So ungrateful!!
Okay, so I posted last night about how my SD5(turns 6 Friday) did not thank neither her dad or myself for any of the gifts she received yesterday at dinner for her birthday. I would really like some feedback on how to handle this, maybe I'm being unreasonable, but I really just think that it's a matter of her being completely ungrateful. My mother gave me the best advice last night when I talked to her: "The more you give, the more they expect. It doesn't make them appreciate you any more just to get them more"...
She was referring to the fact that DH and I went...overboard...to say the least on Easter, and now we (mostly him, but I totally played in to it too) did for her birthday as well. As far as Easter went, it wasn't our holiday this year, so BM got them Saturday night and they spent Easter with her. I made baskets for them anyway (2 a piece) so that when they came home on Tuesday they would see that the Easter Bunny came here, too and just left their baskets because he knew they would be home then. Meanwhile, while talking about Easter on Tuesday on the way to school, SS7 said "yeah, I liked our last Easter the best" (I assumed he was talking about our baskets, let me put in here it isn't about what he likes the "best" for us, we just want them to be happy; it was just nice to hear that he liked something we did for them instead of always hearing about how amazing they do it at BMs house. Anyway...) I said "Oh yeah, well I'm glad you enjoyed it" He then proceeded to tell me it was because they got cash in their eggs, of course I was confused because, we gave no cash. He corrected me in that he was talking about his Easter at his Nana and Papas house. "Well that wasn't your last Easter" they both look at me blankly. "What about the Easter you had at home?" They both said they didn't remember having an Easter at our house. I ALMOST lost it, but instead replied with "Well what about the two baskets on your beds?" "OH YEAH!"...Good to know I took the extra time when I didn't "have" to to make them these baskets and they don't even remember them 2 days later.
Anyway, we went overboard for her birthday. DH has complete guilty daddy syndrome and we even got into an argument in the store because he said "well I just don't get to see her that much so this is how she knows I love her" *insert over dramatic eye roll and gagging face here* He even wanted to give her a gift "just from him", to which I IMMEDIATELY shot down and told him that if he wanted to start doing that, from now on he can have that ONE gift, and since I'm the one that buys, wraps, and makes sure it's all taken care of, the rest can be just from ME. He didn't like that idea too much. But I digress, for a little girl turning six she got a LOT. She got:
new sheets and comforter for her room (Hello Kitty)
the wall decals to match,
a new volume of the books that she loves to read,
2 DS games,
2 Strawberry Shortcake DVDs,
Monster High pjs (another argument, I refused to get her a doll with these creepy things on them, or anything that she would wear in public. I don't think they're appropriate for a 6 year old, but she loves them.)
Monster High and HK underwear sets,
hair accessories,
HK press on nails,
this STUPID pillow pet that lights up (that we had to order online because they're not sold in stores yet, and she "reaaaaallly wanted one" according to DH)
A HK plush thingy that she had been wanting
3 new outfits
And a new outfit to wear to school on her actual birthday.
Yes, making that list made me gag a little. And honestly, I did play into it more than I knew I should've but I too see DHs side and if we can afford it, then why not. It wasn't like we forwent our mortgage to buy for her. So I was making my transition to the "dark side", until we went out for dinner.
We took them to the hibachi place, were going to go to Chuck E Cheese, DH got selfish (honestly, thank goodness haha) and decided that he wanted sushi and the kids love the show so off we went. We took her presents with us. We had to wait 10 minutes to be seated. The ENTIRE time SD5 is literally hanging on DH. Seriously there was one point where I removed her leg out of his lap. It was a little weird and she was hanging on him like a 14 yr old would her boyfriend. He was eating it up of course. So then we go and sit down and of course she wants to sit by daaaaaaaddy. Okay. Like I care, haha. I sat next to SS7 and we had a very enjoyable dinner/hibachi show. I completely ignored the fact that SD5 was acting a FOOL and DH was smiling ear to ear because of it. I need to insert before this next part that both the kids thanked everyone from our server to the hibachi chef at each and every appropriate time. They both have, and know when to use, manners.
