get that, too. "Why do you have to be so mean?" Because it's the only way you hear what I'm saying.
I have become MUCH more mean
I have become MUCH more mean since being in a step situation and I freak out on my husband about once a week... Unfortunately I have no advice for that part. It does suck.
It seems to me that your husband knew, at least a little, what was going on.... which is why he ignored the phone calls and finally called her back in the bathroom. Even if he didn't know he may have had a feeling. And then he was probably EXPECTING you to be mad, which, of course, you were..and then it just went all down hill. There was probably no chance for a normal conversation about the subject so don't beat yourself up over it. I know it sucks sooo much to feel angry and stressed and then eventually guilty for saying mean things or yelling. Maybe you can text your husband goodnight at least..give a chance for a good morning and you can go to bed knowing that you made the first move of reconciliation.
But still don't let her move back in...!
Yes very true...well said....
Yes very true...well said....
I am sorry that this
I am sorry that this situation has occurred and that it is stressing you out. However, I feel obligated to say that most bio parents are not going to allow their young adult child and grandbaby to stay on the street. So if you are taking a hard line about her staying in your home, then I would suggest you help find somewhere for her to go or be ready for your DH to continue to pay for a place for her. If you refuse to allow him to help her, it will cause him to resent you so much it may well be a deal breaker for him too.
I know that on ST everybody likes to say how they won't allow this or that and then the next thing you hear is they are getting divorced.
So to avoid getting into a bunch of drama and one or both of you feeling so disrespected, try to give your DH an out so that he can help his daughter but still respect your boundaries.
This is just my two cents and I really am sorry you are caught in such a bind.
I totally get what you are
I totally get what you are saying and I know I would feel the same way if it was my bio. I told him to get her a hotel. I would have no problem with that. I really don't want to think about the baby being out on the street.
But with DH- if she came here he would allow her to walk all over me.He would feel for her situation. I would have no end in sight of when she would be moving out. There would be a baby in the house.
Sadly DH thinks its ME and MY FAULT for the skid issues. He thinks I need to grow up and get over it. Basically let them walk all over me and take it. That is why I am being such a hard ass over this.
So frustrated... yet again...another skid situation to come between us.....
I agree that the parents
I agree that the parents failure to parent most likely contributed hugely to the SD's issues (although I think some kids come hard wired to be a pain in the ass).
However, I don't think pointing that out to the DH will help the DH want to help his daughter less, he already knows it. In fact, that is probably a huge part of why he wants to help his daughter, because he feels at least partly responsible for her poor choices.
OMG reading this makes me
OMG reading this makes me want to cry- YOU GET IT! LOL. Like yes this is exactly what it is. Someone gets it. (I know as step talkers here we all "get it" but you get it....)
When BM kicked her out he did nothing, said nothing, NOTHING. Yet I am the bad guy. This isn't my kid & he knows I have had issues with her.....he shouldnt even have been surprised by my response of No she can't come here.
So DH comes home... grabs
So DH comes home... grabs some clothes out of the closet.
I say "Where are you going?"
He says "To stay with my daughter."
Me- MSD can't stay in a hotel by herself?
DH- We are staying in a vacant. (He works at an apartment complex)
Me- Um that could get you fired. Just stay in a hotel.
DH- We are staying in the vacant.
Me- So why did MSD get kicked out.
DH- Oh something to do with getting the baby's pictures taken.
Me- Okay DH really- they kicked her out because of that??? Really?? There is more to the story and I'm sure they didnt throw her and baby out on the street at 7 at night when its raining because of photographs!
DH- I know her mom kicked her out, you wont let her come here, the other mother (BF's mom) kicked her out. I explained to her why you dont want her here.
Me- well I think it's stupid for you guys to stay in a vacant.
DH- I know, especially when there is a spare bedroom downstairs. Instead we are going to be sleeping on the floor in a vacant.
Me- okay good luck with that.
And he leaves.......
Not gonna lie... totally okay
Not gonna lie... totally okay with that....
Oh shit...he is resenting you
Oh shit...he is resenting you already. I saw that she is in high school. Can you contact the counselor/social worker at the high school for help? They may be able to refer you to appropriate resources for someone in her situation.
