Blending & Living Arrangements
Hello everyone. This is my first time posting, and I'm looking for some advice or wisdom on my current relationship.
My partner (33M) and I (29F) have been together for 2 yrs, from the beginning I knew he had 2 kids (now – 5S & 3D) and was ok with it. Due to past trauma from his ex and distance, he wanted to take things slow, this led to us only seeing each other as a couple once a week for the first year and a half of our relationship as he had his kids every weekend, and I would only occasionally hang with him and the kids.
We eventually agreed that he and the kids would move into my home to strengthen our relationship and
spend more time together. I was both excited and nervous since I had lived alone for the past eight years. However, right before we planned to move in his Ex suddenly wanted to change the custody agreement to 50/50, (Something they had discussed but she had previously refused) My partner agreed to the change of custody immediately, meaning we were going to go from seeing each other once a week to suddenly living together full time with his kids 50% of the time. This was overwhelming, but I decided to go ahead with the plan because I wanted to move forward in the relationship. Another factor was that my partner had a vasectomy in his previous relationship, and he had only agreed to a reversal if we were living together, and the relationship was solid. Since the reversal is a process, I wanted to start that sooner rather than later.
It's been 6 months since they moved in, and to be honest, it has been tough. There have been good moments, but the past 3 months have been particularly difficult, constant adjustments, disconnection and frequent fights. I’ve struggled to transition into a stepparent role as easily as I thought I would, but I’ve genuinely been trying my best.
On top of this, his work schedule has changed multiple times to accommodate 50/50 custody, and he now works 1 week from home and then travels the off week. The kids’ routines have also changed, his son started school, and his daughter moved to a daycare closer to the house. My partner seems to expect me to adjust to these changes without issue, but it has been a lot, on top of getting used to the noise, the constant mess and the loss of control over my space.
This past Sunday, after doing the handover, I had my first panic attack. I have been feeling stressed, overwhelmed, and anxious for a while, and this was a breaking point. Although we’ve discussed the issues and have been making small adjustments, they haven’t been enough.
On Tuesday, after much thought I suggested we consider living separately again, at least for a year (due to rental contracts). I felt that being in his home rather than him and the kids being in mine would allow me to adjust at a more natural pace. He immediately refused, saying if he moved out, he would have one foot out the door and struggle to reconnect with me. I understood that moving out would mean he’d have to furnish an entire home again, and I even offered financial help and furniture (as he doesn’t have his own – he moved into my house with his and the kids’ belongings, the kids’ furniture and that’s it), but he still refused to consider it. His reaction hurt, but I agreed to keep trying further adjustments but couldn’t promise they were going to work.
I really love my partner and despite everything, he is a really great guy. Our relationship isn't perfect, but we are working on it together. I just don’t know what else to do at this point and am completely lost.
Does anyone have suggestion on what could help?
My suggestion: don’t allow
My suggestion: don’t allow him to continue to manipulate you because he is comfortable in this situation. The more YOU adjust your wants and needs to make him comfortable, the more he will resist when you ask him to consider your feelings. Boot his ass out, have him adult on his own with his kids, if it really is “love” then he wouldn’t have his “foot out the door.” If that’s how his love works, then girl bye!
100%
This guy is a manipulator and a leech. The panic attack is the body and mind screaming to pay attention to things we are trying hard up to push down - important things, and in the process we betray ourselves. There will be more of those panic attacks and worse if you don't get your mental and physical space back.
This guy has got it good with you - you provided him with accommodation and free nanny-bangmaid services, while he's off away with work as he pleases. Yes, things get difficult in relationships sometimes, but a loving partner wouldn't threaten to be one foot out of the door if you choose to remove your services to his baggage. He's not a great guy - you're a great catch, don't forget it.
My suggestion is to really
My suggestion is to really think about how important it is to you to have your own biological children. I'm guessing he hasn't had the vasectomy reversal yet?
Also, if he is only home 50/50 due to working out of town, and he has his kids 50/50, that either means he is only home while also caring for a 3 and 5-year-old, or that you are spending some of your time as their primary caregiver. Both are no bueno.
ETA i know a lot of us on this site put up with a lot of BS and it's easy to tell someone else to leave their relationship. But if you want kids, time is limited. Put YOU first when it comes to that.
Vasectomy reversal is not
Vasectomy reversal is not always successful. And he could be saying that to keep OP hopeful and hanging on until it's too late.