So SD5 finishes her fried ice cream,and we begin to open her presents. She opened and opened and opened and talked about how she had this or that at BMs, told us at least twice about the cupcakes BM is ordering for her birthday for Sunday (since that's when they're celebrating it. Which makes me go hmmm, because "children's birthdays" are BMs on even years, which is why we were out tonight celebrating her birthday that isn't until Friday, BM threw a fit and demanded we do it "by the book", so why did she NEED to have her Thursday night-Friday night if she wasn't doing anything until Sunday anyway? Oh right, because heaven forbid she do US any favors...(*insert double standard*, I totally would've done the same thing had she asked us for the same reason she did for us, to be a bitch. But meh, they're HER precious children!! She always claims she never gets to see them because WE took them away from her...anyway) so she's opening things, and then opens her new sheet set and EXCLAIMS (not even kidding, the entire place knew) that there are THE SAME SHEETS SHE HAS AT MOMMY'S!!! Okay, now I know this is petty of me, and this is the reason that they do these things. We know for a fact that BM has essentially made them afraid to say anything good about our house, they're terrified to say anything. SS7 told me once that he lied to his mom about me (and to DCS) because he "wanted mom to love him more", it's sad. For that reason we never discourage the kids from talking about BM because we want them to feel comfortable in their home and we make a special point to not say anything bad about her because then that makes us no better than she is. After dinner though I told DH I really wanted to try and explain to them that to constantly talk about their mother isn't "okay", I just don't know how without making them feel alienated about it.
So we get home, and I realize as I'm texting my friend, SS5 never ONE time thanked us for anything she got. Not ONE time. She commented on how she liked it, or how she had it at BMs, but she never once said thank you to either one of us. Frankly, it hurt my feelings. When I asked DH if he ever heard a thank you he just shrugged it off and said she must've just forgotten about it. But assured me that she had thought it. Because apparently now DH is not only an idiot, but a mind reader as well...so I'm extremely upset and I call my mom. (Yeah I know...haha) But she told me that it's because we give too much. They put so much emphasis on BM and what she does because they get excited because she doesn't do much anyway, so when she does its a big deal. At home on the other hand, they know they're going to get any and everything they want and need so it's no big deal to them anymore. They've come to expect it and truly aren't grateful. DH has a different opinion and says that can't be the case because they know not all kids get the same "luxuries" because they don't at BMs house. I really don't care about other kids and all that. I care about the kids that I take care of, and love, and well...they are just completely ungrateful and can't even give me a freaking thank you...
I may be stupid, I may be petty, but I really don't care. Hell growing up we thanked my mother for every meal she cooked us, we always commented on how good it was, and thanked her for preparing it. We thanked every one for every card, gift, or just coming to the house for our birthdays, my parents included. To me, it's just a matter on manners. We should've addressed it last night, but it didn't even click with me until after we were home and the skids were in bed, and I think now it's "too late" because she probably doesn't even remember it. Her pillow pet will be here in a couple of days (we didn't realize they weren't sold in stores, and they only had standard shipping available online, I know we're TERRIBLE haha) so I think I'm going to use that as the "learning tool". If she thanks us after opening that, then okay. If she doesn't, I can't be held responsible for mentally squeezing her head until it pops like a grape.
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sorry that you go through
sorry that you go through this, the "hanging all over daddddddyy" is only too familiar to me with SD7.I think the only person who can at least regulate or normalise it would be your SO...but being a guilty dad who doesnt want to "hurt her feelings" and doesnt care that it IS too much or weird when a child is so glued on him, chances are low that he does it.All you can do is to bring it to his attention.Last but least you are his wife so he should be treating you like that, not his child.My SO even sometimes completely denies that his daughter is sticking on him wherever we go....he doesn't see it and rather wants to think I am exaggerating, sigh.She is just a "normal little girl" I have been told so many times.
Hun, I understand what you are going through.
I hope that nobody here will come up with that phrase that she is only young and innocent and doesn't know what she is doing.....I worked with children all my life and most 5/6 year olds know very well how to manipulate the adults in their lifes.Comparing how everything is better at Nannas or mommys place is very clearly a signal to your SO to try even harder and buy even more.Talk and explain that to your SO- he needs to understand that getting her more and more will only increase the bratty behaviour and manipulations.Bet , she does the same at the other places she is going.
Thanks. It's good to hear
Thanks. It's good to hear that I'm not crazy, even though deep down I know I'm not. My DH does agree with the points I make regarding it while we're in the conversation but it will get thrown out the window come SS7s bday or Christmas. Well no, now that I think about it, SS7 didn't get a ton of gifts last year, it's the whole "daddy's girl" thing. And I don't think I'm the only one that struggles with it grossing me out slightly their whole relationship. And you know, I KNOW she knows what she's doing because sometimes she will like, run over while he's sitting next to me and wriggle around on his lap and state right at me. Even my MIL has noticed this and corrected her. DH of course is just all "my sweet baby girl" blah blah blah. Anyway, thank you for letting me know I'm not alone, and for not just bashing my skids manners, haha.
Just get her one gift, that
Just get her one gift, that is enough.
That absolutely was my plan
That absolutely was my plan going in!! We always just got like one "thing" and some clothes growing up. I have got to stop allowing myself to be manipulated by DH and the skids. They will appreciate things so much more if done in moderation. She's 6, she doesn't need a billion things and won't remember them by her actual birthday on Friday anyway. I sound like I'm commenting on someone else's blog...I guess I knew all along what I NEEDED to do, it was just a matter of hearing someone else tell me that it was OK to do that that I needed. Thanks.
