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Here's my story...sorry it's so long! I'm going to break it up into sections & add more as I go because it's just so overwhelming! Please leave comments because I'm really interested in hearing what other people in similar situations have to say about all of this. I've been reading stuff on this site for over a month now & it's been eye-opening. FINALLY other people that understand!
I've been with my husband for just over 3 years now, married for a little over a year. He has an 8-yr-old daughter & an 11-yr-old former stepdaughter (FSD). When he met BM, FSD was a baby & so he thought of this child as his own, even though her father wanted to be an active part of her life. (BM fought like crazy to keep FSD's BF out of the picture, but he fought back, would not give up & is still actively part of her life.) Less than 2 years after his daughter was born, they divorced. (BM, then around 23-yrs-old, was more concerned about going out to party than taking care of her kids.) At first, my husband had his daughter full-time, while BM had FSD full-time, but somehow over time it changed to them rotating every other week with both kids. I'm sure BM used her tired "keeping the girls together" line, which really translates to "I need every other week to party with high school kids.".
When I started dating my husband, almost 4 years after his divorce, I quickly became aware of BM using him as a baby-sitter. She always had a concert to go to, a party to throw or go to, a trip to go on, a date, etc. It seems that she mistook teenagers for drinking buddies rather than possible baby-sitters for her kids. And after we moved in together 6 month later, things got increasingly worse. She was constantly changing around the schedule (always working it so that she got an extra weekend without the kids) and asking us for favors. For about a year, I put up with it. Then after she managed to weasel us into having the kids 4 out of 5 weekends one month (see one of my other posts about this), that was the final straw. We began saying no when she needed a baby-sitter. For another year, we still switched weeks around so she could go on multiple vacations. (In less than a year, she went on a cross-country road trip, Germany, Tennessee, New Orleans, Maine, and London. None of these trips overlapped, and each lasted at least a week.) And after bending over backwards to allow her to go on these trips, she still treated us like garbage. This is when the shit hit the fan.
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Part 2
About a year ago, after being apart from her daughter for 3 weeks, BM came back from her Tennessee trip visiting family while FSD was visiting her father, BM's prime concern was us picking up FSD (& keeping SD several more days) because she had a date! Never mind that SD was dying to see her mother after being apart so long. No, that didn't matter. BM had a date. After listening to my husband argue with her on the phone about this & getting no where, I called her. This was my first time confronting her on something & I immediately understood why my husband gave up so easily with her. For a half hour straight, she did nothing but talk in circles, repeat the same phrases & try to turn everything I said against me. I went off on her, but every word out of my mouth was the truth. She wouldn't hear it.
Her excuse for putting the kids last: "I'm going to college." (She must have repeated that line at least half a dozen times.) She even admitted that she put herself in front of the kids because if she's happy, the kids are happy! Any time I raised a concern about her judgment (letting a college guy baby-sit FSD alone in his dorm room, dragging the kids all over the college campus while they had chicken pox, etc.), she would accuse me of judging her "lifestyle" (she was experimenting with being bi-sexual at the time, which neither my husband or I have a problem with). I made it loud & clear that her lifestyle had NOTHING to do with any of this. She went on to accuse me of this several more times. It quickly became obvious that she repeated certain things because it was easier to pretend I had a problem with her being bi than to admit that maybe she did do some stupid things. She also brought up out of the blue some things that had nothing to do with what we were talking about, almost like these things were gnawing at her. Sarcastically saying what a "great team" my husband & I were, how "great" it is that I'm so close to my family, how "great" it is that my dad's a cop, etc. She also mentioned an incident that had taken place that past Halloween. After not letting us have the kids because she considers Halloween to be her holiday with them, she left them with a baby-sitter & went to an underage drinking party. (We would have loved to have had the kids, but she wouldn't let us because "they had plans".) Well, my dad was one of the cops that broke up the party & when he saw BM there, he waved to her & said hello just to piss her off. It obviously worked because she mentioned this incident out of nowhere. "I know you think all I do is go to drinking parties." :D:-D:lol:
There was quite a bit more to that half hour conversation, but this entry is already so long that I'm going to shorten it. It ended with her still not budging on changing her plans. HOWEVER, the next day, she left a message on our voicemail saying that her date canceled on her & that she would pick up the kids as originally planned.
oh yes
I learned from that phone call not to bother talking with this woman. It's a waste of energy better used elsewhere. We had another blow-up through email over the summer, but it was very brief & I immediately blocked her email. I went for 3 or 4 months without ANY contact with her. But she kept calling us & being annoying. Then I did some research & read how some people on here handle this. I started answering the phone when she called, being polite & pleasant. She hung up on me TWICE in 2-day period. I was proud! After the 2nd time she hung up on me, she immediately called our voicemail box directly & left a nasty message. So I called her (getting her voicemail, of course) & left her a message telling her that she could call us as many times as she wanted, but that we would not be answering phone calls from her until we had SD again. I gave her my parents' phone # in case there was an emergency because they would know how to reach us. I wasn't a jerk, I was just straight-forward & meant business. She left us alone the rest of the week. Plus, she's only called twice since then & both were for legitimate reasons AND when we had SD. (The big issue was that she was constantly calling the minute she had the kids. More than likely just trying to ruin our weekend alone.)