Also....I understand that you don't want to be walked on. And I respect that. However your DH is going into instinctive protective survival mode. He will do everything he can for her.
You can fight about it but it's not likely to have a happy ending for either of you. On the other hand, you have an opportunity to be the hero to your DH and your SD if you could find it in yourself to give her a fixed window of time (even a week if that's all you can stand) to find somewhere to go. You can be very blunt about the fact that it's just to give him time to help her and that's all.
If you can't then at least try to find options for her so DH doesn't feel forced to choose between you.
I really really wish I could.
I really really wish I could. I do. But there is SO MUCH anger and resentment with her and skid situation already. We can't even really stand to be in the same room together. But in all fairness I will say her last visit was "okay".
I can in no way trust her in my home. No way. And I cant go to work every day stressing about what she is doing in my home. I have my job to worry about, my mental health. I have my own health issues going on. I have to worry about me.
She is a mini-wife. I just can't bring myself to share my space with her and go into a control battle with her. I already know how it will go.
You would think she would be grateful and humble concerning her situation but I would say it would be a 50/50 chance that she would be.
I just cant get dragged into her drama and what she brings with her.
The way she has acted and the stuff she has done has caused 60% of the skid problems with DH and I. (the other 3 skids- 40%-between the 3 of them.) She is the reason DH and I broke up for a bit. I just can't risk it again. If he hates me over this well its better then going through hell with MSD again, just to end up with him hating me then too.
And who knows if she was
And who knows if she was truly kicked out. She may have just gotten pissed and decided she was leaving and asked DH if she could stay here...thinking its an option.
I know BM kicked her out with a baby, but knowing she would go back to BF's house. I dont really know BF's parents house but I find it hard to believe that they would just kick her and baby out.
I'm really curious as to why her BF didnt talk to his parents or at least leave with MSD (get a hotel together)? He is cool with her leaving with the baby with no where to go? WTF.
It does seem kind of
It does seem kind of suspicious.
Hmmmm - so she has a history
Hmmmm - so she has a history of stealing.
Perhaps she stole money to get the baby pics done? From the BF's parents. Perhaps she has stolen little bits and bobs over the time she has been there and they lost it over this.
Perhaps she used money she was supposed to pay board with to get the pics done.
Obviously they didn't kick her out for having her baby photographed, and your DH MUST know that.
Ok, so - here's what you do. You need to get to sleep. You need to relax and let your body know that even though you are upset you are safe.
Take a deep breath, push out your belly button and push back your shoulders and breathe deeply. Stop thinking about it and realise that no matter how hurtful and ridiculous that was you are not in danger and it's ok to relax. Nothing needs to be done or thought about in this moment. So, breathe for a while until you are calmer and then find something to do that relaxes you. Take a shower, read a book, whatever - you will be mentally pissed off still but MAKE yourself focus on whatever it is and just allow yourself to let it go.
There will be time enough to think (because lets face it while you are angry and worked up you aren't really thinking clearly anyway) tomorrow, when you have all calmed down.
Just leave him be for now. Ask yourself if there is anything you can do in THIS moment that will change what is happening? No? Then let it go for now, come back to it tomorrow and start brainstorming plans - the girl and the baby cannot come to you, but it's his d and gb so he'll want to see them safe - help with that. Address your feelings to him in a letter - try and keep it calm, you don't ever have to give it to him but get it out on paper (tomorrow!)
Hugs.
Good for you for standing up
Good for you for standing up for yourself and your home! That "story" she told your DH sounds like such BS. She's already lying. Sooo glad she's not going to be in your home. Once she gets in, you know she won't leave since no one else will take her.
Okay I am going to try to go
Okay I am going to try to go to sleep. Thank you ladies so much (((HUGS)))
Stand your ground! I applaud
Stand your ground! I applaud you for sticking to your guns and not letting him guilt you into changing your mind.
That kid is not your responsibility. She isn't even his, any more, given her age. Geez, when I was 17 and pregnant and decided I didn't want to be married, I supported myself AND MY KID with nobody's help. I grew up in a house where we had maids, a chef, gardeners and a personal mechanic FFS, and I managed it. My own Dad would've said "you made your bed, now lie in it", if I dared approach him for help.
n this day and age support is available everywhere - so she needs to learn how to take care of her own shit.
