What would you consider to be an emotional affair?
DH has a co-worker that I feel he is too close to. He doesn't know how much I know about the extent of their relationship because I have read his texts and am pretty good at figuring things out.
The latest:
DH told me a week ago he is "thinking" about getting a tattoo. Checking his texts yesterday I see he has already made an appointment because he texted this woman to tell her the date and time and invite her to come. He finally emails me today to tell me he has an appointment, no time or location or invitation to come along.
Other clues:
I found a text where he calls her his "work wife" and reprimands her for not kissing him goodbye before she left work. (He MAY have been joking about the kiss, I'm not sure).
She texted him about going out drinking and he told her to send him a photo. She sent a photo of her drink.
He made a big deal about meeting some people to go on a bike ride so he can get back in shape. She later posted to Facebook and tagged DH about how she and he were on a bike ride together.
Does this constitute an emotional affair? I feel it does, but I'm trying not to overreact or get all bitchy crazy.
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Sorry, but I think this
Sorry, but I think this affair may be more than "emotional". Secret meetings, bike rides together, requests for pics? This sounds like it will soon become a full-blown physical affair if it hasn't already. You need to call him out on this behavior & get to the bottom of this - pronto! If I saw these kinds of texts, FB posts, etc., my DH's bags would be packed & the locks changed before he got home tonight!
Oh hell no Elizabeth. Put
Oh hell no Elizabeth. Put the kibosh on this stat. I'm sure there are plenty of MEN that your DH works with that he can be chummy with. Unless this woman is missing a bunch of teeth and has a mullet and weighs 350 pounds, this WILL escalate.
This is beyond disrespectful to you. Especially that they are both being so brazen about it... posting pics on FB etc. I'd kill him
IMHO...If this is not already
IMHO...If this is not already a physical affair, it is well on its way to being one.
They are flirting like people do at the onset of "dating".
How are people so stupid as to leave stuff like that on their phone?
^^^^THIS!!
^^^^THIS!!
I think you should keep quiet
I think you should keep quiet for now and get your ducks in a row (financial paperwork etc) and show up at the tattoo parlor for his appointment }:)
Your DH is already on my
Your DH is already on my shit-list with his sneakiness regarding his daughter. Add this to the mix?? Yeah, I don't think he's EVER getting off that list.
Sorry that this is going on. I would definitely confront him. He will minimize your feelings and make you feel like you are a. over reacting b. too sensitive c. a sneaky person for looking at his phone. He will also make you question what you know or feel.
Do you feel it in your gut? If so, I'd go with that. I've gone against my gut before and it was not good.
THIS^^^ and remember that
THIS^^^
and remember that once you confront him, that he will deny and then go covert. Texts will be deleted, FB interaction will seem to cease, so get some HARD evidence now, I like Sue's idea of possibly trying to get some pictures of them at the tattoo parlor. He handed that to you on a silver platter, you know the day, time and place they will be meeting, use it your advantage!
Annnnnnd you'll need the
Annnnnnd you'll need the consult of several good divorce attorneys in the area. You've put up with his guilty daddy miniwife bullshit forever. And now he wants "wife three" in the picture?
Hell no.
Make sure you get lots of consults so that he can't use any attorneys in the area as it would be a conflict of interest.
I'd go all covert on his ass
I'd go all covert on his ass and follow him to the tattoo shop and then walk in while he is in the chair.
I would fuck that bitch up too, she's got some God damned nerve cozying up to your husband. OMG, I am PISSED and it isn't even happening to ME!
Yep, he may jump up in fear
Yep, he may jump up in fear and spoil the line...
Actually Sue is right!! Send
Actually Sue is right!! Send someone to take pictures and then follow them when they leave the tattoo parlor.
Let their HR department know.
Let their HR department know. Most companies do not approve of co-workers messing around.
^^^^^THIS^^^^^ My DH's
^^^^^THIS^^^^^
My DH's relationship with his "work-wife" didn't end til they got in trouble with HR. If I didn't have a new infant at the time, I would have left his ass. (My biological clock is what kept me in this marriage...grrr....)
I'm so sorry you're going through this. My husband is in a new job and we have another baby on the way, and I'm still mad about the disrespect years later. (I told him early on I wasn't comfortable with their relationship...and I was right it went further than it should have. He liked the attention, but she fell in love with him.)
I hope your DH is man enough to care how this affects you. Mine wasn't...
