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RockyRoads's picture

I haven't posted rencently as things have been improving. But now travel ball has started and it will be another hurdle.For a quick recap SS ,almost 16, is entitled and disrespectful, but this is caused by bios and grandparents. Last year after the travel ball season SS was told he could stay on the team if him and the bios agreed that he would only pitch. He can't bat after 12 years of playing ball. His travel team has some really good players. He is the worst on the team. Also SS has lost his core group of friends because they don't want to be around him any longer. This was the first weekend and in the first day he did get to pitch for four innings. He did fine at it but the teams fielding was also good.  He did not bat. SO , BM and SS were all mad. They actually couldn't believe the coach was following through on the no batting. Now BM and SO are mad because of all of the time and money going into being on this team. Really idiots. But then I guess SS pleaded  his case to the coach to give him a chance that he indeed did improve. Well you would think after several hundreds of dollars in private batting lessons. He got up to plate and guess what-stuck out , on pitches that could have been hit. He walked over to BM after the game and we were in ear shot and he was crying saying that he won't get to bat again for maybe months.  So now BM decided to add a second batting coach that is an hour from home and through the city.  SS needs to learn these consequences but is continuing to be babied by bios. This boy is becoming a mess. Just wanted to vent. 

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AgedOut's picture

imagine her shock when her little prince doesn't get a major league contract right out of HS.... or if he doesn't get a full ride to a top division college. 

He'll need a case of kleenex from costco for that. 

Dollbabies's picture

was like this. He wanted to have something BIG to brag about. It contributed to the demise of our marriage when he started berating my son for not being perfect on the field. 

Dollbabies's picture

I learned from the years I spent watching my son play baseball:

Some kids just aren't coach able. If they can't take what the coach is telling them do and apply it on the field there's going to be a lot money spent for something that is basically a waste of time.

And probably more to the point - when a kid goes up to bat, knowing the coach is going to bench him if he strikes out, that's an incredible amount of pressure to have to suppress. Batting requires the ability to make split second reactions and you can't do that if your head is full of tension.

Sometimes younger baseball players, like in the 11-13 age range, look really good and the expectation is they will continue on this trajectory. But the truth is a lot of players just don't. They already peaked back when the field was smaller and they just can't keep up. I wonder if this is going on with your stepson.

I actually feel kinda sorry for the kid. It sounds like the parents can't give up on a dream of past glory and that expectation is driving all the special coaching. His desire to please them when he can't - or even if he could - has got to feel like a lot of pressure. 

ESMOD's picture

I think this is important to take into consideration too.. and even if he IS a bit of an entitled brat.. his parents have built him up to BE that over the years.. so he in his mind thinks he is super great. as he has always been told (despite what you see as obvious evidence to the contrary).

It also sounds like they BOTH want him to excel in the sports.. and being upset that they paid so much for so little play time is not at odds with their expectation that their kid will be successful.

But.. some kids are not capable of greatness.. what you see as a "refusal" to do what the coach says.. may be more of an inability to do what they say.. or unable to process the ideas they are being told in the pressure environment.

As kids progress in sports.. some that may have seemed promising early on.. will drop off as competition is harder.. and as their natural ability becomes more obvious.. 

I think the problem here is that how can a step parent (who is already being viewed as a you hate my kid attitude) wake the three of them up to the reality of any of that? you can't.

I am guessing that they will continue on with this current path.. the kid will manage to hang on to particpating on the team.. and parents will place blame on coaching for not playing their kid.

RockyRoads's picture

I know I can't change anything. I know the kid is a spoiled brat  and people are starting to let him know. He has never had consequences from his parents and now he is getting a taste of it along with disappointment. I hate to say that I am torn over what is happening. On one hand it is good to finally see him put in his place but then I am slightly worried because he is going into depression.He does not understand what is happening to him.  Neither bio parent will admit they have created this. 

advice.only2's picture

I’m shocked they are allowing him on the team, usually travel ball only takes the best of the best and at that age range they are looking for the kids with natural talent and who are above average.  Where I live travel sports are super competitive and you have to try out, they don’t care if you have the money, they won’t chose your kid if they are mediocre. 

ESMOD's picture

It sounds like the kid is fairly servicable as a pitcher.. and perhaps they don't have a lot of depth there.  Their organization may not be as competitive too.. and the money might drive keeping the kid on.. or dad/mom have pull with coaching staff.

notarelative's picture

BM and Dad are shocked that what they agreed to is actually happening! So now we know why SS never expects consequences.

New batting coach. No way this should be an addition. One off team batting coach is more than enough. I hope it's on BM's time.