No suggestions, just empathy
As I read your post, it reminded me of my own journey. We, also, had frequent changes. We went from the 2 of us living in my apartment with my 2 kids, to visitation all weekend with his 3 kids (total 5 kids from 5 to 11 in a small apartment) to renting a house with 5 kids there all summer - all within a 6-month period. Thank heavens I was able to quit work, it was totally overwhelming until I quit and not great afterwatds. And, that was just the first 6 months!
2 years followed where we had his kids every second they werent in school. They weren't bad kids, just very high energy and aggressive. It was quite a difficult period. We decided to marry and buy a house. The next two years were tough, too. Things were at a breaking point when I entered therapy which changed my life. I had sort of checked out from the kids and the chaos but therapy helped me re-engage. Good thing because the 3 kids began to move in full time, one after another.
That first summer in the new house, with all 5 kids there 24/7, with all their friends tripping through, was "eventful" and coincided with DH's job requiring travel Monday thru Thursday. But I was stronger and it worked out ok. As his kids were here all the time, they settled in. I think the back and forth transitions had been tough on them, not to mention the loyalty bind to BM.
I'm 80 now and the "kids" are all in their 50s and 60s. We lived thru it, we made it. My therapist's advice back in the day was to stay close to DH, prioritize one-on-one time with him and it helped get us on the same page about the kids. Before that, he was probably getting "advice" from BM and winging it on his own.
Would I do it again? I'm not sure. It is the achievement of my life that I got myself and all of us through it. The experience of raising our 5 kids and everything we went through made DH and I "deeper thsn dirt". It can work out but it's not easy. I think it depends on how committed you are to your SO. It's no sin to admit to yourself that you dont want to go thru the step experience and move on.
Whatever you decide, Welcome! And good luck.
If he moved out
He would lose 50/50 custody ,and have to pay CS. Have to hire help with his kids. And all child care falls on him.
Oops it looks like your are the hire help.with benefits. For him.and what's going on with the vasectomy reversal , he's waiting until you are too old.
'This is the '''honeymoon '' part of the relationship. It's onky going to get worst.. we understand your problem. You are right. It's his kids, and they are not your problem. He has to take care of them. Not you.
'Step parenting is hard with little reward. You must have the ''talk'' refineing your role . That you have control over your life and home. That his kids are only with you when he's there to parent them. Not you. If He's not there kids are with BM or at a babysitter.
What you will do abd not do. You are not the babysitter.
'that he's going to get the vasectomy ball rolling. It could take years.
Repeat after me, "love is not
Repeat after me, "love is not enough, not ever."
I have the impression that it
I have the impression that it is you making all of the concessions, which is a common problem we steppies see on this forum. Then all the concessions we make are never enough. We end up not getting our needs met as a spouse and 100% of the onus is put on us to make all the adjustments and eat shit. Ask yourself what needs of yours as a spouse are getting met. Probably very few if any. In my case it was none at all. What are you getting out of this relationship? What concessions has your SO made for you?
If you were my DD I would strongly encourage you to run fast and run far. Have you looked into the statistics of vasecetomy reversals? They don't always work. Also, really ask yourself without being blinded by love if you think it's a possibility that your SO is dangling the vasectomy reversal carrot to get you jumping through hoops and doing things his way while sacrificing your needs. Step parenting is thankless to begin with and often these dads (which is why we're here venting) do not even so much as offer any words of appreciation. It's soul destroying. I've been in the game for 30 years and even though my DH made a ton of changes I still regret every single day that I got involved with a man with brats. I NEVER got my needs met as a spouse and I was expected to enable dynamics that only hurt me. It's not worth it. Love is not enough. Run fast and run far.
You have gotten lots of good
You have gotten lots of good advice here.. most of it says.. runnnnnnnn..
Look, you may have been in a relationship chronologically 2 years..but the pace of seeing each other allowed (probably) both of you to keep up the "best me facade" each time you saw each other. His kids weren't a big factor.. and it was easy for him to promise you what you want.. kids of your own. He also was able to divest himself of expense by moving in with you.. yay him.
Now, when there are compromises to be made.. you see he is the kind of person that only wants to make you adjust.. not him.. not his kids.
So.. is he really the man you thought?
And... if you DO stay together.. you realize you will NEVER have your own little bio unit.. those kids are here to stay. that is if he even does have a child with you.. I mean.. he has 2 already.. that may be plenty for him.. he may not want it in his heart.. do you want your child to be there if the father doesn't really want it?
and his kids are YOUNG... you have 15-20 years min where those kids will be living in your home at least part time..
