OT--Really sad and just need to vent
I posted a little while back about an issue I was having with DH and a much younger female co-worker acting inappropriately. It came to blows..I confronted him and of course he denied anything was going on. He denies that her interest in him makes him feel good about himself which I'm pretty sure is not true. He denies that he has an affinity for much younger women but yet his baby mama and the girl he was dating before me were 17 years or more younger than him. His absolute denial of the whole thing when clearly something is going on enough to upset me this way tells me he is hiding something. I really don't know what to think.
The woman clearly knows how upset she makes me but yet shows up to events that I am at with him and wants to hang out with us. She showed up to an event we attended together last weekend and I had a damn litter of kittens and made a scene and she left. I was really upset with my husband because I had warned him to make sure she didn't show up. Supposedly another person who was there invited her to come and my husband didn't know anything about it and I do actually believe that but I was really upset. He actually told me that I need to realize that she has the right to go anywhere she wants just because I don't like her I can't control where she goes. That is F'd up I think for him saying that to me when I clearly am heartbroken about the whole situation.
I guess the only thing I can do is let it play out. I don't think she is going away and he is not willing to choose my feelings over her so I gotta choose whether to leave the situation or try and work it out. DH won't even acknowledge a problem so I don't see how to work it out. I love him but I refuse to always be second to his side action whatever that may be. I don't want to lose 9 years together over this but I am tired of feeling this way.
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Have you read her previous
Have you read her previous blog entry? It sheds some light.
You're welcome
You're welcome
I don't know if it is or not.
I don't know if it is or not.
He is right. He can't control
He is right. He can't control where she goes, where she's invited, etc.
He can control his interaction with her. And if it's making you uncomfortable he needs to shut her down. If he has no interest in doing that then he really doesn't care for you like he should.
(((HUGS)))
It sounds like your dh is
It sounds like your dh is deflecting and gaslighting. You have a right to your feelings. No one can tell you they are not valid. Dh knows he is wrong. He isn't willing to acknowledge it or give up his "new toy" so instead, he minimizes you and your feelings. Convincing you that you are the one with the problem when clearly, it's him.
My advice, and take it as you will, would be to take a hard line with him and bail. I would distance myself emotionally and physically. If he asks why, say you need time to figure out what you want because right now, this "marriage" is not what you signed up for.
jojo - prepare yourself to
jojo - prepare yourself to leave, safe as much money as you can... have a back door open so to speak.
You feel there's something going on between them, prepare prepare and keep quiet....
Maybe DH just likes the attention, maybe something is up.....
DH is right you can not dictate this woman and what she does, but know what you can do... if you are at a function and she starts hanging onto DH, look confused and ask her... hey what are you doing, shouldn't an affair be kept discreet and see how they both react... guaranteed by you acting all cool and calm 2 things can happen...
or she will be offended and run for the hills... then no affair
or she will say something stupid, not thinking, like Oh your wife knows about us... affair..
at this point you will be well prepared to file for divorce
I know that if I had a
I know that if I had a co-workers wife thinking that there was something going on between us and there was not anything going on I would damn sure try and fix it with her and feel absolutely horrible about the whole thing but that is just me. On the other hand if I was guilty of acting inappropriately, I would act shady...act no different like it didn't bother me at all..or get mad and talk shit about the wife. This woman acts like she doesn't have a care in the world and has never even tried to talk to me to straighten it out. Just walks around smuggly.
I was thinking PI too.
I was thinking PI too.
^ Yep! Dude is just asking
^ Yep!
Dude is just asking for trouble the way he handles himself in a work environment.
Agreed. Can you spell
Agreed. Can you spell "Sexual Harassment lawsuit" anyone?
Exactly, Anotherstep. You
Exactly, Anotherstep. You totally hit the nail on the head. This man is walking a very slippery slope both professionally and personally.
I agree with that assessment
I agree with that assessment too, anotherstep2.
I'm sorry, jojo68.
Yeah I am shocked too that
Yeah I am shocked too that the other employees don't say anything either. Clearly she and one of the other girls are treated favorably..to a point of being absolutely unbelieveable. I don't get it at all.