My husband went to mediation with her almost a month ago (useless), and we're dealing with FSD issues, which I'll get more into later. But we're definitely trying to iron out a schedule with her. She's just being extremely difficult. We've gotten to the point where we stick to our weeks (no more switching for her) & we don't watch the kids for her. She was not at all happy & there was a lot of backlash over that, but we survived.
We've considered going for custody (my husband's family wanted that from the beginning), but my husband wants to try to work things out because he doesn't necessarily think taking his daughter away from her mother AND half-sister is what's best for her. Personally, I think we should fight for his daughter & FSD's BF should fight for her, but that's my opinion. It would really split up the kids, but I think we could make it less traumatic than it has to be. We'll see, I guess.
Oh, and PS....BM has been threatening lately to go for full custody of SD now that she has FSD full-time! Don't think that's going to happen with all of our documentation!
Part 3
A victory? Of course not. The last year has been an absolute hell. For months after that phone call, FSD looked at me weird & wouldn't talk to me very much. I could just tell that BM said stuff to her about our conversation. (Prior to FSD going to her dad's, she & I were getting along better than ever.) BM refused to let SD visit my husband's family over the summer, saying it was her family's turn. We thought that was fair, except that the so-called plans fell through & SD got stuck in daycare all summer long. BM shoots down any and all ideas we have that might make everyone's life easier. BM began calling more & more frequently, sometimes putting the kids up to calling for her. (But don't put the kids in the middle!)
FSD took on the attitude that anything we said didn't matter, treated us as badly as her mother did, constantly chewed out her sister for no reason, barely spoke to me anymore, became very withdrawn from family-life with us, and talked about her mom NON-STOP! And even though we were constantly at odds with BM, we did our best to hide it from the kids. Something BM was obviously not doing. This past fall was so stressful. I spent more time than I want to admit laying in bed crying, while my husband would tell the kids that I wasn't feeling well. I felt like opening the door & telling them that their mom was a loser & needed to get a life & leave us alone. One particular day, after listening to FSD talk about mommy until I wanted to puke, I went for a 3 hour drive. Screw the price of gas! I had to get away. And if you're wondering why we didn't just tell her to stop mentioning BM so much...we did. My husband had a talk with FSD about it & she thought that as long as she caught herself doing it & pointed it out, it was still ok. (Logic from her mom, I'm sure.)
Week after week, I dreaded picking up the kids. There was sure to be something said that I would get annoyed over or concerned about. Plus, I haven't even mentioned the clothing issue, which was huge problem from the beginning. (I'll do a Part 4 with this later because I'm short on time now!) After one particularly horrible week in November, BM sent my husband an email saying how FSD was feeling "left out" when she's with us. I almost lost it. Is she kidding?! I can guarantee that FSD's sudden change in behavior towards us is because of BM telling her things that aren't even true. We did everything we could over the past year to try to include FSD, but she kept pulling away. We never treated her any differently from my husband's bio-daughter. The email then went on about several other issues, which I'll go into later. Besides both of us being stunned, we then became angry at BM for being such an ungrateful bitch. My immediate reaction was that FSD had to stop coming to live with us every other week. If she doesn't seem to want to be with us anyway, what's the point? BM is just getting free baby-sitting. And as if that's not enough, BM thinks my husband should be supporting FSD also? Is she out of her mind?!
I'll go more into this later. There's PLENTY more to be told!!!!
Supporting FSD also???
I think flames would have shot out of the top of my head when I heard that if I were you. Is her real dad supporting her? You said he fought to be in her life. If he's no longer in her life, your H might consider adopting FSD then going for full custody of both of them. If he can't adopt her because of her real dad, I wouldn't give that greedy whore BM one red cent. Free babysitting service as far as I'm concerned is enough support for a kid he has no claim over and is clearly being manipulated by her mother. He has no way of reigning that in legally.
This BM sounds like a whackjob idiot who shouldn't be raising kids at this time and the kids shouldn't have to wait around for her to get a clue. I mean dragging them around a college campus with chickenpox. wtf?!?!