OH>> and his work situation.. being gone half the time.. which means the other half is wrapped up with his kids.. when you want to go away for that weekend together.. how will that work? it likely won't. My DH has worked jobs where he has been gone long stretches.. I am not a fan.
You don't really mention too much about the EX.. but expect any drama to ramp up if you do decide to move on .. have a kid.. get married.
in the end.. you don't have all that much invested.. a couple years.. but if you waste more time.. you are likely to find your self childless taking care of kids for a man and his Ex... with little appreciation.
Welcome to the site!
Firstly, if you have started having panic attacks and had not previously had these before - that is a very strong sign that you are being forced into a situation you aren't comfortable, or even OK with.
Secondly - this bit of your account: "On top of this, his work schedule has changed multiple times to accommodate 50/50 custody, and he now works 1 week from home and then travels the off week" - it appears that you will never have time on your own as a couple - which will be tremendously hard. I know my own relationship couldn't have survived this.
DO NOT BREED WITH THIS GUY!
The red flags in this situation would make a communist party parade look like a capitalist celebration.
He is showing and telling you who he is. Believe him. What and who he is has nothing to do with the love you feel for him. Love is blind. Which is why we cannot be when assessing making a life with someone. In blended family situations, love is not enough.
He is a failed partner, a failed father, and a failed adult. He is not your equity life partner, he is taking advantage of you. Get them all out of your home now.
As for listening, your body and your mind are screaming at you that this is not the right relationship for you. Listen to your body and your mind.
If this shit show is starting with this level of manipulation and tension on his part and with anxiety attacks, etc. on your part it will only get worse. Do not pollute your gene pool with this guy unless you want your own child to be far down the priority ladder for this failed father. failed partner, and failed man You will never be his priority. His X and their children will always trump you and any joint children you have with him. Far more likely than not anyway.
Know that first marriages for both partners fail 40%-50% of the time. Second marriages fail at a rate of 60%-67%. Marriages including SKids fail in the 60-70% range. SKids drive an even higher risk of failure into second marriages. Throw in the stressors of an XW and failed family progeny, and the failure rate of a marriage that is both a first marriage and a second marriage is daunting.
You are young and have no children. You are a catch. Do not undervalue yourself by making this shit show official.
I am a SP with no BKs and have been for more than 30 years. I have the unicorn of SParent and blended family marriage experiences. My bride of approaching 31 years and I met when my SS was 15mos old. We married a few days before his 2nd B-day. We never lived nearer than 1200 miles from the Spermidiot. We met at University where my bride was a single teen mom full time college student working 3 jobs. My DW also had full physical and legal custody. Even with our Unicorn situation the 16+ years we lived under a court order and had to deal with the shallow and polluted end of our son's gene pool was a PITA. As it turned out, SS is an only in our marriage. Though he is the eldest of 4 all out of wedlock by 3 different baby mamas in BioDad's brood. He asked me to adopt him when he was 22. We made that happen.
My bride and I agreed from the beginning that we would be equity life partners and equity parents to any children in our marriage. You likely cannot have that considering your SOs situation.
My SParent/blended family life has been incredible. Even with that, I advise not diving in with this guy. There is very little that indicates any confidence that it will work our well for you.
Welcome by the way. I hope that you find this to be a good place to vent, contribute, and to pick up some useful advice from others who are living the adventure of the blended family dream.
Take care of you. We each owe ourselves to live our best lives. That cannot happen for you in this situation.
IMHO of course.
Deep breaths.
On Tuesday, after much
Trust your instincts, your desire for self-preservation, and your knowledge. You know what is the right thing to do. And please do not pay a grown-ass man with kids to move out. You are still young. Create the life you deserve. Hugs.
"And please do not pay a
"And please do not pay a grown-ass man with kids to move out."
Good Lord, second this!!!
Sorry, but he doesn't sound
Sorry, but he doesn't sound great to me.
What would he do if you were not available to "adjust to these changes without issue"? You could take a job that requires travel.
What would he do if BM is gone and he had full custody? She could pass away unexpectedly or be ill/injured and unable to care for the kids.
As for that vasectomy reversal.. IMO, he held that over your head like a golden trophy to move in together and make his life easier. He may always find an excuse to never have it done (and the reversal is not always successful).
Do NOT pay him anything. He might expect you to pay living expenses after they move out.
Love yourself enough to be happy and eliminate unnecessary stress from your life.
All of the above, and also...
If he won't move out, don't fight about it, just head to your local courthouse and get the eviction ball rolling.
Exactly, Winterglow!
Exactly, Winterglow!
