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caitlinj's picture

I will preference this by saying I am not married to my boyfriend of over 2 years. We do not live together either although we see each other often and I am already involved in his kids lives. They are 4 and 7. He has not asked me to marry him but has mentioned me moving in with him. Im not quite there for a number of reasons. First off at this point in my life I do not want to live with someone again without some form of commitment (marriage). I am a childless woman who is 32 and have my own place, good career etc and dont want to put everything I have worked hard for on the line without commitment. I will say I have considered marriage with this man. I love him and care about his kids. However there are the normal issues, jealousy, parenting, behavioral issues, he has some finical issues as well, that I feel should be sorted before we get married. Anyways long story short Ive been invited to a good friend of mines wedding in Cancun this summer. I would love my boyfriend to go with me and invited him and even offered to help pay for his ticket. I also told him his kids were welcome to come as well. He has shown no interest in going whatsoever and told me to go ahead and have a good time solo. However occasionally he will give me a guilt trip about going and tell me I better not hook up with other men and that Ill have more fun without him anyways. I do not appreciate him saying these things for two reasons 1. I invited him and offered to help him pay and he decided not to go 2. I even included his kids as well and he still decided not to go 3. He is contemplating on going on a vacation with his kids and his mother for her 70th birthday to Chicago that same week while I am gone. I could use a partner in my life and some support and I feel he is quick to give his mother and children this but not me. 4.He took a trip out of state to visit friends last summer and never invited me until the last minute. He blamed it on the fact that we were fighting, but we weren't fighting until his son decided to "accidentally" throw a chair (he claims he accidentally knocked it over) and it hit the family pet. I took issue with it and my boyfriend turned on me and said "I can't believe you thought he'd do that on purpose" It became a big blow out and I decided to leave. I was not happy. He decided to take a trip to see friend I had never met before and not invite me until the day before he left. Anyways Im going to my friends wedding solo it looks like and Im fine with it but I figure he is not happy with me about it for some reason when he is the one deciding not to go. Im approaching long term commitment with him with caution because it seems he doesnt make decisions considering my need for support at times. Ive been on several trips with him and his children but when I need companionship or support he doesnt seem to feel its important. Anyways Im just looking for everyones two cents on this situation. Thanks for listening.

ESMOD's picture

As futurobrillante99 said on another thread

"If your partner is an emotionally stunted toddler in a man suit, keep your mouth shut and plan your exit."

This guy is acting like an spoiled brat. I mean, you literally invited him and he is making all these insecure comments about you cheating on him. Perhaps he feels like he would do so if the role was reversed.

From what you have posted... you aren't high enough on his value chain. I understand that his kids are a primary responsibility.. but he doesn't seem to value your feelings.

Reading around the edges..he doesn't sound like a super catch. 2 kids and financial problems. search through this site and you will find many tales of woe with the same formula.

Loxy's picture

Completely agree with ESMOD. It's clear you're boyfriend is insecure and it's been my experience that those who accuse others of cheating are usually the ones cheating themselves. Further, he comes with a lot of baggage ie financial issues and 2 young kids.

Why exactly are you with this guy as he really doesn't sound worthwhile!

Harry's picture

Him 1. Kids. 2 & 3. Mother 4. Guest you are #5 in his life.
And Remember, these are the GOOD DAYS. When everybody is on the best behaver
It seems like the Homegmoon is already over. You are wasting your time with him
Sorry to say, cut your loses now

SAFjh's picture

I was only half way through reading this when I started typing. The word "manipulative" was my very first thought.

Ok...finished reading the whole thing. You are right to be cautious about approaching long term commitment with this guy. In fact...my two cents...is that he isn't at all right for you. If you aren't even enjoying each other in the "honeymoon" stage of the relationship then what is the rest of this thing going to look like? I don't know (sometimes I can tell) what his motives are exactly which is a little scary. I just know that he is immature and manipulative and through his actions he is telling you your batting order in his life. You aren't ok with it. If he won't put you first now he never will and you SHOULD NOT settle for second place, third place, fourth place........

Take it from me and many people here who settled for less than being someone's #1 priority...neverminding the fact that this guy obviously has tremendous issues and baggage...it f****** hurts to be second place or worse. That by itself can create a lot of resentment and pain. Good luck to you girl.

Acratopotes's picture

oh hell, run girl run, run like the wind......

Keep your own place and your own money, stop bailing him out if you are doing it, stop looking after his kids even if it's only for half an hour, He's not serious about you, he's never going to marry you cause he's already married to his children and mummy... You will always be 4rt in line, maybe 5th cause his Ex will be ahead of you.

Go and enjoy the wedding, if he keeps on making digs about it, look him in the eye and say, you had the opportunity to join me and you declines, no stop acting like a baby and grow up. I'm a grown woman and if I want to go I will.....

This man is showing anger issues, and definitely emotional abuse, he wants you to sit at home and wait around till he has time for sex, nothing else...

