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BM keeps stuff from our house and it is driving me crazy.

AJanie's picture

Just a vent about something small.

Skids come mid week, straight from school, eat, shower and go home in pajamas. For awhile, BM would send a bag of pajamas. A few months ago she stopped.

So after their shower, for a few months now, they go home in pajamas or other comfy clothes, socks and underwear from our house. Teeth brushed.
Homework done and put away in their folders. All ready for bed. And yet... she never returns anything.

I told DH to ask her to kindly return our stuff (I literally am keeping a list because we are missing so much.) She told him she isn't returning it because "we don't return her clothes." This bothered me because I personally make sure everything, right down to their socks, is returned at the end of each weekend. On the rare occasion something is strewn somewhere and we can't find it, when it turns up it is washed and immediately sent back to BM. I told him to have her provide a f*cking inventory, because I am 100% positive all I have is a few hair ties from her house.

We struggle enough as it is. We don't have the money to pay her child support and replace underwear, socks, pajamas and sweatshirts on a constant basis because she can't just throw it in a bag and return it, so, last night they returned home at bedtime with clean underwear, but in the same dirty clothes they wore to school, and I kept the underwear they came in. If she wants to make it a pissing match, so be it. Sorry kids, have to put on dirty clothes after a bath because mommy is an asshole.

I let SD take a stuffed animal home a couple weeks ago and BM sends THAT back in a bag, but nothing else. Really?

I find it so rude and annoying, people disrespecting OUR belongings is a huge pet peeve. and I am done being extra nice and considerate about her stuff.

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AJanie's picture

It just seems wrong to put kids back in their filthy school clothes (you know how kids clothes look after a day of playground and school) after their shower. But oh well.

ESMOD's picture

Can you not throw it in the wash when they get there? Have the kids change into "your house clothes for the night and then wash their school clothes and send them back in that?

AJanie's picture

We don't have a washer and dryer in our place. Costs money and takes time... so inconvenient.

ESMOD's picture

Hate that for you. Not having a washer and dryer can be so inconvenient!

AJanie's picture

SD is 7 and BM sends her in 4T underwear.

Oh, and last year a pair of BM's underwear was in the bag she sent with the skids. I pulled her underwear out of the bag while we were all in the car, announced that mommy accidentally sent her undies, and then tossed them out the window. Not one of my "high road" moments.

zerostepdrama's picture

WTF :?

Salems Lot's picture

BM was probably hoping the dad or SM would take her out in public and not notice it until someone else did. To try and make dad and SM look preverted.

hereiam's picture

It does suck but there are only a few choices. Kids bring clean clothes with them, but since they are coming from school, that's probably not going to happen. Or, if you do any laundry during the time they are there, throw the dirty school clothes in so they will be clean, or they go home in dirty clothes. That's about it.

AJanie's picture

He picks them up at the bus stop (in front of BM's house). BM is mostly a stay at home mom to 2 kids who are in school all day, so I just think it wouldn't be hard to toss a bag of pajamas in DH's direction. lol

Dontfeedthetrolls's picture

This is why the kids always return to BM in what they come in. I know it's annoying and would be easier sometimes but ours would do the same IF she likes it.

I used to send SO's son home in a shirt that said something like "I get it from dad" because it always came back. She flat out said she doesn't let son wear it normally. I don't care. Im garenteed then it will come back if for some reason I can't get his Friday outfit cleaned by Sunday.

She does her best to send the kids in the cheapest or oldest stuff. Son is in size 10 shoes. Guess what size he wore to the house Monday.... 7. So guess which ones will go back with him.... 7.

Salems Lot's picture

I understand completely. We were buying clothing almost every weekend they were here.
It got to the point with SO sending the skids home in the clothes they arrived in. That is what you may have to do as well.
They still managed to sneak clothes home on occasion never to be seen again.

Salems Lot's picture

And yes, the clothes our BM sent the skids in were tattered and 3 sizes too small. With all the clothes they took home from here, they had plenty of nice pieces that actually fit to choose from!