Sounds like this relationship
Sounds like this relationship is only benefiting HIM. Of course he doesn't want to move out - you are helping him with the kids 50/50 now and he is reaping the benefits. Sounds like he would have not wanted 50/50 if it were just HIM. I hope he is paying MORE than half for rent/utilities/groceries, etc.
Think about IF you do have kids... he is only around every other week when his kids are. He is traveling the other weeks. The reality is that you would be a 50/50 parent yourself. That's not a life I would want.
However, I truly do think he is manipulating you with holding the vasectomy over your head. I don't think he has ANY intention of actually doing it. He just got your hopes up when wanting to move in, getting you to agree. Especially since he didn't ask about 50/50.
It’s your house.
So you get to decide who lives in it.
Period. End of sentence.
Him not going to move out
Basically saying screw your. How can you love a man who just want to use you, when he travels and[ doesn't come home. Call the police saying he not home , and there no one to care for his kids. Have social services take the kids out of the home , to BM or a shelter .
Thank you everyone for your
Thank you everyone for your responses, it has been truly eye opening. A lot of the things said here are completely true and I have been a bit closed off to some of those truths.
My partner isn't a bad guy, he is a father trying his best to make everyone happy including me, but also himself, his kids and his BM. Unfortunately something he hasn't realised is that I'm the one thats always last on that list and this is where majority of the issues lie. He is a full on parent to his kids, he gets them up in the morning and he is gone until 5pm that day, his kids are in school, daycare and afternoon school care while he works. All expenses are paid by him, including 50/50 on bills and 100 on groceries. He still pays child support because his BM refuses to work, so despite having 50/50 he is still paying about 15% of his paycheck to child support each fornight. His BM is extremely manipulative and emotionally abusive, she tells my partner on a weekly basis they he is a bad dad and that he never does enough.
I've never stepped in as a babysitter or primary caregiver, I work from home so I'm by myself from the time they leave the house to the time they get back at around 5pm each day, my main support to him at the moment is cooking dinner, cleaning up and making sure the house is clean. The weekends are the same, I'm there to support my partner and not step into those roles, we spend all weekend doing kids activities and eating kids food, to keep them entertained 24/7 but I'm not a free babysitter or a 3rd primary caregiver.
In the case of the reversal, he still hasn't got it done and hasn't made any further progress for specialised doctors appt, he honestly expected to walk in to where he got the vasectomy done and get it reversed at the same price. Instead he has gone to the first doctors appt to get the referral and found out that the out of pocket expense is likely going to be $12 - 16k. From my understanding he was forced to get the vasectomy done by his ex and now doesn't want to get the reversal done and spend all that money if our relationship isn't going to work out essentially.
I'm not sure yet what I'm going to do, my partner and I are in talks about potentially ending things because I just can't do any of it anymore and I haven't got a clue where to go or how to fix things. My partner isn't a bad guy, he is just someone stuck in a rut where he has a lot going on and has expected me to be ok with having a relationship where his kids are priority 80% of the time.
He might not be bad, but his actions hurt you just as much.
Remember, that intent and impact aren't the same thing.
Also - 50/50 on all bills?? It should be 80/20, if it's him and his 3 kids using water, electricity etc. and damaging your nice stuff that you'll need to replace. He's also saving a lot on nanny services. So while he's nice and gentle, he also knows what he's getting from you. Don't sell yourself cheap.
Yeah, it's more like a
Yeah, it's more like a roommate situation now and not a balanced one.
Plus, this guy's whole life will revolve around the skids and his BM for the next 15-20 years. Does not sound fun.
He may not be a bad person to
He may not be a bad person to prioritize his children or that he is reluctant to shell out so much to have his vasectomy reversed.. esp when he already has the obligation of two kids.
However, that may mean that you and he are not compatible partners. You have needs and priorities that are different. He is just in a different place in his life.. and you are too. You want to be in a committed relationship with an attentive partner that wants to procreate with you. He has two children and the associated obligation to ensure their needs are met.. and he comes with financial obligations outside your home.. and he comes with a medical barrier to having children.. and potentially an emotional one. If he did reverse.. you have a child. I wonder how many times he might remind you that "well.. you are the one that wanted to have a child?"
It doesn't make either of you a bad person for wanting things in life that the other can't provide. But, it sounds like the barriers to making this work are high.. and would require you to make the potential sacrifice of never having kids of your own.. (and his kids won't be substitues.. they have a mother already).. In the end.. that alone makes you very uncompatible with him... and he probably needs to be with someone that can appreciate his child centric life.. perhaps a woman with children of her own from a prior relationship would be able to deal differently.