Yeah, like seriously, I have
Yeah, like seriously, I have read this post 5x and I am getting more and more worked up each time. Why haven't you shown up at his job? I would go up to that bitch and tell her, "If I ever see another inappropriate text from you on my husbands phone you are going to regret even looking at him sideways. I will plaster your face all over the fucking neighborhood as a home wrecker. STAY THE FUCK away from my husband bitch." Then tell him "If you EVER disrespect me in this manner again I will make sure you pay for it for the rest of your days. I will leave you penniless and destitute and then we'll see if this ratchet ho pays any attention to your broke ass."
LJCapp - yeah, she needs to
LJCapp - yeah, she needs to nip this in the bud like NOW.
How she is so calm, is kind of strange to me.
Yep sounds about how I would
Yep sounds about how I would react.
What is DH's FB relationship
What is DH's FB relationship status? Does he say he's married? If not, he may be pursuing her actively, and she may think he's available. Nothing to stop something from starting if it hasn't already.
If she is aware he's married, then the fact that she's not EXTREMELY uncomfortable with this kind of flirtatious conduct from a married colleague suggests she's available for an affair. Again, nothing to stop this from starting if it hasn't already.
The only thing that makes me think she's *maybe* trying to keep him at bay? That she texted him a pic of her drink. She could be feeling harassed by him and not sure how to handle it. Ofc, that's pretty much countered by the bike ride....
I would feel very
I would feel very uncomfortable doing any of those things with my married male co-worker.
Something is going on.
My DH had a co-worker want to
My DH had a co-worker want to get a little to close and I told him that anything that makes ME uncomfortable is not acceptable. I don't care if it is innocent. I am not a crazy super jealous person, however I know how things 'accidently' happen. I know how tramps are as well.
So sorry Elizabeth. It sounds
So sorry Elizabeth.
It sounds like he's having an affair.
Be smart - hire a PI to tail him and get photos - evidence. Also work on an exit plan protect your assets and bank account, hire an attorney.
~BettyRay
>Does this constitute an
>Does this constitute an emotional affair? I feel it does, but I'm trying not to overreact or get all bitchy crazy.<
Emotional affair, actual affair, whatever you want to call it...It doesn't matter. This man is married to you and yet he is behaving like he's still single and available. So even if there is absolutely nothing going and they are just good friends, YOU are his wife and YOU trump good friends.
DW has a very close male friend from work. Yeah, they'll go out for drinks after work sometimes. He'll invite her to his place with some friends for a BBQ. To an outsider it may look like DW and this guy are an item... The big difference here is that DW hides NOTHING from me and whenever she gets an invitation, she calls me right away to invite me along. Now, due to the fact that we have children, most of the time we turn the invitations down. DW puts her priorities on us and our family first.
I would one of two things:
I would one of two things: either show up at the tattoo parlor yourself and act like nothing is going on, your DH will know he's been caught, and the other woman will wonder why you are there.
#2 would be to send someone else, let them take pictures, let them observe how they act together.
I did this before. I had someone check up on a past SO who was on a bowling team with someone I didn't trust and knew was a big flirt. At first he didn't tell me who he was bowling with, then I found out. I sent a friend to the bowling alley he didn't know and she talked to me on the phone and told everything that was going on. Lots of flirting, mostly on her part, but yea my ex SO was involved in it too. That was all I needed to know. Send a woman he won't recognize, women can tell most of the time when they see 2 people and how they react to each other, if anything is going on.
Great idea. This would be a
Great idea. This would be a reality check for you because it's clear from your post that you don't want to believe this and that wish to disbelieve could cause you to opt for inaction. If you send a friend to do this task then you avoid the sheer humiliation and upset should he make any hurtful comments. YOu can receive the phone call then quickly pack up your stuff and sort things out in peace.
Oh, and someone mentioned bank accounts. Move your own assets into sole name now.
I feel terrible for you
I feel terrible for you because this is so obvious. My heart hurts reading it because I know it must be painful for you. My husband knows better than to behave in any of the ways that you listed up there. And I would do the same for him. It's respect. When you are married, engaging in this kind of behavior is disrespectful to your spouse and should not be tolerated. My heart would be broken if any one of these things happened but I'd certainly be making plans for anything at this point. Don't wait for it to 'happen' to you. Take control of it now.
