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Potty Training Issues with SS5 - Something's gotta give!!!

SteppingUp's picture

Yes, you read that right. SS FIVE + potty training issues. Granted, I realize that 5 isn't that crazy old to still have troubles at night time, atleast nothing that would raise a flag for a doctor right?

The problem here is that SS5 does not care about his night time wetness. He has been trained during the day for about 2 years but does occasionally have accidents, especially if we do something very active where he plays hard then has a nap, he will wet himself. He IS, like his father, a VERY, VERY deep sleeper. Here's what we have tried:
- Taking fluids away after dinner (this helps the sheer amount of wet he has, but he still wets) in addition, he is only drinking milk or water for dinner (not sweet sugary drinks)
- Waking him up when we go to bed to take him to the bathroom (we found almost every time he had already peed, in the first 2 hours)
- Waking him up an hour after going to bed (again...had already peed most times)
- Taken away the pull-ups, so he wets himself at night which wakes him up or makes him uncomfortable, or gives him a sense that it's gross (nope, he doesn't care if he is soaked head to foot)
- Set alarms for him (considered the bed-wetting alarm). (He doesn't wake up to alarms, at all. BS2 will wake up in the next room before he does.)
- Bought the cooling pull-ups that turn cold when wet. (no reaction)
- Making him wet himself and his bed at night and making him do his own clean-up and laundry of his clothes and bedding (he doesn't really care, I actually think he enjoys the extra attention he gets by us having to direct him how to do it all, and yes, he needs direction still)

So our initial thought is that we think he's just a really, really deep sleeper, and his whole entire body must relax the MOMENT he falls asleep, which releases his bladder. Of course we make him go potty before bed, so there SHOULDN'T be much in there, but apparently there's enough to get him a little wet. Once he has released it once, well I'm sure there's no thought process to stay any further dry in his coma-like sleep, so any other time during the night he needs to purge, there is no desire NOT to even if there was a thought process going on - he's already wet, why would he stop himself from peeing?

The issue we have also dealt with here is that SS5 would sit in a wet pull-up ALL DAY LONG!! He has no desire to get it off in the morning, we ALWAYS, EVERY DAY, 100% of the time have to tell him to take it off, he never ever initiates it. Then we make him wipe himself down too, so he doesn't stink like pee, and he puts in minimal effort there. Then we're back at having to direct him constantly and/or doing it for him, which again is extra attention that he desires. I also would like to add here that BM puts forth NO effort with any of this. He has diaper rash almost constantly from being in the wet pull-up all night and God knows how long at BM's house on the weekends?

So here we are, every time we run out of pull-ups we try again to go for some nights of not wearing it and trying all the above things again, hoping maybe now it will click. He HAS had SOME dry nights, I can count on one hand. But I can't figure out a correlation on those nights to WHY.

Last night, I tell the skids to go potty and get their jammies on and brush their teeth. Awhile later, they come back to the living room, and are waiting for DH to go with them to their room to read a book for bed. SD7 suddenly says, "Gross Brother! You STINK like PEE! Did you PEE IN YOUR PULL UP!?" DH says he better not have, he just put it on! Yup....totally warm and freshly wet. DH was PISSED. Then he got more pissed because SD7 says "He does that all the time at mommy's and grandma's" (BM's mom, where they spend most their weekends on BM's time). So he ripped off SS5's pants and ripped off the pull up and made him wipe himself and told him to go to bed. We took off his sheets and blankets and made him sleep on the plastic sheet alone with a smaller blanket we can easily throw in the wash. DH said "No more pull ups. He's obviously just using the pull up as a crutch and has no concern over even TRYING to not go in it." True.

Now what?

Although it is true that there is some other issues here with SS5 absolutely not CARING about being potty trained, I do also feel like the night time part is something he can't help. However, then DH brought up a good point -- what if SS5 is actually peeing before he even falls asleep at night? It's totally possible, and would explain why he is already wet when we try to wake him to go an hour later, or 2 hours later.

What do we do?

What CAN we do? We have him EOW, and BM has told us many times she is not waking up in the middle of the night, she's not cleaning pee sheets every morning etc...basically, BM refuses to do anything to help this whole situation out. I told DH maybe we need to majorly crack down on it and maybe we need to tell BM we'll keep him overnights until he's trained if she is unwilling to do all this with him? She does live in an apartment so I can understand why she would have some hardships keeping up with the laundry. Should we offer to do it for her? But then what, does she keep it in a garbage bag and we get it on our week and give it back to her?? Ugh, gross.

Please help. Is this something we should go to a doctor for?

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pixiedust10's picture

It stinks. I embarassingly went through this with BS6 up until right after her turned six about five months ago. I even talked to the doctor any time I took either kid in for anything. I tried everything short of the bed wetting alarm. I started having him go a lot during the evening. I told him I didn't want him holding it at all before bedtime. He would go when he got home from school, either before or right after dinner, and right before bed. If he woke up for any reason, he would go again. If he fell asleep in the car on a later evening when we were out, I would make him go. It was a PAIN. It was frustrating, and he still had accidents for a bit, then all of a sudden, it just stopped. I had issues with bio dad being consistent as well, but he just seemed to all of a sudden grow out of it. Which is what the doctor said could happen, he might have just had a small bladder.