This may seem like a silly
This may seem like a silly question, but how does a blended family ever actually work? How does everyone get there needs met in a situation like this? How should my partner behave during certain periods to make it beneficial for both of us? How should I be acting during the week with the kids ? Just seems like there's never a right answer to any of those questions
I'm not sitting here thinking my situation is the worst cause it isn't, but obviously there are issues within my situation, ones that I'm really struggling to figure out how to fix or maybe if they can even be fixed. A part of me wants to walk away and never look back, but there's also a part of me that wants to see whether things can get better.
Well..... this site exists
Well..... this site exists for a reason.. a lot of times it does NOT work. lol. (sad cry)
But, when it does work.. generally it has a lot to do with the kind of adults involved and the extent of the toxicity they are dealing with "from afar".
In my case.. met my DH as a later 30 yo... had never had a super strong desire for kids..but kind of figured.. right guy.. right time.. I might. Well.. I never got pregnant with my current DH.. so I am the childless SM... kids were 5 and 9 when I met him.. now adults. But I never had my own... and despite having a really good relationship with the younger and a "passable" relationship with the older.. they aren't my own kids.. and at this point.. that ship is sailed and I have had to accept that.
But.. what worked for us is partly my perspective.. I am generally a flexible person.. I didn't have a strong desire to be mom.. so never got into that role.. by my choice and my DH did not push that.. even now.. he knows I don't love hanging out with kids... he sees his grandkis more without me around.
he also had a good perspective.. I thought when we got together that "his kids would always come first"... he immediately corrected me and said.. NO.. YOU will be a priority too.. your needs are going to be met. Yes kids are a primary obligation to a bio parent.. but in a family.. different people have different priority needs.. wants etc.. and my DH has always ensured that mine were recognized.
So, his ability to make sure that he was the one doing things with.. for his kids.. not pushing responsibility to me.. and backing me up with his kids.. all of that was vital.
He had no problem doing things "for us" as a couple.. we took vacations.. with and without the kids.. he parented his kids.. didn't tolerate stupidness.. had reasonable expectations for civility and expectations for them to "work" with us for family projects.
I was able to not get crazy by kid messes.. for the most part.. lol...
Basically as a couple.. we both were committed to making each other's live 100% better.. so when two people are doing that.. they end up in a better place.. he dealt with his EX when she was unpleasant.. it was his ex after all... he also dealt with his kids in their messes...
So,... again.. a lot was my pov as a person.. and the ability to not take things too personally.. but also having a supportive partner who had reasonable and age appropriate expectations for his kids.. both helped tremendously.. now kids are both adults.. launched..
You should never be minding his kids for him while he’s away.
That's the minimum - he needs to find a different job or different custody arrangements. Custody time is for the birth parent to be spending with their children, not for palming them off to someone else.
These kids aren't yours and never will be, despite your love, affection and sense of duty to them.
If/when your relationship beaks down, you'll have no claim to them (and you might not want it anyway), and you'll never make up for the missed career progression/promotions, getting severely behind in professional knowledge, or perhaps building a business of your own, paying into retirement fund (because you're missing out on income minding someone else's kids), and potentially - your body and mind being worn out badly. For what?
As adults, these kids might have a vague memory of you as "a lady dad once dated".
Seems like he had the time and money
To get the vasectomy, But now the reversal...,'''it's a problem'''. Even though this relationship is riding on it. Yes you are forceing him into the reversal like BM '';force'; him into it.
I've never wanted to force
I've never wanted to force him to get the reversal done if it was something he didn't want to do, I knew about the vasectomy a month into us dating and he told me at the time he was going to get it reversed he just hadn't done it yet. We didn't talk about the reversal for another 15 months after the intial conversation because my understanding was it was something he already wanted done, as he expressed wanting more kids. Then suddenly as those conversations came up he wanted to wait until our relationship was solid before getting it done because of what happened with his ex.
If I was to stay with my partner, how do I honour his decision on getting it reversed when he is ready? But also honour myself in the fact that I'm ready for a relationship where marriage and babies are the next step?
"If I was to stay with my
"If I was to stay with my partner, how do I honour his decision on getting it reversed when he is ready? But also honour myself in the fact that I'm ready for a relationship where marriage and babies are the next step?"
TBH, how can you? You are 29. Far from old but you have about 5-6 years before it gets a lot harder to get pregnant.
And he has another 15+ years
And he has another 15+ years where he is still going to be putting his kids first, focussing on them ...