Your idiot hubby is behaving like a true clueless dickwad. He is actually choosing her over YOU, his wife - what a fucking moron!!
I'm happy to hear it's YOUR house, so you can make them leave - never, ever compromise your own happiness - especially if you're getting no support from your spineless hubby.
These kids need to learn how to be independent - why'd she even spread her goddamn legs if she knew she couldn't handle taking care of a child? Did she think her parents would raise it? Oh..wait..yep..looks like Daddy's gonna carry her through this. So, what happens when she falls pregnant again? and again? Will Daddy continue to raise her kids and teach her absolutely nothing??
Fuck these entitled asswipes. If you can't raise your own child, then close your goddamn legs.
I certainly can't blame you
I certainly can't blame you for standing strong about the SD/baby staying in your home. It sounds like SD has worn her welcome in three different homes now. I wouldn't worry about the 'why' she left BF's home. It could be as simple as BF and her fighting and it got mean and nasty . Who knows, BF may have thought she had no where to go and would come to her senses...or she may have really did something that forced the parents to have no choice. Whatever happened doesn't change the fact she's out on the street at least for now.
I can't blame your DH for racing to fetch her and baby. Very few parents would let their young adult (still a teen in school) daughter and their little grandchild stand out on the street corner. I'd not worry he slept over in the vacant with her. Maybe if he works for the building this morning he can help the SD get the apartment for real at a discount (perhaps SD can work out something where she cleans vacant or does groundwork or something for a cut rent). The SD is safe for last night and DH has to find a more realistic situation than crashing over in a vacant. Give him a chance to find an agreeable place (or hell, SD might be going back to BF's after things cool down there). Dad can help SD, f she's really out of there, to file for child support and perhaps some assistance for young single mothers.
While I would continue to stand strong on using your own home, I would also do what I could to let DH know you aren't as heartless as he seems to think you are. Of course you care about the baby being homeless and the mess SD is making out of her life. Simple ways to show you're supportive (without opening your home). Gather up some spare blankets and pillows, a bag of food, maybe a spare this or that...just a handful of things SD will need to be fed and comfortable (or as comfortable as a homeless person can be in her emergency set-up). You don't wish or want any harm to come to either SD/baby and you are concerned about what's going on, but moving in with you just isn't doable. It's not the answer. It would just cause other problems. You can do little things without endangering your own self and home. Look up things like where SD can get single low income daycare for baby while she's in school for example.
Actually having it 'tough' (but safe) might do this young woman a favor by turning the mess she's made of her life and the poor decisions she's made into a 'good' thing. it might wake her up and make her grow-up and realize she has a child to care for now, and it's time she make serious changes in her life. There are gazillion agencies and govt. programs out there to help this girl. running home to Daddy and expecting Daddy to make everything all better isn't a solution. The SD got herself into this and she has to become independent enough to make it right for her child. let her use the agencies/programs , which are their reasons for existing, to give her the hand up she needs to hopefully become a functional adult and good supporting and strong parent her child needs.
Do not let DH take his frustrations on you. You didn't cause this and you can't fix it for his daughter. If he wants to 'resent' somebody/thing, let him put it where it goes...his young daughter who has made mistakes and poor choices. All you can do and should do) is be sure SD/baby are physically ok/safe and point her in the proper directions to find her way up and out of her self created crisis.
this would be my hill to die
this would be my hill to die on, too. although my step sons have ever stolen from me (yet - never been given the chance), if they had, they would not be welcome, either. if my dh left to stay with them, i'd change the locks on the doors. this girl has made poor choices in her life (yes, bad parenting is the blame, but the results are the same), and obviously will continue to do so as long as she is constantly rescued. your dh will always come to her rescue, as mine probably will, and may be the down fall of my marriage yet. I've warned my dh about it and I mean it. it's not like we haven't tried with ss18, he knows the difference between right and wrong, but if he choses wrong, he'll go it without my dh or dh will do it without me. I see YEARS of drama ahead with these mal-adjusted kids. but, it WILL NOT affect me and if that means divorce, so be it. if dh wants to be a stand up parent NOW that it's too late and the only thing he can do is rescue, cue me out! stand your ground lady.