Thank you everyone for your
Thank you everyone for your responses. Maybe I'm so "calm" about this because I'm not somebody who is going to fight for someone to love them. If he loves me and wants to be with me, great. If he doesn't, I'd rather he just go. But it does irk me this making plans with her and conveniently not telling me about them. He'll say it was no big deal, I won't be able to make him understand my point of view. So if he wants to leave, let him. Me confronting him will just slow the inevitable. I don't know, maybe I'm just numb at this point?
Elizabeth, Some men want to
Elizabeth,
Some men want to have their cake and eat it too. Are you ok with remaining married to him while he cheats on you?
Some men don't choose. They just do BOTH...and they do it because they are married to women who will let them.
What if this were happening to one of your daughters? What would you want for her?
I have to say, I have been here for a long time, and I have watched you be a doormat to your DH for many years. I dont know if you can, or even want to, change your way of thinking. But I do think about your two girls, and the role model you are for them. It's a hard world for girls to live in, and they need to know they are valued and that their feelings matter in relationships. I fear they are not really learning that.
Very true. I have seen it and
Very true. I have seen it and lived it myself
Elizabeth, Please do not
Elizabeth,
Please do not just let this man do this to you. Do you really want to live your life this way? Do you want your kids to see this way of life?
Isn't your DH the one who spends YOUR money on his grown adult DD and said he would divorce you if you separated finances?
I rarely advocate divorce, but this man is an adulterer. It is time hun. I think you do not want to confront him because you are scared of what you might find out. I know it is scary, but you can make it on your own.
I've followed your story for
I've followed your story for years. I wonder if your reaction is because you are in an unhappy marriage in the first place? I never got the feeling from you that you were married to your DH because you loved him and wanted to build a life together, but because you wanted to keep your family together. for your children, I could be wrong.
I've always wondered too if your DH was a narcissist? All that you've posted makes me think this and it is often difficult to live with and leave a narcissist.
The thing is, Elizabeth, if
The thing is, Elizabeth, if it truly is "no big deal" then why did he hide it all from you? That right there points to the fact that he KNOWS he is doing SOMETHING inappropriate.
Now I am questioning ALL the time he spends with SD and the money he spends on her. How much is REALLY going to SD? How much is going to his "work wife?"
(((HUGS)))
Just let us know if you need us to come and kick his ass for you.
Why is anyone from work
Why is anyone from work texting him? My DH is the only man that works in his office, and he doesn't get texts from coworkers. His phone isn't paid for by his company, and anything pertinent that they need to call him about can be phoned into his office and left on voicemail.
Your NOT confronting him will
Your NOT confronting him will 'just slow the inevitable'. He will probably continue this path for sometime if he thinks you're not onto him. I saw a counselor once because I was having trouble dealing with a partner that my daughter chose to be with. The counselor after hearing that I stayed with my ex husband for 22 years - the last 10-12 I knew I wanted to leave, but was always trying to figure out how. The counselor said to me 'what do you think you were showing your daughter by staying with an alcoholic and in a bad relationship?'..you showed her it was okay live with an abusive person and remain in a bad relationship'!
Your NOT confronting him will
Your NOT confronting him will 'just slow the inevitable'. He will probably continue this path for sometime if he thinks you're not onto him. I saw a counselor once because I was having trouble dealing with a partner that my daughter chose to be with. The counselor after hearing that I stayed with my ex husband for 22 years - the last 10-12 I knew I wanted to leave, but was always trying to figure out how. The counselor said to me 'what do you think you were showing your daughter by staying with an alcoholic and in a bad relationship?'..you showed her it was okay live with an abusive person and remain in a bad relationship'!
OMG - my partner is soo like
OMG - my partner is soo like that. He is super inappropriate. Hedoesn't have friends so work people are the closest he has.
I will say right now that we met at work. Before i joined the company he had already left his wife with a girl from work. That relationship bombed and 3 years later i fell for his charms.
I had no idea what i was in for. Honestly I can be so naive as I had no idea the work place could be a cess pit of extra marital affairs and gross inappropriateness.
At the start if our relationship he flirted with any half decent looking woman in the office. I am the queen of snooping and caught him at his own game. Twice I left the relationship and had a job lined up elsewhere so i could move on from his BS. But I struggled to keep the break up and we got back together and i stayed in the same workplace.
