My kindergarten SS is genuinely cruel
My(F27) SO(M31) has a son (stb 5) from a previous relationship that was seriously toxic and abusive. They split 3 years ago, with my SO moving out and finding his own place. She immediately began denying him visitation and called Child services, claiming he was psychotic and a danger to children. He wasn't allowed to see his son for 4 months while they investigated the claims, and then SHE only allowed supervised visits with his parents, who had disowned him for turning away from their religion. Those visits went for another 4 months, before he was finally permitted solo visitation by BM. Ever since the 4 months of not being allowed to see him, SS has been incredibly mean to SO - grade school bullying behaviour, honestly. Additionally, the entire time SS is with SO, BM is texting and accusing him of abuse if he didn't respond within 2 minutes. I know all of this because my SO let me read their text history at the beginning of our relationship so that I would know 100% he was being truthful. Now, SS visits are Monday and Friday, 5:30-8:30pm. Regular, but super short.
Once he and I started seeing each other, she got very invasive - demanding all of my information, threatened to have me investigated by child services, accused him of finding "some random wh*re to traumatize 'her precious baby'". At the time, I had BD(now 8), and an incredibly peaceful, friendly, healthy co-parenting relationship with bio-dad. So their co-parent dynamic was like whiplash for me. Now, SO and I are engaged, bought a house, and have a 2-month baby girl together.
When SO and I started seeing each other, we waited a *while* to introduce each other to our kids. When we did meet the kids, we agreed that parenting was off the table for now, basically just be the kids friend until the relationship with the kid progresses. Well, SS was obsessed with me immediately and wanted me involved in every second of every visit. He constantly told me that I was the coolest person ever. He even started being better behaved and actually showing love towards his dad. When his mom picked him up from visits, he would apparently talk non-stop about me for the following 2 days. I guess she hated that, because suddenly, I was the enemy. SS wakes up the day after a visit with a sniffle? BM sends an 8 paragraph text about how I "infected her baby to try to kill him". SS has a bruise or scraped knee from the park? BM claims that I must be beating SS. I really wish I were exaggerating but I absolutely am not.
Time passed, and suddenly SS started pulling away from me - refusing to let me play with him, telling me he didn't want me there, telling me to go away forever. However, when I wasn't present for visits, he was crying about how much he misses me and loves me, begging his dad to "bring his (my name) back", only to immediately be mean and hurtful as soon as I walk through the door. SO finally got him to talk about his behaviour, and SS claims that BM told him that I was the reason his mommy and daddy weren't together. (I literally met SO after they had already split, and she moved a boyfriend in 2 months after SO moved out.)
Over the span of about a year, his behaviour got worse and worse, with him constantly telling SO that he hates him, never wants to see him again, never misses him, and wishes he wasn't his daddy. There was a 2 month stretch where this kid would literally shove his own hand down his throat to make himself throw up so that he could go home early or not have to visit. He throws things at me, lies about literally everything, and genuinely becomes happy when he succeeds in making his dad cry. SO does everything he can to prevent this treatment, but literally nothing makes it stop, excepg being sent home early. I basically completely disengaged for the last 3 months of my pregnancy because I didn't have it in me to tolerate that while also heavily pregnant. I hate having either of my daughters around him at all because he's such a cruel little jerk, and I don't want them around that. But my LO is his half sister and was so excited about getting a sister, so we have them interact sometimes when she's awake during visits.
His behaviour improved a lot for the first 3 weeks after LO was born, until suddenly, one visit to the next, he was right back to being cruel. He has been refusing to enter the house, standing on the driveway throwing a massive screaming fit about how he hates SO and doesn't want to be here, with BM refusing to drive away the entire time. SS will literally hit SO until he steps back, then SS will sprint back to the car and climb in, locking the doors. When we DO manage to get him in the house, he will sit on the couch, refusing to speak to anyone for the entire visit, OR spend the whole visit telling SO how much he hates him in the calmest, most sincere voice I've ever heard from a child, smiling the whole time. SS hasn't properly visited in 2 weeks because we haven't been able to get him into the house. Talking about it with SO, apparently this isn't even new behaviour. That's how EVERY drop off has been going for a whole year. (I don't participate in drop off or pick up, as BM has refused to release him if I'm present for it). So naturally, SO is at his limit. He can't even remember the last time (pre-baby) that he actually enjoyed or looked forward to a visit. I can honestly say that we both genuinely don't even like his son. SO is at the point of heavily considering signing away all rights because it's been almost 3 years of this for him. He freely admits that me entering the picture was a god-send because his son was loving and kind for like 4 months straight. But now.... It's not getting better, if anything it's getting worse. The older he gets, the more cruel he gets. We're both terrified of what he'll do if he decides he hates his baby sister.