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Thanks, stepmasochist, for your reply. It got a good laugh out of me, as well as my husband when I shared certain parts of it with him!
Here's the deal with the FSD...her father lives several states away. He fought BM in court over her moving here & lost. So he now sees her 2 weeks for Christmas & most of summer vacation. He pays BM child support every month AND on top of that provides a new wardrobe for FSD twice a year. He calls FSD almost daily to check in with her. I've just recently started emailing him to fill him in on ALL the things he does not know. The guy is really trying to do the best for his daughter, while BM badmouths him every step of the way, including to FSD. You can see in the way FSD talks to him on the phone that her opinion of him has been tarnished. It's really awful. I've actually scolded her before for being so rude to him on the phone, reminding her of how nice it is that he takes the time almost every day to call her. How many people would do this?
So the catch is that we had (up until recently) FSD as much as BM did. Sometimes more, back when she was always switching the schedule on us. Did she give us any of that child support? Nope. For 6 years, my husband fed & clothed FSD. (Because BM did not supply clothes for her either. She got clothes from FSD's father, but they never came over here.) Plus, my husband went to parent-teacher conferences, open houses, school plays & concerts, etc. just like he was her father. BM didn't even show up to some of these things. (How do you think that made FSD feel? It was heart-breaking last spring to see her constantly looking at the door to see if her mom was going to show up to her Art Show at school. But Mommy was a no-show.) And the kicker is that just recently, BM has been on my husband's case about doing stuff for SD that he's not doing for FSD (such as buying clothes or items for school, as we did in the past). For 6 years he did this & got NOTHING from BM. No money, not even a lousy thank you. So after the way BM has been treating us this year, we decided it was time to stop buying all this stuff (except food, obviously!). And now she's pissed. It's not like this should be a surprise to her, either. When she & I had our phone conversation a year ago, I mentioned all the things we buy for FSD. BM was appalled that I mentioned it. "It shouldn't be about money." Yeah, easy for her to say! She gets several hundred dollars a month in child support & spends it on herself. So a few days later, she left us a note in our mailbox with $100 bill in it, stating that it should cover all that we've supplied for FSD. I laughed so hard when I read that. Yeah, $100 to cover 6 years worth of food, clothing & school-related stuff. Not to mention the countless times she stuck us with buying presents when FSD had a b-day party to go to. Yeah, $100 goes really far!
Thank you for the wtf?!?! about the chickenpox incident. I'm so not making that up, either. My brother also goes to this college & he saw BM literally dragging FSD down snow-covered sidewalks all over campus. (This was December 2007 & we live in Vermont! It was COLD!) When she saw my brother, she pretended to see a friend & waved to them, dragging FSD in the opposite direction. Then later, my brother was walking down a hallway & saw FSD sitting on the cold, dirty floor outside of a classroom while BM was inside taking an exam. He said she looked like she was ready to die because she felt so terrible. Not to mention that this kid was only 10 at the time & is really nervous & uneasy around people she doesn't know. To leave her alone in a college hallway like that must have been like torture for her. Add that she was covered in chickenpox & feeling sick...it makes my blood boil!
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Your story is somewhat familiar, Ex wife is a bi-polar prescription drug abuser and has made my daughters life miserable and on occasion continues to do so. My new wife and I went threw hell trying to get custody two years ago. My daughter was into self abuse due to the treatment her mom put her threw on a daily basis. The Ex did most of the things you describe above ...switching weekends, partying leaving the child at home with no supervision etc. This is the best advice I can give you ....A. Stick to your guns ,if its your weekend its your weekend if she doesn't comply document,document,document. If things get real bad and you decide to try for custody the lawyers will tell you the only way it can be done is with a Psych eval. Don't buy this ,Ours cost us over $5000.00 and wasn't worth the paper it was printed on...and by the way they said the ex was crazy ..but I guess not crazy enough. If I had to do it again I would have spent the money on a private investigator and got some real dirt on her before I went back to court. Mediation is BS and you must press for court. Although your FSD and SD will eventually figure out mommy's a jerk they will never let that be known, although over time they will eventually treat you like a human being and appreciate what you have done as long as you stay steady and consistent
mygold comments...
Thank you for the advice! We're definitely sticking to our guns on the schedule. I think BM finally gets it that we're not switching things around for her anymore because she hasn't asked in a long time. The bad thing is that at first she would just take the kids with her rather than not going. God forbid if she missed something! But amazingly, out of nowhere, BM's mother & stepfather decided to move here last fall. How many middle-aged people just pack up their life & move several states away where the weather is way colder? Either they were running from something (both have been in jail) or BM was ready to give up the kids & they came to offer support so that wouldn't happen. So now they play baby-sitter all the time and BM can still have her social life. It drives me crazy that so many people enable her.
