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Here we go...update on flights. Ugh.

tigerlily's picture

At the end of this is the email DH sent to BM. Her response today is this:

"Before I answer any of this ......I have one question to ask........how can you ask me to compromise for you when you will never compromise anything for me?"

This is so frustrating. I'm so flippin mad at her idiocy and these games she plays. She does this kind of manipulative behavior all the time. I'm quite sure she if referring to DH telling her last week that he will not agree to the kids missing school to fly out early because she doesn't ensure they do their homework.

HOW IN THE HECK DOES someone respond to this crap? There are about a million things one could say about "never compromise anything for me"...huh? How about where he said he would pay the $235 instead of $161 for flights just so they could fly out a little later.

I definitely think he should remind her about the court order as was suggested and not even address the above question.

She'll continue to play this game.

His initial email to BM:
Been working on return flight for kids.

Its much more expensive to fly them on a weekend day (Sat/Sun) like I have to for them to get them back then it is to fly them on a weekday when they come to you.

Alaska 38 flying out on Sun at 12:27 is $365 per ticket as of today and will continue to increase. The Sat/Sun flights are booking fast because of holiday travel. Alaska 7:05AM flight on Sun is same cost.

Same flight on Saturday at 12:27 that I suggested to you is $235. Sun Country has a 9AM on Saturday at 161.

Sun Country is the cheapest flight but flight time doesn't work, leaves at 11PM and arrives 5AM the day they go to school.

For you to fly them out after school on Tues 12/21 there is an Alaska Airlines 39 at 6:40PM that is listed 181 online.

Any suggestions before I book?

That's a considerable difference and a big cost...to fly them out on Sunday I would be paying at least $750 with fees that I can't afford. It's a little less on Sat.
I'd like to book the Saturday 12:27 flight even though SY is cheaper to fly out at 9AM, but am willing to pay that extra cost from the 9AM to 12:27 time since I know you would prefer the latest time possible.

Thanks.

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caregiver1127's picture

There is no reasoning tell Dh that if she wants to book on Sunday she needs to pay the difference if not then you are booking the flights for Saturday - end of story - she will use every thing in her power to guilt you - let it go and tell her her two options - you gave her too many - just tell her this is how it is and if you don't like it then I will contact the courts and you can start to pay CS and then I can afford the Sunday flights - it is very simple - you hold all the power so use it - tell DH to use his power.

PS - my BM uses the word compromise all the time - DH tells her that when we had SS full time she paid virtually nothing and that is where is compromise went -

wriggsy's picture

Ignore her jab and just send the same information again and again and again until she finally figures out that you aren't going to stoop to her level or beg for whatever it is she thinks you need to beg for.

Stay strong!!

GoodbyeNormaJean's picture

Exactly this^^^^^. Take the "I" "Me" "My" out of it. Don't engage her discussion of what this is really about- HER. Blow it off repeatedly if necessary, tempting as it is to beat her to darn death with it. Stick to the visitation issue, and discuss only that.

I've only learned one valuable lesson since I became a step, but it's a really good one.

"They can't argue by themselves. If I refuse to argue, they're stuck shutting the hell up or standing there talking to themselves as I walk away".

That's it.

tigerlily's picture

This is a vent, but I so want to send this on DH's behalf (but I won't)...at the same time, can we use any of it? I've just so had enough of her stupidity that just ONCE I'd like to say what I really want. I'm so flippin mad and I've learned enough from the past to know better than to respond right now or on DH's behalf...that I need to vent, calm down, read your responses with a clearer head...and then I won't be as mad lol.

Here is my vent of a response that I know can't be sent so I'm releasing here:

"never compromise anything for me?"

Here's an answer:

1) How about last year when I did compromise and send them out a day early against my better judgement thinking that you would actually have some parental responsibility and since they flew out early at YOUR request that YOU would make sure THEY did their homework that I had to all gather FOR YOU and you didn't do ANYTHING. So I did compromise and you did nothing, and you did it again over spring break. You certainly didn't have to deal with their melt downs because of the stress catching up from you not parenting.

2) Please remember I am not obligated at ALL to purchase ANY flight for them. Our court order does not specify transportation requirements nor even visitation. If you want compromise - how about we follow the court order which does NOT obligate me to provide any transportation and you can purchase their flights completely for Xmas. That would be compromise to me since you are the one that moved anyway.

3) I would prefer to pay only $161 to fly them at 9AM on Saturday. Did you miss the part where I said I'm willing to pay $235.(if you still aren't getting it- that would be a COMPROMISE to HELP YOU)

4) Never compromise? YOU ARE PROVIDING NOTHING ZERO NADA ZILCH for your children and I'm not compromising because I can't pay for a $365 per ticket flights for YOUR visitation because YOU moved? I can't afford it BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT FINANCIALLY SUPPORTING YOUR OWN CHILDREN IN ANY WAY.

I'm booking the Saturday flight and if you keep pushing, I won't book any flight and you can be responsible for the transportation since I'm not obligated to provide any per our court order.

WickednNasty's picture

"compromise" by flying them back on a week day which I'm going to guess is going to shorten her time with them.

antidrama's picture

"Before I answer any of this ......I have one question to ask........how can you ask me to compromise for you when you will never compromise anything for me?"