At least you recognize it,
At least you recognize it, and can correct it. Kudos to you! A lot of people don't get it (including my DH for many years) and it does not turn out well.
That is an excessive amount
That is an excessive amount of stuff, and that is coming from someone who has been accused of spoiling her own kids.
Why two Easter baskets apiece????? That alone is an issue-you are only creating the expectation that there will be more more more, and bigger and better with every gift. It is NOT a good thing.
I think it is overwhelming for kids to get that much stuff at that age, and it even comes across like your DH is trying to "buy" their affection. It never works, trust me. Your mom gave really good advice.
How about replacing some of the material stuff with experiences, instead?
And I think the kids not saying thank you isn't the only problem. You and your DH also need to work on the problem YOU have with the gift giving.
Maybe she really did just
Maybe she really did just forget. You didn't even notice it until after you got home. If the adults didn't picked up on at the time it occured, why would a 6 year old?
It isn't like the child doesn't have manners, she thanked the chef and wait staff.
You, your husband and BM are on the road of creating kids who want to be with mom just because they love her and with dad and SM because of the load of stuff they can get from them.
Excellent point. I didn't
Excellent point. I didn't notice until we got home because of everything going on, maybe the ADHD 6 year old also didn't. But that coupled with forgetting we even had Easter 2 days before was what made me start to think. I also agree with your point about them wanting to be with BM bc they love her (her being a POS doesn't matter to them) and only wanting to come to us bc they want something and know we will produce. I, along with my DH need to get over this whole "they'll want to be with us more if we give them more" thing. I know that's exactly what it is and irritates me that I've let it get to this point and hadn't said something before. They're not going to "want" us more bc of this, we're just teaching them that it's okay to not appreciate us, well do it all anyway...skids are bad enough without the entitlement factor thrown in. No thank you.
I think you may be instilling
I think you may be instilling adult behaviours in a child. She may be 6 but a week ago she was still 5.
Kids only learn good manners and behaviours from their parental figures. If your entire parenting time is full of satisfying their every whim they will not appreciate you or care about you.
As it was, Easter was 2 weeks ago. THAT was Easter. Christmas for kids is Christmas Eve/Day. Not New Years even if they have to wait that long to get gifts from other relatives/parents. So the Easter baskets were (in their minds) an afterthought or a bonus.
I had to teach my s/sons to be grateful and thankful. For some reason their mother didn't think this was up there with good adult skills and their father/DH was more than slightly p/whipped. Sigh! So Evil Stepmother walked in and suddenly there was the expectation to hold doors open for adults (I would stand outside the store until someone would open the door for me. And it took a while for DH and Co. to get with THAT little game). When they did I would say "Thank you!". Thanking me for gifts/treats. "You know, a thank you would be nice. Good manners gets you a lot further in life. So when someone gives us a gift we say...?"
"Thank you"
"Well done! Now you can keep the *insert name of item*"
Honestly, it took me 2 years of gradual improvement from them before I was happy. And when I would drive YSS to h/school and he would jump from the car without thanking me I told him he had 2 choices "Thanks for the ride." or the next time I drop him a block away (wintertime=snow) or stand outside the car in the parking area full of kids and yell at the top of my voice "I love you *YSSs full name*! Have a great day!" He got the message the next time when I started to get out of the car after him and said "Did you forget...?"
"Oh! Oh! Thanks D!"
Because your Skids are younger you may be able to instil good values and manners now a little quicker than it did for me. You just need to up the ante a little. And stop giving them everything they want. THAT is just rediculous and creating expectations you may one day be not able to fulfil. Then the blame falls on the gifter because you created these monseters. No 6 yr old needs that much stuff. My GD is 5 and she was very happy with a LaLa Loopsy doll, a few books and a lamp and carrycot for her doll.
Its true that the more you
Its true that the more you do, the less they appreciate. Its also true that your dh should have prompted her to say thank you.
BM buys every damn thing SD could ever possibly want. It is nauseating, particularly since she doesn't work and every dime she is spending comes from our household. But SD doesn't appreciate any of it. She'll ask her mother to buy her stuff she doesn't even want just because they're at the store and she expects SOMETHING. In fact, she has in the past asked me to buy her something because "mommy bought it for me". I've been snookered into buying it, only to have her say "I don't like it". Needless to say, I don't buy her anything anymore. But when dh does buy her something she is grateful. She gets pissy when someone gets more than her (i.e., my parents get more for DS1 than for her), but dh has addressed that as well.
On the other hand, her mother doesn't take her anywhere. I mean NOWHERE. Not on vacation, not to the playground, not out for ice cream. So on the one occasion a year that her mother takes her for ice cream we hear about it for a week even though we do all kinds of nice things (zoo, aquarium, ice cream, playground, beach, vacation, etc.).