We've been documenting as much as we can for a while now. It's scary to go back & look at some of the stuff. I could not see the court favoring her with all the stuff we have on her! I really appreciate the custody info; it's really good to know this stuff. Mediation was pretty much useless, but it was in their divorce agreement that if they had future problems, they had to try mediation before going back to court. So I told my husband that they would NOT have a second session if BM requests it; they should just go to court. Mediation was a waste of time & money. BM was still difficult, didn't agree to much of anything, "answered" important questions extremely vaguely, etc.
I know that FSD11 sees her mother's flaws; she used to actually make comments about them to us. (We of course, didn't say anything nasty back, we would just sympathize with her.) But I think now she feels like she has to defend her mom (probably because BM tells her that I attack her & her choices) & I think she makes up a lot of stories to make her mom look like a good mom. SD8, on the other hand, has no problem telling it like it is! In one breath, she's bragging about the "awesome" meal that mommy made the other day, the next, she's admitting that it was gross. It's so bizarre (& sometimes amusing!). SD8 & I get along great. She certainly seems to like that I'm her stepmom. She's very well adapted to the eow schedule & seems very content with the situation. Since she doesn't remember her parents being together, I think it's easier on her than it is on FSD11. And without FSD11 here, things are WAY less stressful. SD8 is able to talk & tell stories without being interrupted or ridiculed. She's a cool kid, but it was hard to see that before because it was being suppressed by FSD11. I'm not saying we don't ever butt heads, because we do at times. SD8 is very stubborn & gets mad when she doesn't immediately get her way (kind of like her mother). But she's getting a lot better & I'm getting a lot better at dealing with it. So SD8 isn't the problem here.
Psycho!
Sounds like a psycho!! I won't recommend getting primary custody of step kids to anyone..We have sole custody with no BM in the picture and no CS for the brat either..I have Step Brat under my roof 24/7/365 with out so much as a weekend break from her ever in the past 9 years. I wouldn't "wish" full time or primary custody for any step mom! LOL..
Perhaps you should report her party behavior to the courts or to Child protective services. With your husband being law enforcement and your FIL also (and a personal witness to her attending underage drinking parties) I am sure that the courts would pay attention to the allegations.
My take on Former Step Kids...They are former step kids...No Dh's kids. It's nice that DH is still active and caring about his former step kid. However, it's not his obligation or responsibility to "provide" for that kid and he shouldn't be expected to!
In a perfect world their would be retroactive abortion capabilities. ~ disgusted
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I feel for you on the primary custody issue. I guess part of me wonders if it would be easier having primary custody of SD8 because then she would stay the way she is once she's out of "mommy mode" (the God-awful way she acts when she first comes here & sometimes just before she goes back to her mom's). But I don't think this is an issue for us right now anyway.
Once BM got wind that we were keeping tabs on her, she got better at hiding things like partying. We do know (from mutual friends) that she was hitting the bars fairly regularly & either driving drunk or being a passenger in a car with a drunk driver. Since she feels the need to tell the kids EVERYTHING (except the truth if it's something she's trying to hide from them), rather than not telling the kids stuff, she has told them not to repeat things to us because "it's none of their business". SD8 actually said that to me several weeks ago. I had to bite my tongue on that one! But it confirmed what I've been telling my husband for the last year...that BM probably was telling FSD11 not to repeat certain things. This is probably why she became so distant & stopping confiding stuff in us. She probably doesn't know what she can talk about & what she can't. It makes sense.
I came very close to calling child services last fall. The kids came here from their mom's wearing clothing that was either dirty or too small (because BM didn't have time to do laundry) & smelled AWFUL! It was more noticeable with FSD11. She sat within 2 feet of me at the table & I felt sick from the smell. My husband casually got out of them the next day that they hadn't bathed since the last time they were with us (so a whole week). This was when FSD11 was still wearing Krocs to school & so her feet were FILTHY. Then the same thing happened the following week at BM's. No showering the entire week. That time we definitely should have called child services. We made a big enough deal about it to the kids, though, that they started to make sure to bathe, even if mommy couldn't remind them to. The thing I can't imagine is that they went to school like that. And no one said anything? I'm sure schools see a lot worse, but I wish they would step in once in a while.
I wanted to clarify something...it's my father that's law enforcement, not my husband or FIL. Plus, I'm around law enforcement all the time (I work in my dad's department & being a cop's daughter, I've known some of these cops for years), so I do have people looking out for us, who know the situation. They know me & know what kind of person I am. I've also been getting to know people at our courthouse, so I'll be able to get advice on some of this stuff from them also.