He's made passes at married women I considered friends, everytime a new person starts in the office I have to secretly check it's not a hot young thing. Now I'm off work for 9 months and I have bouts of doubt and insecurity as to what he is currently up to.
He is a senior executive so gets to travel across Asia a lot. I recently discovered that some blonde him and my boss would always discuss was in acountry he had a conference in. He does not need to attend the conference but he was insisting on it. When I found out the blonde was now working in the office there I told him he was going there if he was taking me and my daughter with him.
he says I talk a lot of shit. BUT when you do shit, what do you expect.
Put your foot down. From experience i know these things can escalate real quick. The women at work always seem more fun because after all they are not calling your husband on his bad behaviour so you end up looking like the boring bad guy.
I've told my partner that he can flirt with these office tarts all he wants, have an affair if he feels like it but one day they will just turn into a boring nagging GF like we've all become...LOL.
I hate men who cheat and i now also hate women who throw themselves at men(married or not) at work. I never took note of it until I started dating a work colleague(He was single at the time so i didn't steal him from anyone just in case you're wondering)
^THIS^ My DH left BM for a
^THIS^
My DH left BM for a coworker. He had many affairs prior to divorce with coworkers. He did love one, but SD was newborn so he didn't want to leave. He was with his coworker gf for 4 years before they broke up and we met online. He had one affair with a coworker while married to me. That will never be tolerated again.
He also does not have friends outside of work.
I think my DH wanted so many babies with me to keep me, but that is now also keeping him in line because I no longer feel I "need" him and will not tolerate as much as I used to.
OP, decide what you will put up with. If you will not tolerate cheating, then confront him and get the ball rolling. He will try to milk it for as much as he can. He wants his cake...
I agree... NEVER! My ExH
I agree... NEVER! My ExH cheated on me, was apparently doing it for 2 years before I started getting anonymous phone calls and letters tipping me off. When I confronted him, he denied, denied, denied.. made me feel like I was a crazy person, implied someone was "out to get him" Meanwhile he was caught on surveillance video having sex with the skank in his truck, in a parking lot where a friend's brother worked security.
Yep, within TWO days, locks changed, attorney hired, shit packed.. DONE! He cried and begged and made excuses, but whatever. I knew I could NEVER live like that.. always wondering where he was, who he was with, if he was lying etc. Nope, NEVER!
My heart hurts for you....I
My heart hurts for you....I too know this sickening feeling of something being wrong. I hope the best for you but I do think you need to have that long uncomfortable conversation. Find out what happened, and what you are willing to work on/fight for. Many people split up due to affairs and many go into counseling and stay the course and many just ignore and suffer in silence. I think you need to spend some time processing it and then just talk to him and figure out what is going on and proceed according to your heart, mind and conscience. xoxo lots of hugs
Elizabeth (((HUGS))) I have
Elizabeth (((HUGS))) I have been here before with BS's dad It sucks.
My cousin got married the weekend after DH and I did. They had been together 7 years prior. They were married for 9 months and she caught him cheating with a co worker. First texts. When she confronted him about the texts, he said it was nothing, that she was married, they worked together, for her to quit being crazy and not trusting him.
The texts stop. But they just started to email each other to communicate. So she confronted him about the emails. Again same stuff as with the texts. Cousin was crazy and didnt trust him.
Then he just moved out. Wouldn't tell her where he was staying. He would come to the house when she was at work. This has been going on for over 10 weeks.
The co worker is now divorced. Where she was previously married.
My cousin has found bank statements, receipts, emails, texts and her husband still denies that he is cheating. It's so freakin obvious. He actually shredded receipts at their house while she was at work. They were grocery receipts. She went to the grocery store, used the store card and asked for the receipts for the past 2 months. Found purchases not only for stuff he doesnt eat or even like but also for women's items.
He finally did tell her he wanted a divorce but still denies he is with the other woman.
He will probably never admit it.
The sad thing is, he is more then fine to leave my cousin just hanging for these past 10 weeks, letting her live in the house, paying the bills all while shacked up with his mistress.
Elizabeth, have someone that
Elizabeth, have someone that DH doesn't know go take a video at the tattoo parlor. I agree with other posters, you need to have evidence that something went down. All of the signs are there, and pointing in the wrong direction, unfortunately.
Regardless, I would be packing my bags (or HIS). What time is the appointment and what are you going to DO? We're all here for you. Be strong and save yourself.
He's not worth it.
~ Moon