Yep that is the guy..At first
Yep that is the guy..At first I thought it was just an ego boost situation but with his blatant denial of everything (some things I know to be true), I have my doubts now that something more is to it. He defends her and chooses her happiness over mine so I can only assume the worst.
Yeah I hear from my SIL who
Yeah I hear from my SIL who works with them that she is shown favoritism and follows him around and spends all her off duty time with him. She also said that everyone in the office thinks there is something going on.
JoJo, if it looks like a
JoJo, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... Guess what? It's a duck. If coworkers at the office are taking notice I think it's time raise the alarm bell here. I'd be hiring a PI at this point. Has your SIL mentioned if they are taking lunches together? Off campus?
She hasn't ever said but I
She hasn't ever said but I know they take lunches together but I don't know if they are alone or not.
Anotherstep, great minds
Anotherstep, great minds think alike. I've flirted with the idea of becoming a PI. I have a gift for lock picking and camouflage. Perhaps I've just read too many Janet Evanovich novels.
But in all seriousness, JoJo I would consider hiring someone to follow him during. I, personally, would want to know. For no other reason than to get tested for STDs. I know that sounds harsh, but I wouldn't take chances.
Someone gave me advice to
Someone gave me advice to distance myself and I think that is the best solution. Give him the rope he needs to hang himself or reel me back in. After all it really all on him and in his hands.
Yeah...I have thought about
Yeah...I have thought about when/if this woman is out of the picture what about the next one that comes along. The only thing he has going for him is that 9 years is a long time to hardly fight about anything in your relationship and then all of a sudden my whole world is turned upside down in just a few months. I am blindsided by this. I never thought he would do this. Guess that is what you get when you let your guard down.
I am so sorry for how you're
I am so sorry for how you're feeling.
I went through something similar after DH and I first got married. A coworker of his was clearly in love with him, and he loved the attention. She would buy him little gifts all the time, and they had very personal conversations. I wasn't comfortable with it, and while he was because he told me all of this, he refused to alter his relationship with her. I almost divorced him over this. The woman even left her husband for a while, and got an apartment in the same complex DH and I lived in early in our relationship. Coincidence?? It did end up blowing up in their faces when the woman fired someone, and the ex-employee dug up dirt on them and they were questioned about their relationship. DH was pissed. Things calmed down a bit after that, and then thankfully he got a new job.
It has been years since this all happened. I am now at a point where if my DH were to do that again, I'd leave. I feel so much healthier and happier not feeling quite so emotional about our relationship. I love him, but I know I can live without him. We are here by choice. I've said this outright to him, and I want to say it has helped him act better about us. It's just a feeling I have and not really something concrete, but it's still great.
It took years for me to get to this point. My DH's refusal to acknowledge my feelings was the worst. If you can prepare yourself physically and emotionally to leave him, maybe the fact that you would be willing to give up 9 years with him might wake him up. My DH NEVER acknowledged my feelings, so I had to work on myself in order to trust him again. His job change was key too.
If you are not hurting for money, the PI would confirm things for you, but it sounds like it will all come crashing down anyway at some point.
Again, I know how awful this must feel.
Thank you..it is comforting
Thank you..it is comforting to hear from someone who has been there done that. This woman is not a good employee so hopefully she will leave or get fired and then I can start working on my issues but I feel like as long as she is still around, I just can't let my guard down. I acknowledge that I have no self confidence and I'm sure that is a big part of me feeling the way I do. One positive thing that has come out of it...I have lost weight and am really doing great on working on myself..perhaps my insecurities turned into a positive thing.
Thank you so much...this is
Thank you so much...this is almost a mirror image of my problem. My DH has no boundaries and I don't think he thinks anything is wrong with some of the stupid shit he does. The problem here is that she has no boundaries either so that is why I feel so threatened. This is why I have never had a problem until now because any of the other women he works/worked with had boundaries.
I have to admit that I have
I have to admit that I have trust issues, but only because I have been that woman at the office (much younger and dumber me). 9 years is a long time to invest in someone, and especially if married with children. However, its NEVER too late, to start a new life. If you need to know, hire a PI, but I would just assume the worst and start preparing your "exit stage left" strategy.