Yesterdays's picture

Is there the possibility of making it to a college on a pitching scholarship? (ie/no batting...)

Anyhow these bio parents seem to be putting a lot of pressure (and money and time) into this kid for all of this baseball stuff. It seems like too much in my opinion although they all don't seem to mind. I would be annoyed by it all but mostly by the entitled way he is treated and the child's attitude he's developed from the coddling. When kids are raised that way unfortunately that creates an entitled child. It's ok to not be the best at a sport. They are pushing the batting thing too far. 

Dollbabies's picture

parents don't understand is that baseball scholarships are NOT a full ride. The scholarships are divided up among schools and then the colleges divide them up among the players.

"The competition for roughly 5,400 scholarships is fierce. Baseball is an equivalency sport, which means that scholarships can be divided up and given to multiple players."

The odds of getting a baseball scholarship are extremely low to start. And seriously? At age 15/16 if the scouts aren't already watching a kid they're just not going to. 

Yesterdays's picture

Seems like a total crapshoot. Makes you wonder why his parents pour so much money I to this venture?

Yes those details.. That is why I asked. I knew one person who made it to the big leagues somehow and then ruined it by end of freshman year.

I knew a couple of people from my competitive  soccer team that got scholarships in Michigan so I figured who knows.

But it seems very unlikely that RR's step son would make it very far. A long stretch 

RockyRoads's picture

SS thinks he will get a scholarship. He says there are really bad players in his school that for them. I have asked SO how much these scholarships are because I know sometimes they  are like $100. There is no return on investment with SS.

Harry's picture

Really good teams to begin new teams what are not good.  Teams whant to play other teams in there clarifications..  a really good team gets nothing out of destroying a bad team. Nothing is learn. They don't get better.  SS unfortunately must understand he's not good,  the team feels bad for him, coach is human most likely has kids.  So they are letting SS pitch.  Also traveling teams need x number of player to make the financial of the team work. 

RockyRoads's picture

The coach has a son on the team, so he has some sympathy.SS pitches fairly well and they need pitchers since you can only let them throw so many times. And I am sure some of it is about the funds. All of it comes into play for sure.

CLove's picture

not having skids in sports when I came along, I cant imagine how frustrating this can be. Well I can try.

I remember Husband saying Feral Forger SD25 was going to go far in life because she had a specialness...ahem.

lala-land's picture

BM and DH (to a lesser extent) had great expectations for their kids and paid out loads of money, effort and time supporting them.  Even though the skids put in minimal effort into anything and normally quit if things got tough or a coach/teacher criticized them, the kids continued to think they were very superior at everything.  This attitude was supported by the bio-parents under the guise of being supportive in spite of the obvious lack of ability. So where are they today....SD34 (future star of the stage and screen according to BM) is a single parent, hasn't worked in 5 years, living in a condo owned by us and living on money from the government and BM.  SS30 (man of science according to DH), Hasn't held a job in 6 years, bailed out of university and technical school, living in BM basement and finally SD29 (sweet girl) spent the last 10 years as a full time student getting her first degree and is heading off to start her next degree.  Lives on her own, Works a part time job, spends her money on vacations, still supported financially by BM.

I've been with DH for 24 years and witnessed this behavior from the bio-parents and the stepkids over decades.  All I can say, is there seems to be a huge disconnect between behaviors and subsequent results by all those involved and there is little that a stepparent can say or do to affect any change to those attitudes.

Rags's picture

"There is no crying in baseball!!!"

ROFL

Diablo

Dirol

The unintended consequences of this broad familially overwhelming coddle fest with this shit bucket of an entitled pawn will be life long for anyone within the splatter zone of the colonic emissions this kid spreads.

This kid is 16yo FF sake.  "Mommmyyyyyyy! The mean coach won't let me bat."  Of course leaving out the "Because I SUCK!" This is not participation trophy baseball. This is a competitive travel league for kids with actual tallent and commitment.  This kid has neither in enough concentration to even be on the team.

Cray 2

And here comes daddy to facilitate the shit storm.

Nea

RockyRoads's picture

SS should not be on this team. He is not nearly good enough. He has all these private practices and doesn't do anything he has been shown. He already knows it all according to him but then cries when he strikes out or isn't allowed to bat. 

Dollbabies's picture

Do you know if his batting coach has a live person pitch to him or is it machine pitch? The two require different things from the batter and a constant diet of machine pitching can actually screw the batter up.

If the second batting coach doesn't make an appreciable difference in the kid's batting average maybe this will be the wake-up call the parents need to stop the insanity. Perhaps? 