This reminds me of our BM. She always say she is so tired of DH not compromising with her on things. Which is REALLY funny because he is the ONLY ONE who compromises. Why don't they say what they really mean? They don't want a COMPROMISE, they want it THEIR WAY or no way at all. Blum 3

LizzieA's picture

I agree, tempting as it is, don't engage in arguing with her. Make the decision that works best for you guys and say this is it. She really doesn't have a leg to stand on since she doesn't support her kids and here you are helping them go see her. Logically, she should pay both ways.

SillyGilly's picture

Don't even acknowledge her question! It is irrelevant!! Ugh, I am getting frustrated for you. Since that is how she responded I would say "BM, Obviously you do not want to work together on this matter. I will make the appropriate travel arrangements that are in the best interest of the children's academics and that I can afford reasonably. I will forward you the information as soon as I have it."

THEN - I would book whatever freaking flight you want! Three hours earlier or not!

tigerlily's picture

This was our response (below), probably not as good as some of you advised and it's probably still a little too confrontational. I'm fully prepared for honest critiques.

I'm sure she'll came back with some demonic venom spewing bullcrap that she always does. In which case, we'll just call and book the Saturday flight. I know she won't get it and it's probably too self serving to try and continue once again (see below) to try and get through to her what compromise really is and the millions of ways we are sacrificing and compromising due to her lack of any parental responsibility. I firmly believe and know that she still to this day doesn't understand why she lost custody. She's never responsible for anything, it's always someone elses fault.

I am compromising.

I am NOT obligated to purchase any tickets at all. Our court order lists no provisions for transportation (nor any provisions for visitation) or that I am obligated to help at all. I am compromising by purchasing any flight for your visitation as a result of your choice to move so far to try and help out.

I also am compromising because I would also prefer to fly them on the $161 flight at 9AM on Saturday but am willing to still pay more so they can fly out a little later (that would be another compromise that I offered to forego).

If I am to help with flights for your visitation then I will be purchasing the 12:27 Saturday flight at $235 today as the costs are rapidly starting to increase for even those flights as flights are becoming full.

If you want a Sunday flight, then you are going to have to purchase it or purchase round trip tickets to meet your preference. I would consider reimbursing you $235 per ticket as that is what I would have paid.

Or I can purchase the ticket for the flight there (which right now is half the cost of what it is to fly them back here) and you can purchase the return ticket YOU prefer.

Let me know if you want any of the other options or I will book the Sat 12:27 flight today.

GoodbyeNormaJean's picture

That sounds good! Sometimes BMs are just too much drama. You just have to say "You can go with this or you can go with that."

Then when you get, "But me me me I I I my my my and you always and you never.....blah blah blah!"

You just have to go back to, "Again, you can go with this, OR you can go with that. Please respond with your choice by 8pm Saturday or the deal is off and you can come pick them up."

Couldawouldashoulda's picture

Luv it!

zenjetset's picture

boy oh boy...just tell her what you are going to do and don't give her any choices. If she wants a choice, she should pay for it! Why are you paying for it? I don't understand, not in the aggreement don't pay.

I agree with the suggestions above. Don't engage in the banter.

tigerlily's picture

Yes- she first replied by saying there is a sunday flight at 12:27pm that's $265.
We replied by telling her that was the flight already looked at and that was the price for one ticket and had called airline directly and it is 365 per ticket as we already told her.
She then responded to that by saying DH could fly them out on Monday at $181 if they could miss that one day of school but knows DH doesn't feel its important enough to miss school.
Grr...responded with how school isn't important enough to her and tried it last year but she didn't make sure they did the homework. Also that she knew she would have to deal with their school schedule when she decided to move so far away. No word back after that so booked the flight we wanted on sat. So round one down. Round two I'm sure will be coming when she has to book the flight there for them. Not sure how much longer she plans on waiting. I'm sure school will come up again as she is gOing to demand they miss a day to fly out early.

LizzieA's picture

PA, after all that crap, she finally agreed about the 24th? What a waste of time and energy. Maybe the lawyer talked sense into her.

tigerlily's picture

Thanks Proud Arrow...that is really helpful. I'm almost certain it's going to come to that, where DH has to demand they not miss a day. She just manipulates everything that it's so hard to try and stick to your guns with her. She has no boundaries. She can't understand that due to her choice to move, she is stuck dealing with visitation during their school break. Their kids have major school issues which we work (mostly me) our butts off every single day, especially with SS13. Missing just one day of school will impact them in ways that effect our household for weeks, especially as it will be mid tri. And also when we all know full well they won't do anything over break. I guess I always hope she might grow some reason, but it fails every time.

Funny about your situation that you shared....our BM has NEVER considered or had to work around our work schedules. Never. She would just say it's our problem (yeah, coming from the one with NO job herself). It was nice to hear that you stuck to your guns and it worked.

It's going to help start building up the strenght for what I know round two will be and probably soon. Last year, she waited until Thanksgiving weekend to book the Christmas flight and we did agree to them missing school because she whined about how expensive flights were. Duh.

I know we are going down that path again this year...she has no money so she'll wait until the last minute...don't know how she ends up paying for the flights, but some how does. Strange that she can't come up with the $20/month child support. Ha.