Sarri3's picture

Hi Caitlin,
I see red flags all over your post. Nothing about what you said or wrote describes this man as a “partner or a support”. I’m sorry, but if he is like this now, it will only worsen after a wedding. Sadly, from what you described, you will never be his #1.
You sound like a bright girl with a wise head on your shoulders. Your successful, a good career, financially stable, and it sounds like you have a good heart too! You deserve to be with someone similar. It’s likely a future with this guy will cost you all the above, and perhaps lose yourself in the process, and your worth so much more. I agree with Acra.....RUN!!!
Whatever you decide, good luck to you and have a great time in Cancun Smile

caitlinj's picture

I’d like to thank everyone who replied and say thank you for the kind words. I must say my boyfriend has great qualities which I did not include. He’s a nice guy and a good man, I believe loyal as well. I feel sometimes in these situations you have to be ok with the childless persons desires and needs getting met as well. Most of the time you come after the kids and sometimes the ex as well. It doesn’t feel good and can be lonely even if he’s a good guy. I will be taking the trip for sure. I left his invitation open and expressed I’d love him to go as well. But regardless I will be going one way or another.

SAFjh's picture

I would normally leave well enough alone here since I can tell that you(not unlike myself) are the kind of person who will learn for yourself...even if it's the hard way...what is good for you and what isn't but I need to call attention to this....

"Most of the time you come after the kids and sometimes the ex as well."

This isn't true girl. Especially the latter part! It is utter nonsense to believe that you should come secondary to someone's ex partner or spouse whether they have children together or not! As far as the kids go...there may certainly be times when there needs have to be placed ahead of the needs of a partner but overall a happy partnership should be the number one priority. If you have a happy partnership you are a happy person and a happy person makes the best kind of parent. They can give their best selves to their kids because they have a "best self" to give. One day...under normal circumstances at least...the kids will go out into the world and have their own lives and who will still remain is the partner provided their SO was good to them, fair to them, loving to them and made them a priority. You don't have to work at your kids being your kids because they always will be but you do have to work on keeping your partner in your life because that person will not always be there if you neglect them.

Now these words are for you to think about and hopefully deliver to your SO...if he is even worth the breathe and can even remotely be reasoned with...when you realize that I am right. You are worth this. It doesn't sound as if you believe that. You got a resounding and universal response here from everyone that I know probably isn't what you wanted to here but that many of us can't be wrong. I hope I don't sound like I'm lecturing you or condescending because I'm not...I really don't want you to go through the hurt that I am certain you are in for. Please give this some deeper thought. Best of luck.

marblefawn's picture

I don't know that he's as awful as everyone here is making him out to be. But think about this. He has a lot of people on his plate among whom he must divide his time, money, effort and attention. On your plate, you have him. There will always be that imbalance because even if you have kids with him, he'll still have all those other kids.

I was in your shoes - I was a career woman with no kids really wanting a steady for weddings, trips, parties. But average men with young kids can't afford the time and money to have single-person fun. You'll be footing the bill for him and his kids every time you want to do something that he can't afford, and when school's in session, you'll be tied down with him. He can't be spontaneous, frivolous nor extravagant. It's not that he isn't a fun guy, but he's saddled with obligations that you don't have. As soon as you marry/pair with him, you have the worst parts of those obligations, but none of the good parts. Think about that.

As for this specific event, be grateful you're learning how he is before you're tethered to him. Go to the wedding, be single at the wedding, be open to meeting someone else who might be a better fit for you. If it happens, it was meant to be. If it doesn't, fine, that will give you more time to work out the kinks in this relationship. Whatever you do, DON'T MOVE IN OR MARRY HIM with all these red flags that are trying to tell you to go slower and not do anything you can't easily undo.

2Tired4Drama's picture

Great advice from marblefawn.

Caitlin, suggest you listen to your smart inner voice which is probably telling you this is not the man you - instead of "feeling" your way through this relationship.

"...when I need companionship or support he doesnt seem to feel its important." If a girlfriend of yours said this to you, what would you say/think? I'll bet you would think that this guy is a loser and she should dump him. Listen to your own BFF - which is yourself. If you need additional insight, go to YOUR family and tell them this - see what their advice is.

Go to Cancun, go anywhere you want. Most importantly go without this man and his children. They are the equivalent to an anchor which will take you down and drown all the hopes and dreams you have for your life.

SAFjh's picture

I am giving a standing ovation to marblefawn myself. Her advice was fantastic!

Again Caitlyn I hope I didn't come across wrong. My intentions are only good here when I give my advice. Even though we are all strangers I feel a sense of camaraderie with the women and men here because we are all in this together. Step-life is hard. I want the best for each and every one of us.

caitlinj's picture

Thank you again everyone. I completely agree. My trip is booked. He's more than welcome to come along and join me if he likes. Ive told him Id love his company but either way Im going to my friends wedding. A big part of me feels it is important to be supportive of my friend who is getting married and to be there on her special day. I feel being that supportive to the people you care about is important. Also Cancun is beautiful and Ive never had a chance to go and Im not sure I ever will again (if we end up getting married.) Im not very close to my family. My father passed when I was fairly young and I was raised by a single mother who remarried and divorced twice whom I was never close too. (my mother is very narcissistic) My siblings to do live near me as I moved away once I was and adult to get away from the family dysfunction. Thanks again everyone. Like I said Im not rushing into marrying him everyone though I love him and care about his kids. Im also not going to move in without marriage (commitment).