RockyRoads's picture

It is the coach pitching.  SS just won't do what he says. Maybe you are right a few lessons at the new place and no improvement might be the eye opener. But with these bios they might just say it always the coaches. My SO constantly tells me that he knows it is SS not listening and not trying but then he just goes right along agreeing with BM and SS instead of holding to what he really believes. 

Dollbabies's picture

that the kid can't do what the coach wants him to do because he truly can't. He has hit the wall in baseball. 

If not, this is the biggest passive aggressive behavior of any kid I've ever heard of. He wants to hit for his team but he can't hit well enough because he's refusing to do what the pitching coach tells him to change? Aaaggghh...

Harry's picture

Use the travel games as party time.  Hotel.. drinks... fun...drinks... then drinks and a ballgame.   It's about there good time. 

RockyRoads's picture

We don't . Most of this travel team has been tofu since the boys were young so we are not part of the click. They are nice enough people but we only are around them if we are all eating together as a team. 

ESMOD's picture

Unfortunately.. they would be asking the same question on a parent group.. why can't YOU understand their POV.

And.. I'm not saying that the right thing to do is coddle a kid necessarily but as parents.. I think they are trying to do what they think the right thing is.

For them.. they probably see his participation in sports as a positive thing for him.  They want him to be happy.  They want him to be involved.  They want him to have an interest in something.  Perhaps they also think that participation in sports will keep him out of the kind of trouble they feel could harm him.. drugs.. pregnancy etc?  It also may be somewhat of a "brag" thing for both of them.. and he doesn't have to BE the best to do that.  And.. teams have different levels of players... so again.. being best or good at every skill doesn't have to be the be all end all result.  Their son may have some delusions of grandeur.. my YSD also did about her cheer.. she was "ok".. and was on HS and a comp team.. but they weren't very good.. neither team.. small school.. small county.. not competitive.. but she took pride in participating.. and perhaps it taught her somethings about teamwork..   They are trying to help him be the best he can be.. the fact that he isn't able to apply everything he learns.. well.. it's complicated.  As a competitive rider.. I can tell you that your coach can tell you over and over how to do something... but when you get in the ring.. it can all fall apart.. very easily.. and it can be a hair difference between the actual instructions and what you do and the result can be very different.. and the stress and pressure of performing.. it is hard.. and not everyone handles this well.. but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be given a chance to try.

I don't agree with parents bankrupting themselves for their kids activities.. but that is a bit of a difference in whether a kid should be allowed to participate if they aren't Alist competent. 

I think the bottom line is that you think he shouldn't be on this team.  Unfortunately.. the team disagrees.. because he is on it.  His parents disagree because they are willling to pay for it.. and the Boy is doing it because he wants to and is being supported by his parents. 

At this point, the ONLY thing you can really do is ensure that the financially this is not impacting YOUR money.. that your household financial goals are not being compromised.  you don't have to attend the games.. you can have your opinion on his relative lack of talent and motivation.. but you know that keeping it to yourself is best.

This is something you need to disengage from.  In the end.. what the heck does it matter whether he gets to play ball or not?  How is this impacting you.. if it is negatively impacting you in some way.. approach THAT.. if it's just annoying.. either ignore.. or get out of the relationship so you don't have a front row seat.

I mean.. you see that life is a teacher... the kid is getting some lessons that your parents can't fix everything for you.. good he is learning them at 16 not 60.

RockyRoads's picture

I guess it upsets me because I have to hear SO complain about it constantly. And the time and money impacts our vacation time and where we can afford to go. 

Dollbabies's picture

the new hitting coach who is an hour away...

Rags's picture

So, is this kid even on his HS team?  HS sports may be the impetus for him learning that his shit does stink and that he will not be tolerated. If mommy and daddy cannot pay to get him playing time, the lessons may be just the right ones.  HS coaches are paid to coach and for results. Club teams are far more often than not coached by volunteers.

Is he poised for the tuff lessons of actual accountability for his performance via professional coaching and actual dedicated team mates?

RockyRoads's picture

He is in 9th grade and was on the 9th grade team. He wanted to be on JV but wasn't good enough for that. He was all upset about that also. But SO told him it was just that they needed a better pitcher on the 9th grade team so that is why they didn't let him play JV. I guess that is what parents do ? So their child doesn't feel discouraged. I don't know I don't have motherly feelings for the child. 

Dollbabies's picture

wonder what it would take for the parents to stop the madness. In how many ways do they have to be told that their kid's skill level just doesn't cut it anymore? If he's not good enough for JV in 9th grade then he's not going to move to Varsity until he's a junior. That's the kiss of death as far as HS sports go. And he may well be riding the bench when he does move up.