Dontfeedthetrolls's picture

We sent home a pair of shoes with Son when they were almost too small (size 9). Not only did we pick him up in shoes that were size 8 the next weekend but upon texting her she had the nerve to try and say that's what size he needed to wear. The shoes were so small they were hurting him and he started to cry as dad tried to put them on him. She refused to let him wear the other one's even though they were at least a bit bigger. That was months ago. Monday we picked up the kids for the summer. She sent the kid wearing size 7's. I was and am still pissed. This should be considered child abuse in my mind. She has another option and is refusing it to try and prove her point.

I'm still trying to get daughter to understand she now has to wear a size large because BM is still buying her mediums. She was wearing medium last summer. She wanted to agrue with me about bathing suits because the one we got last summer was a medium and that's what she wears according to mom. I just told her to go put it on and then she agreed it was too small.

I'm worried this is gonna cause body issues because BM wants to keep her in clothing that is too small and here I am telling her she's growing. Like I keep trying to word things so she understands. I'll say your getting bigger and what I mean is she's growing.

She sends son wearing 2T stuff when now he's in boys 4. GRRRRRR.

Ninji's picture

We buy all clothes for both houses and skids still look like homeless people when they come back to us from BM. I finally got to a point that I have to see them wear nice new clothes a few times BEFORE they can wear it to BM's. I'll never see it again.

Acratopotes's picture

BM takes your cloths and then she does not need to spend money on her own kids...

keep on sending them back in dirty cloths, not your problem Hon... what stops BM from packing extra cloths for the days they are with you? Deigma use to do this when he was younger and the day care lady asked for clean cloths, thus he had 2 bags per day... one for school and one for daycare... (our kids wear uniforms to school)

AJanie's picture

She's always INSISTED they return showered so she doesn't have to deal with it. She's exhausted from working one waitressing shift per week and taking SD to an hour of gymnastics per week. She has sooo much on her plate.

DH is just a stickler for their nightly routine. He likes us to sit down and eat, then they do their reading, then bath. It has been that way for a few years.

Ninji's picture

We have always had the kids showered and feed when we drop them off to BM on Sundays. This means dinner is at 330ish. One time. ONE TIME. DH told BM that we were going to be in her neck of the woods and would it be ok we dropped the off a little early and have her feed and shower that night.

You would have thought we requested to stop CS. She threw a huge fit.

Now that we have SS full time, she has never once feed or had him showered before dropping him off. In fact, several times, he has worn the same clothes the entire time he's with her. She won't even have him change clothes or brush teeth. She don't give a crap about feeding or showering. (And last time he said there was no food and he only ate a pack of ramen noodles that day at her house)

AJanie's picture

Similar situation here. The skids always stink. She will dress them up if they are going somewhere or being photographed, but on the day to day she is too overwhelmed to properly manage things.

I understand kids keep you busy. But I would love to have her live on day in my friend's shoes - single mom who receives no CS, works 40+ hours per week and spends all weekend watching her child play sports (year round). BM couldn't hack it for one day.

StepUltimate's picture

Same story. BM never, EVER spent any if the CS on SS. When DH got custody, SS (then 13) had: 1 pair sweatpants with holes & stains; two pairs of gym or b-ball style shorts; three size XXL men's shirts, two from ex BF's and one from a fundraiser/free promo event (or maybe a thrift store?); one XXL mens coat that looked like a creeper coat and that looked like SS, DH & me could all fit in at once; plus 3 pair of stained up, stretched out chonies. He had to borrow DH's clothes! BM had NEVER IN 13 YEARS taken SS to a dentist, so I did that; never taught him to brush his teeth! She told him to stand in the shower for at least 10 minutes to get clean... no washing/scrubbing required. Use the toilet & walk right past the sink, lazy preferred ofer sanitation & good healthy habits. He also usually returned from her house in the same clothes, no bathing or teeth-brushing, both before & after she had custody.

Too much to believe until SS lived with us full time! Whoah!!

BSgoinon's picture

Just keep one outfit, wash it and send them back in it next time and keep the one they had one, wash it and send them in it next time. So on and so forth. Then they will always go back in clean clothes that belong at her house.

AJanie's picture

Good idea. She will have breakdown because we initially kept something, but that could work.