She is a minor. She is your
She is a minor. She is your husband,s responsibility. Unless she is strung out on drugs and unmanageable, in which case she should be turned into the court system and the baby removed from her possession , she still needs the protection of parental guidance and food and shelter. She is the child. You and your husband are supposed to be the adults in this picture. I expect i will get a bunch of flack for my opinion but there are too many throw away children in this world that could have the chance to become better people with the guidance of their parents.
She is actually 18 years old.
She is actually 18 years old.
Zerostepdrama has never said
Zerostepdrama has never said she is against her DH helping MSD or guiding her, but she does not want a thieving, lying, disrespectful, manipulating girl-woman living in her home.
There are alternatives to living on the street, one being, straighten your ass out so that the people you live with don't kick you out (if that's even really what happened).
Thank you hereiam.
Thank you hereiam.
I told DH this morning- I
I told DH this morning- I have no problem with you helping her out...but she can not stay in our home.
We are newly married. 90% of our problems/issues are due to the skids and how DH doesn't set boundaries with them.
For whatever reason- BM kicked her and the baby out. For whatever reason her BF and his parents kicked her out/she left. This is a HUGE red flag. She can not come into my home where there is already a tense relationship between us and there not be issues.
I have my own BS8 to worry about and make sure he is in a good environment. I can not bring the possibilty of stress, drama and chaos into the house.
Since I have been with DH (3 years), MSD has never lived with him. She has never lived in the house we live in. (It's my mortgage, house I bought 2 years ago). So it's not like she is even coming "back home".
My DH has issues setting boundaries with his kids, especially the girls. They flat out ignored me and gave me dirty looks at my OWN wedding and DH said "At least they came." He is so out of touch with what is going on I cant even trust HIM to have her move in and there not be issues. I know 100% he would not have my back 100%.
He has been a lazy parent this whole time. I BEGGED numerous times to work out a solution with the skids before I finally said F it, I am done! THIS is the exact reason why I wanted to work on a solution so that when emergencies like this happen, we can better handle them.
I dont want my marriage to end over this but I dont think I should just roll over and take it either. He KNOWS this is a deal breaker. I have told him 10000 million times that MSD could never come and live with us.
I just find it annoying he didnt care when MSD got pregnant "She is an adult now", he didn't care when BM kicked her out "She is an adult now" but now that she has burned her bridges and her last place to stay, NOW he cares?
Unless I missed it, why isn't
Unless I missed it, why isn't anyone suggesting SD18 give custody of GB to her baby-daddy so SD18 can focus on getting her life back in order? Why is it assumed the SD18 and GB are a package deal? The GB has a BF and he has a family. Maybe it's time one or both of them step in for the baby's sake. I actually know what the answer to this probably is :).
But seriously without the GB in the picture, most of this hand-wringing and fretting goes away. It simply puts the focus where it should be: SD18 needs to grow the eff up. She is using the GB has a pawn to garner sympathy and support for her cause.
I asked DH via text last
I asked DH via text last night- Where is her BF during all this? Why isnt he taking her to a hotel and staying with her and the baby? He just lets her leave the house with his baby and no place to go? (and I seriously doubt that she was no where else to go, no friends house?)
He replies back "He is a player."
So not sure if the issue is with the BF or the parents. But if it's with the BF, I am guessing she left on her own because of issues with him. That is on her. She should just suck it up, stay while she can work out an exit plan (Section 8 housing, help, etc) and then move out.
Player or not, that's who
Player or not, that's who SD18 chose to reproduce with. Good for you for raising the question with DH. I think I'd remind DH of that frequently (Why aren't we allowing or asking BF to do the right thing?) Doesn't mean DH will suddenly agree he shouldn't feel obligated to save SD from her own choices but at least DH will have to acknowledge that he is usurping another man's life and responsibilities (presuming BF is 18). How would DH have liked it if another man had stepped into DHs life a year ago, or five or ten, and started calling the shots for his (DH) minor children?
I agree that if she left
I agree that if she left because of the BF, she needs to suck it up for baby's sake and continue to stay there until she can work something out. She doesn't have to be dating the BF for however long it took her to figure something out.
Maybe you should tell this to your husband..convince him to convince her to go back.