 

RockyRoads's picture

I don't think any one wants to admit this.  It is not that the kid shouldn't play. It is just at this point they all need to see it for what it is. They need to stop putting so much time and money and headaches into. I know they won't. I just need to vent.

Rags's picture

Parents like these do their kids no favors. A parent's primary duty is to prepare their children for live not protect them from life.

The odds are overwhelming that this kid will be one of those people who fail, blame others, and invest in a facade that will be little more than a polished turd rather than reality.

I actually feel for this kid. But not enough to wish that he avoids living the consequences of the reality that his parents have doomed him to via their failure.  He needs the lessons of that reality. Even if his parents will in all liklihood never recognize what they have tragically doomed their kid to suffer.

RockyRoads's picture

I think this child could be so much more. He has a 4.3 grade average. He is only mediocre at 3 sports. The parents must parent and pull him out of one of those to do something academically. They can't let him make his own decisions because they didn't raise him correctly to do so. Like I said I am torn because I like to see the turd start to learn lesson , but I also feel bad because he was raised to think he is not a turd. 

Rags's picture

4.3 out of 5.0 I am assuming. It only went to 4.0 in the dark ages when I was a student.

Ah hah! Shmoogle is a wonderful thing. 4.0 unweighted, 5.0 weighted.  Weighting honors or AP classes higher than standard classes.

I get it now. This kid is obviously not stupid. Just dumb regarding their reality.  It probably gets that from it's parents.

Dollbabies's picture

4.0 is still the the to of the scale but schools recognize more advanced classes with enhanced scores. It makes sense - if kids have identical GPAs but one took all advanced classes while others took regular classes it's unfair to not weigh them differently. And so the +.3. 

RockyRoads's picture

I guess I am not up on this whole Gpa thing. He has two advanced classes that I know off and next year he is eligible to take a college credit class Is that good or is that normal now a days

Dollbabies's picture

for local colleges to give seniors a free class each semester. I'm not familiar with juniors being offered them but apparently yours does. The students have to have a 3+ grade point average where I live, so decent grades.

But no matter how it comes down, a 4.3 GPA is quite good, and the possibility of academic scholarships is realistic. But the competition for them is high. 

Rags's picture

Many JCs and CCs offer dual credit programs where a graduating HS Sr. can also graduate with their Associate's Degree at the same time.  A great accelerated path to a Bachelor's for students in districts that offer the programs.  18yo, a HS diploma, an AA/AS degree, and half way to a Bachelor's with little to no additional cost... What a great opportunity.  A diligent young recent HS/JC grad could finish an undergraduate degree by the time they are 20+/- gaining job experience years before their peers have completed a Bachelor's.

Though not without some challenges of maturity or lack of it, in the kid, these dual credit programs can be a huge benefit.

RockyRoads's picture

At least next year SS will be driving. SO wants him to wait another year but BM and SS will have the final say so he will be driving by January. He will be driving himself to these practices and SO won't be getting that time with him while he is trapped in the car.  If SO isn't getting that so called precious time with SS I don't know how he will handle it. The only thing SS will need him for is driving him to the actual games for travel ball. Oh and the funds. 

Rags's picture

If DH wants the kid to wait and BM chooses otherwise, BM can buy the car and pay for the insurance.

RockyRoads's picture

Yes . This is what SO will do .He will pay half of insurance but will no do it until h wanted SS to drive . But I know SO and he cracks.

Dollbabies's picture

the extra coaching sessions will fall by the wayside once he's driven himself...

RockyRoads's picture

I don't SO will be handing out cash to him if isn't driving him and I don't think SS will want to drive that far ..

Rags's picture

Also SS has lost his core group of friends because they don't want to be around him any longer.

This kid has earned what he is experiencing.  Hopefully he is capable of learning from his mistakes and capable of not repeating this consequence by repeating the idiocy. Though the odds of that are not strong.

IMHO, he needs to start hearing the message that he is the cause and there will be no tolerance for tears and anyone tolerating his  crying over the hurt fee fees that he is the cause of. Man up butter cup!

Nea

Survivingstephell's picture

How are DH's retirement accounts?  Is he and both of you planning for retirement?  Is the lack of a pleasant future retirement a part of your frustration with this issue?  It would be with me if that's the case.  

RockyRoads's picture

We will be fine for retirement as long as SO holds true to his words. No buying kids cars or signing for college loans that they won't pay back. He will help his children with some money for college, we have agreed on what he will do,  but says he will not co sign because he would be worried they just wouldn't pay it back because they would know he would just do it. He knows how his kids are towards him and then he still caves. I just hate that we have to take less vacations then I am used to and that they are not how I used to travel due to the fact of how much the sports consume and that money.