BSgoinon's picture

This is what we did back when BM actually had some custody. She flipped out at first until she realized it was a system that worked.

step.life's picture

This is what happens here. We don't send any clothes back in a bag, just the one outfit SD has on. Then the next time the outfit from the last visit is clean and worn home. BM likes to send SD9 in size 5 as well, so she goes back in the size 5. SD has specifically said "I'm not allowed to wear my moms nice clothes to Dads so my mom gave me a crappy clothes drawer to choose from so my dad doesn't steal my moms clothes". I replied to her "Well that's unfortunate that you're mom has 'crappy' clothes for her daughter, all your clothes should be nice, and don't worry your dad is not going to steal YOUR clothes and wear them or something!" She laughed at that one, but is used to the procedure now because BM also constantly complains that she needs to wear HER clothes home.

skatermom's picture

BM here writes her initials in a black sharpie pen on the tags of all the clothes she bought, including coats and shoes and boots. Not their initials....hers. Also, she doesn't care if there is a tag or not, she will write the initials right on the actually shirt. the woman is insane

step.life's picture

Our BM writes "mom" with a heart drawn next to it in the tags. Gag! (I love you... but let me give you an anxiety disorder about clothing items) When I saw it I said "Hey SD does your mom wear these pants, she wrote her name in them?"

Acratopotes's picture

with that BM - at least the kids get to shower lol, she will not end up with stinky teenagers

step.life's picture

Agree, why should dad spend his limited visitation time showering the kids? He could be spending quality time doing something else with them. It sounds like a way for BM to control and take away visit time if he continues to go along with this.

zerostepdrama's picture

Agree!

Pharlap's picture

Ours got to the point where BM would make SS change clothes while he was at her house for a few hours on DH's time (like if she had a BBQ or family event she asked to have SS for for a bit on his days). So if we sent him in something nice, he would come back a few hours later in ratty too small clothing and we would never see the nice stuff again. Now he goes to her place in old tshirts and pants and those magically come back all the time.

SM12's picture

If your DH refuses to stop the bath time ever evening, then the only solution you have is to send them back in the clothes they came in. They may be dirty but I would refuse to continue to buy clothes that never come back. We had to do that to BM for quite a while to drive it home.
I purchased some really nice clothes for YSS, only to have them ALL end up at BM's. DH was not happy about it either. So, we send him back in the crappy clothes BM send him in.

BM is also a pro at never feeding the kids before she drops them off. No matter what time she brings them. It could be 9 pm when we get them and they haven't eaten. The one time DH decides he is going to play her game and drops them off at 5 pm to her house, she shot back a nasty text saying the kids walked in saying they were hungry.
Hahahaha. It was 5 pm....they had eaten lunch so It wasn't like we starved them.

I love it when DH gives BM exactly what she gives us.

Peridwen's picture

Send 'em back in dirty clothes. BM throws fits if the kids aren't sent back in her clothes but DH ignored it. He just repeats the following mantra each time she pitches a fit: "I do not always have time to wash a single set of clothes. You may choose between accepting the dirty clothes on the kids, allowing the kids to manage their clothing between houses, or having the kids wear clothes from my house on switch days."

BM doesn't get to dictate that you bathe the kids on your time unless your DH agrees to it. Then it's your DH who has issues. In your case I would tell DH that either BM provides the pjs she wants the kids changed into, or they go back in their clothes from the day. End of story.

Edit to add: If BM sends the kids in underwear that is too small, we just toss it and let the kids wear underwear from our house. (Socks & underwear are monthly budget items in our house of 4 growing, rambunctious kids - it doesn't affect our bottom line much.) But if its a budget issue, send the kid back commando. Eventually either BM or the kid will get tired of the lack of underwear on the return trip, or BM will run out of toddler underwear.

Maxwell09's picture

We solved this problem by keeping him in his school uniform for pick up. BM only has him on weekends and has no use for uniforms so she always sends him back as I'm sure she doesn't want to "lose" any of her clothes either. I shop at consignment shops, have hand-me-downs and cheap Walmart shoes if hes out of school on holiday or Summer. We have a few uniform sets so the one he comes back in gets washed on Wednesday and is ready again by Friday.

AJanie's picture

I agree that it is petty and degrading. I feel bad for the kids to have to keep track of every damn garment so I try not to make it an issue... they have a place where they put their stuff from moms and they have plenty at our place. BM has always made it an issue since day 1. She once started a fight with us in front of SD at SS's football game about a missing "cream colored sweater."