JoJO - He is not going to change. You have approached him multiple times on multiple things. You have had confirmation of his denied activities being true. There is a relationship there, whether it is physical AND emotional or simply emotional. Either way, he is having an AFFAIR. Prepare yourself. If he was willing to work on things, you might be able to save your marriage, but YOU cannot save the marriage all by yourself. He has to be there with you!!!
So upshot is, be your calm self, prepare for the worst, and whatever your finances, get yourself independent from him TODAY.
Blessings.
I definately do need to get
I definately do need to get my ducks in a row and make plans for the future one way or the other. I think I make enough to live independently from him. I may choose to let him have his space for a while and let him see what life is like without me. If he wants to keep it that way then so be it. He may realize that he doesn't want life without me and pick me over her feelings for a change.
Can you go stay somewhere for
Can you go stay somewhere for a week or so? I know that is not always easy or affordable.
How painful for you. I am so sorry.
I am no expert, but I have learned a few things along the way, and it is always easier to preach it than practice it. It seems you are fairly certain something is going on and this is more than just insecurity. So... my opinion:
Your husband will be more affected by silence and your absence than he will your tears or repeated attempts at getting him to fess up. I am THE WORST at knowing when to zip it and walk, but I can tell you I think that is the first thing you should do. Calmly and quickly.
Once you are out... go no contact. At first set a 48 hour goal, then one week... and so on. Let him experience this. He will either continue to chase the little 20 something at his work (in which case, he really ISN'T worth it) or he will realize that it is one thing to be attracted to someone and/or flattered by them, but it is another to throw away a long term relationship for it.
You should have your answer soon enough, hang in there.
I get the feeling that you
I get the feeling that you are assuming that he has relayed your feelings to this girl? That he told her not to come to event? That he has told her that she needs to step back because you are uncomfortable. However, I also get the feeling that he has done NONE of those things and then is putting the blame on her "Oh I can't control where she goes" "Oh I can't control how she acts"
I really think you are being played, and that makes me sick. My exh was messing around for at least 2 years before I finally caught him. And during that time I gave him AMPLE opportunities to come clean, but nope, he would rather look me in the eye and lie to my face, than admit he was a nasty bucket of chum. I don't get this with men?? If you don't want to be married and want to sleep with other women, then why not just say so? Why the charade, why the sneaking around, why would you want to live like that???
He is at the least having an
He is at the least having an EMOTIONAL affair. This way he can have everything - and give up nothing.
Oh yes I am sure he hasn't
Oh yes I am sure he hasn't told her anything...I'm pretty sure she knows now because everyone else knows after what happened this weekend. He doesn't blame her at all he defends her at all costs.
I've actually seen some of
I've actually seen some of the texts...nothing really incriminating other than the quantity and flirty things like
her:awwww you would do that for me...him:sure I would do anything for you
she went on vacation and this is what I saw
him: I can't believe your going to leave me for a week
her: I'll be back soon enough--you'll be ok without me
him: I might need you to send me a picture so I don't forget what you look like
her: lol
That is totally
That is totally inappropriate, I would be absolutely LIVID if I found that on DH's phone.
Very true...but I have seen
Very true...but I have seen texts lately of her being very pushy about him going to lunch with her and him declining almost to the point of her getting angry with him about it so she is definately not innocent in this that is why she is a problem.
That text is very
That text is very incriminating. Was she by chance going somewhere warm where a picture could have been her in a bikini?
You need to see your
You need to see your gynecologist and get tested for STD's. If you are still sleeping with him, starting using condoms. He may not like it, but your health is at stake. Even if he is not physically cheating, he is giving you every reason to think he is and you need to act accordingly.
You mentioned a lack of self esteem - have you considered some individual therapy for yourself? Maybe a counselor could help you see things more clearly and help you with your confidence level.
^Yes to using condoms. My
^Yes to using condoms. My sisters exH cheated on her and she was aware of it. She stayed with him, tried to make the marriage work but insisted he use a condom when they had sex. Her exH ended up getting Chlamydia and blamed it on her. To be sure she went to the doctor and her test came back negative.
So yes, if you suspect your DH of cheating please protect yourself!