I will get flamed for this,
I will get flamed for this, but I will say it again. Skid/kids do not pop out of the womb full grown with manners and all. It is a process. It is called “raising”. Why on earth did neither you, or her father, tell the child to say thank you?
I went to a nine year old’s b-day party a while back and she was so excited that she kept forgetting to say thank you. BUT,,,her mom reminded her EVERY time when she opened a gift and forgot to say thank you.
I do think the gift giving was a bit over the top.
As I said, I didn't even
As I said, I didn't even notice until we got home that she hadn't thanked us. So that would be why we didn't force her to bc we also didn't think about it. It was completely our fault that we didn't correct the behavior bc we didn't notice it. I did mention to her this morning that she hadn't thanked either of us and she said "oh well in that case, thank you". So she probably did just forget, and I let it hurt my feelings. Everyone has made parenting mistakes along the way and while I'm surely not perfect, and I let a lot of what they do hurt me more than I should, I have RAISED two mostly okay kids. Yes they have issues bc of our situation but I will not let anyone tell me that the impact that I've had on them is a bad one. Not you, but another commenter jumped on their high horse about raising. Look, I'm not perfect and dont claim to be. I don't have my own children which is yet another reason I find this website so helpful. Bc I really don't know if sometimes I expect too much. Parenting is a constant learning exercise and to immediately judge someone and tell them how bad and "wrong" they're doing it, to me is equivilent to telling a 7 year old learning multiplication they're stupid and doing it wrong. How would that make them feel? No instead if you have knowledge to share with them you do and hope they learn from it. But to me it's ridiculous to get on here and tell everyone how bad they are. Yep, I let myself make a mistake in completely over induldging SD. Absolutely. I see the problem now and won't be doing it again. 2 Easter baskets were given because there was one from us, one from the Easter Bunny. That's how my parents always did it growing up, and so thats how we've always done it with the skids. This used to be a place where we could come to feel safe about our feelings, and our vents. Now we constantly have to defend out actions, and it seems there's more negativity than support. Oh well. Such is life I suppose.
It isnt a reflection of her
It isnt a reflection of her character. It is a reflection of how she has been parented. Manners are learned. If she doesn't say thank you, you say "SD, What do you say?". If she doesnt say please, then before you give her what she is asking for you say, "SD, How do we ask nicely?" or "What's the magic word?" or "Can I have a juice box...(and drag it out to emphasize that something is missing)". Just like if she doesnt put her dishes in the sink and runs off to play after dinner, you call her back down and you say "SD, have you forgotten something?" you can say this to remind her to thank someone. Children must be taught manners over many years and it must be reenforced over many years. Even the sweetest tempered children do not pop out of the womb with manners. Also, being spoiled is not the character flaw of the child, but a parenting flaw. See if you can find some books on the subject on amazon, they have a huge selection of parenting books.
Ah yes, the old "toy arms
Ah yes, the old "toy arms race." For many years, I too engaged in the fruitless pursuit. SD17's "perfect" bio-daddy almost never bought anything for SD. For a long time I tried to outdo him with presents, but it never worked. Anything that I got for SD17 was "expected," and therefore "didn't count." The breaking point for me was the Christmas season when the giant "My-Size" Barbies were the hot toy. DW and I spent hours scouring all of the local stores trying to find one. After weeks of searching, we located one, and it was over $150 (of course, it would cost a lot more in today's dollars). SD17 got the doll on Christmas day, played with it for 10 minutees, then went to her bio-daddy's for the rest of the Christmas break. She never touched the doll again. In fact, she later got "scared" of it, so we had to give it away to charity.
Also, SD17's "perfect" bio-daddy almost never took her anywhere. However, on the rare occassions he did, we heard about it forever. The topper was when he took her to the local small-time amusement park, and she said that it was better than when we took her to Disney World. That pretty much ended me paying for SD17 to accompany us on trips.
Bottom line is this: you can't win, but there are alternatives to fighting. Don't emotionally invest yourself in a kid who is treating you like shit. If you don't care, they can't hurt you. And damn sure don't spend your own money on them. They have two parents, and you aren't either one of them. Let the parents deal with it.
DH and I have joint funds and
DH and I have joint funds and honestly, money isn't the issue. It would bother DH more if he actually had to go out and do the buying and the wrapping. I have, after some much needed advice taken, decided that yes we did over indulge her. I already knew it, sometimes you just need a swift kick in the ass to realize it though! Haha. I also told my DH that I won't be taking any more of my time to ensure their stuff gets done. You're right. They have two parents and while I'm the only one raising them (we have them FT, and DH works a lot, I do too but I have a more flexible schedule) I am not either of their parents and it's time thu step up and do something for their children. Haha.