It is just at the point where BM needs to do her part in making the "clothes situation" work. We can't afford to replace so much stuff right now.

Peridwen's picture

Same at our house. Especially now that SD11 and SS10 are old enough to manage their own clothes. We do not care at all if what we buy goes over there as long as something comes back because we see the clothes as belonging to the kid, not to us. If there's something that we bought for a special occasion we let the kids know it must stay with us until the special occasion is over. Other than that the kids know we don't care. But it matters to BM and she will scream at them if they don't bring her stuff back. So I set out a small box (you know those cloth boxes for shelves?) and BM's clothes go in there. Kids put those clothes back on when they return.

BM still sometimes complains because the kids were returned to her wearing the WRONG underwear. She sent them over in white underwear and they returned in a patterned underwear! The horror! We allow the kids to wear clean underwear that fits them appropriately.

Ninji's picture

She knows what color underwear the 10 and 11 year old are wearing? Too much.

Peridwen's picture

According to SD, BM bought specific, plain underwear just for switch days. I can honestly tell you that I have no idea what underwear the kids are wearing at any point in time. As long as underwear shows up regularly in the laundry and there is clean underwear in the drawers, neither DH nor I pay any attention.

BM goes through cycles where she is crazy intense on stupid crap, then changes to a normal person, then back to crazy. It drives me insane. The underwear crap was the most recent down cycle.

FieryEscape's picture

We are dealing with a similar issue. Nice clothes go to BM's - never to be seen again. BM sends her back in PJ's or ratty , stained too big or way to small hand me downs from her other kids that she actually has custody off. SO has finally decided that the kid will go to her BM's in the crap clothes that came from there. BM pays a pathetic amount in CS and buying clothes for her house isn't happening!

Sounds like those kids are old enough to shower when they are back at home....stop making BM's life easier.

skatermom's picture

I'm wondering why school age kids are showering at their dad's house, when sleeping at their mom's. Doesn't make sense. Are they 9 mos old? This whole routine needs to change. Stop the showers. Fine, maybe dad has them after school, they can be fed and homework done, but let her handle the showers.

If they are sleeping over at BMs, I guarantee she is getting credit for the overnights even though it sounds like she isn't doing squat.

Your DH's job is not to make his ex wife's job easier, it's to make yours easier.

I used to have a similar problem. BM would drop off the SDs in jammies wrapped in blankets every day for DH to get them ready for school. We are talking about 7 and 10 yr old kids. I asked them why they are leaving the house this way and they said they were too tired, more like BM was too lazy. I just kept bagging up the PJs and blankets until she had no choice but to send them back in actual clothes.

AJanie's picture

Yeah the kids still go to bed around 9 on school nights and by the time DH drops them off it is usually after 8:00. It is just what they've always done so I understand he wants to keep the routine. Of course once they are middle school aged and older it'll be different.

skatermom's picture

So then she wakes them up, gives them breakfast and off to school? Then DH picks them up from school, feds, bathes, Homework and drops them off after 8pm.....what exactly DOES BM do???

AJanie's picture

She sits on her ass, shops and waitresses once or twice per week. Her mom provides free child care at the drop of a hat for when being a stay at home mom of school aged kids gets to be too much.

She has a mental breakdown about taking SD to ONE HOUR of gymnastics per week. It throws her for such a loop.

Ninji's picture

We have had the underwear fight for YEARS. We were buying a pack every 6-7 weeks for SS. He would wear a pair home to BM and never wore any back.

Back in Dec we took him to the eye doctor. He had on gym shorts. He's 11 now. You could tell that he didn't have any underwear on. "It" was sticking straight out. We (I, DH just stood there) had a talk with him about him getting older and the importance of wearing underwear. Now, if I find out he isn't wearing any, he gets a chore.

AJanie's picture

Yeah I always wondered how it would be once they start caring about their clothes and fashion sense more. For now it is just as simple as... I give BM her stuff and I'd like her to give us ours. Once in awhile something is bound to get lost but keeping things constantly is rude and that is why I am making a fuss.