Even if BM doesn't want to deal with it, she has to clean that up! Well you know what I mean, it's smelly, it's urine, it's body waste. Even if it gets to a point where he just has a plastic sheet and a towel or old besheet over the plastic(I have done this in the middle of the night), it's much easier to clean than an entire set of linens.

stepmomof2bio1's picture

I hate to tell you this but my ss did this until he was 13. We had those night time underwear he would have to wear so his room did not smell and we were not washing on a daily basis. I started making him wash them himself but I know at 5 you can't. Some kids do have lots of problems and 5 is still very young. Who care what BM does get the night time underwear for your place only and have him wear them. If he refuses to wear them go to a health care store and ask for "chucks" they are thick cloth pads you can put on the bed/chair where ever you need them. Then the sheets won't get wet. Even when I was preg I was worried I would leak or my water break so I had one for my bed, one for the chair and one for my car to sit on!

hismineandours's picture

Yeah. Ive had the same issues. With my ss14.

Some kids bladders mature later than others. This may very well be something he grows out of soon on his own.

It could be emotional. There are only 3 real things that a child can control. When he sleeps, when he potties, and what he eats.

We tried everything with my ss14 over the years. Multiple medications. Pottying before bedtime, pottying in the middle of the night, plastic sheets, no extra blankets, the alarm. Reward systems. Making him clean himself up. As you may have noted, by his age nothing EVER worked.

He was seemingly never bothered by wet pullups, smelly body, smelly room. Also when he was 7 or 8 he went through a phase of peeing himself during the day at school and then sitting in it ALL day long. He did move past that after a few months. When he hit about 12 or so he started to be concerned about showering each morning before school-but still to this day would not care if his room smelled, his bed smelled, and everything in it including his clean clothes absorbed the odor of the urine. He started to refuse pullups at around 8. Too babified. He refused to use the plastic sheet. No reason given, but just refused. He lived with us for 4 months last spring. We bought him a brand new mattress when he moved in. Put a plastic sheet on it. That he kept taking off. We had to throw out the mattress when he moved out 4 months later. He refused to limit his fluid intake. Refused to make sure he peed before bed. Refused to wash his blankets from his bed and refused to even carry them to the laundry room for someone else to wash. There could be as many as 6-8 blankets festering in his room at a time. In his mind, it was not his fault at all that he wet himself so there was nothing he could do to control it, so why try?

I dont mean to scare you, as your ss is still young. My bios were all bedwetters as well-up until age 9 or so. It is a real pain in the ass-but they did outgrow it. The main thing I focused with them on was-taking responsibility for it. NO shaming-but hey if you've got this problem you need to learn how to take care of it. That's why we do plastic sheets, that's why you need to launder your things, that's why you need to limit your fluids, etc.

oneoffour's picture

There is a hormone that is excreted by the brain when you are asleep and it 'notifies' your bladder that you are asleep and it causes your urine to concentrate (hence you pee darker in the morning). In some boys (including my younger son) this hormone is not excreted at an appropriate age. So my son would go to bed, pee beforehand and 2 hours later be as wet as anything.

Making him sleep on plastic will not help. Making him clean himself up out of anger will not help.

This is what I would do (knowing what I know now). In the evening he restricts his fluids. He pees before going to bed and THEN puts on a pull-up just before he goes to sleep. I would also get him checked for some urinary problem (it may be something that simple). Then he gets to wear a pull-up. Until he can stay dry at night he cannot go to sleep overs. And as his siblings get older this WILL become important. He has to be responsible for taking off the wet sheets. Maybe consider a draw-sheet setup which means he only wets a smaller sheet that covers only half the bed. YOu use plastic sheeting over the middle 1/2 of the bed (1/4 down from the top and 1/4 up from the bottom of the bed. Yopu hem a piece of sheeting to fit and then this gets washed every day rather than all the sheets. I used to get cheaper sheets form goodwill and cut them in half. Half underneath and half on top the boy.

My son was nearly 9 before he stopped. It is extremely frustrating. You get a couple good nights and then you are back to square one again. But he will grow out of it eventually.

SteppingUp's picture

Thanks everyone for the comments, I really appreciate it. I am so scared that my BS will go through the same thing, or think it's okay to wear a pull up forever... or whatnot. I am crossing my fingers that because BS is a light sleeper, he will not have these problems *crossing them REALLY tight!*

So anyway... I think I will push to atleast have him checked out, he needs a well-child check up soon anyway and to get vaccinated for school in the fall. I do want to nip the hygeine part of it atleast, like hismineandours said, if he has this problem for real then he also needs to learn how to take care of it. I just wonder how long we will have to nag him about that. I also hope that going to school next year will help too. I just want him to CARE about going in his pull up, and CARE about cleaning up. Too much to ask for a 5 year old boy maybe? I don't want to shame him, but when he is peeing in his pull up during regular non-sleeping hours, I feel it's a problem.

Oneoffour, you brought up an interesting point too about the hormone and the brain stuff...I have read on this too and see that Sleep Apnea can actually cause bed wetting and they have found that by doing treatments for the sleep apnea, the bed wetting subsides. Quite interesting. He sleeps SO deeply, it wouldn't surprise me if sleep apnea was a culprit here too.

Doormatnomore, I think we will try something big for a reward and see what that does. We have tried a reward chart before to get something for being dry at night, but he never succeeded so never got anything, so it never meant anything to him and that just depleted his self-confidence. But maybe it's something we can try again now that it's been about 6 months since we tried that.