But like PP's said, I will just have to send them in whatever they came in, even if dirt and food stained for a day at school.

skatermom's picture

I have middle-school and high-school aged kids, it will be impossible to keep up with or care about the clothes issue. They will simply take what they want to wear back and forth. Once they get a job, good luck. All this will be a moot point

Salems Lot's picture

Skids used to pack a bag to bring to their dads. They were supposed to do this as it is in the agreement that BM was to supply clothes. BM stopped this because it was too much work....

So SO began buying clothes and extra shoes for his place. Skids would take these new clothes home.It wouldn't have been an issue if they had continued to bring a packed a bag or wore the good clothes back but they didn't. They always came back in tattered clothes that were too small.
Other than old underwear, they didn't even leave their tattered clothes at his place, so he would have to go out and buy more.
SO started to make them leave the clothes he purchased at his house so they would have a change of clothing at his house, and they would have to wear the clothes they arrived in, when they returned home.

If it was too much work for them to pack a bag, in was in his right to make sure they left clothes that he purchased at his house.

I don't see how this confirms the NCP/step home playing clothing wars. He never called BM and bawled her out or made any demands regarding the missing clothes. He just told the skids from now on, they had to leave the clothes he purchased at his place, and wear the ones they arrived in, back home because he wasn't taking them clothing shopping every weekend they were with him. After that, if they did take something home and never brought it back, they had to wear what was on their backs that weekend.

AJanie's picture

Exactly. DH and I really don't make a big display about it to the kids, ever.

I feel like a royal asshole making the kids strip and hand everything over when they come to our house, because BM will lose her mind if she doesn't get her stuff back. Meanwhile, all of the pieces we purchase are just kept or tossed by BM... screw that. We struggle enough. She isn't winning this battle.

I like them to be clean. I usually help SD7 wash the conditioner from her hair and then she puts on a fresh pair of pajamas. After a long day it seems the right thing to do, rather than squeezing her into her outfit from BM that is covered in dog hair, yogurt, dirt and whatever else from the day. The funny thing is, for awhile BM was packing a nice bag of pajamas for each kid. This is when she wanted DH's settlement that he was expecting. Now that the court system informed her that she doesn't just get someone else's settlement because she gives birth twice, no more bags with clothes being sent.

This is also a woman who won't do court ordered drop offs, even when it is icy outside and she has 4 wheel drive, while DH's car is a tin can.

All about her. Always. And I will be damned if she keeps my shit, even if it is a pajama set that cost $4 at a thrift store, I want it back.

AJanie's picture

Also if DH got child support it would be easy to replace things. He doesn't, he gets his measley "visitation" and she gets the paycheck. She shouldn't keep what we buy, that is for them so that she doesn't have to pack a bag every time they come. It makes no sense.

skatermom's picture

It sounds like your DH has custody and she is milking the overnights for CS. Sounds like your DH needs to think about going back to court for 50/50 custody at least

momjeans's picture

BM used to pull this crap.

First of all, BM would pick-up skid after school and have her change out off her uniform before exchanges. Skid would be in two sizes too small clothes when we got her, and no uniform for the following school day. It wasn't a problem until we ran out of about 2 weeks worth of them, plus cardigans, the nice school shoes DH bought, etcetera. BM basically told him tough titties and to go buy more if it was a problem. I wanted to punch her in the throat.

Ultimately, DH got the weekday pick-up changed to him picking skid up from school.

In regard to the weekend visits, we'd change skid out of her clothes she came in, so we could send her back home in them when she left.

It was all a game to BM.

ntm's picture

Have them eat and don't worry about the shower. Just let them keep their clothes on and send them back to BM the way they showed up.

Monchichi's picture

We went through this cycle for quite some time. We have a discount store in my country called PEP. We bought very cheap clothing there and would then either throw away SS's too small clothing or we would wash the items and keep them at our house until we could have a pile of item he could go back in.

This used to drive me insane until I found a solution. Now sadly we bought some nice things for when he comes to us and he stole the pjama's to take home as he really liked them. I bought new ones from the cheap store and have told my husband he's on bag inspection every single sleep over visit.

It's not worth the hag and the kids shouldn't have to bath and then go home in dirty things. Try the alternates offered and stock pile the clothing for 2-3 changes. If BM throws a wobbly itemise all you have not had returned and stipulate you are holding the clothing for stay overs.