So yeah... that's my life. Yay?
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It’s your SS
He had a BM and BF. You are NOT either. He doesn't want you to bother him. You do what's call disengagement.
As you do nothing for him. SS always must be with SO. Never be with you alone. Either SO take care of him or he's with BM. BM is nuts. Block all phone calls and texts from BM. Only e mail are the way to communicate with BM. You can't having BM calling every five minutes. Unless SO breaks off this BM nonsense,it's time to leave. You can't have BM controlling your home and life. As she is doing now.
Already disengaged
I disengaged completely almost 6 months ago now. I make sure DD is on a playdate or with family during SS visits while I am home in the bedroom with LO, or the girls and I go out for the 3 hours. I haven't interacted with SS except to be present when he's interacting with LO, or saying hello when he's around and I'm in the kitchen or something. My SO supports this completely as I did my best to be supportive until it was too much for me. SS says my disengagement is still not enough - he wants me to not live here at all which is NOT gonna happen. He has informed me he'll be happy if I die, so that BM, BM's bf, and SO can raise DD, LO, and SS all together, which, again, will never happen.
Sorry, realizing my post wasn't clear. BM demanding all kinds of stuff about me which SO refused to supply as it's none of her business. She does not have any of my contact info either, as her co-parent is my SO, not me. BM used to call the cops on SO if he didn't respond fast enough during visits which caused a ton of problems. We actually had to get police and child services involved ourselves in order to get her to stop. Nowadays, she gets the run-down at pick up and bitches about SO being "unreasonable about contact".
SO is working with both a lawyer and a therapist to determine how to proceed. I'm letting him handle it as it is his son, not mine. I had hoped to be a bonus adult, with zero intent to be a mom or anything other than trusted adult. BM has made that impossible by encouraging SS behaviours and even, we have learned, rewarding his bad behaviour with ice cream after every visit.
You and SO need to put your collective foot on BM's throat,
and stomp repeatedly (figuratively of course). Have her served with a Cease and Desist from your attorney, file an RO/PO against BM to counter her manipulation, take the extensive docummentation of BM;s crap and rub her nose in that stench in front of a Judge.
And... introduce BM's toxic progeny to the corner where he stands holding the intersecting planes together with his nose for hsi behavioral crap. Until you and daddy get tired. THis kid cannot be tolerated to disrupt the peace of the home and the family experience for younger, or older children.
The good news, there may be time to save this kid from the shallow and polluted end of his gene pool but it is going to take absolute zero tolerance for BM's manipulative crap and absolute zero tolerance for SS-5's behavioral crap.
Do not let the "but he is only a child" naivete distract from the goal of baring BM's toxic ass and keeping this kid tightly confined by clear standards of behavior and standards of performance when he is in your home.
Good luck.
You will all need it.
Might be too late
I'm just a (not married yet) step mom who is as disengaged as possible for my and my daughters mental well being. SO is the one who has to handle all of that. He has stuff drawn up with a lawyer, but at this point is working with a therapist to decide if he wants to terminate his own rights or not before proceeding one way or another. SO has been dealing with this for so long, and is just drained. His therapist has suggested that SS is showing traits of psychopathy and recommends putting SS in therapy(BM refuses because "baby boy is perfect. Not his fault you're a shit dad"). What SO does know so far is that he doesn't want larger custody as he knows what that would do to me and the girls, let alone himself. I am entirely hand-off with his choice except when he chooses to talk about it because it's his child and his decision. I don't want to influence him one way or another. That's why the therapist.
I am so conflicted though, because that's his son, and I don't want him to have to make this choice one way or another... but also, he's basically an emotional terrorist and our entire household dreads his visits. It's rough. SO does everything he can to attempt to deal with it - time outs, privilege removal, stern talking to, etc. Everything except spanking/0hysical punishment for obvious reasons (he's 5, BM is nuts, etc). Literally nothing works because the kid knows it's only 3 hours. He can just wait it out. PLUS - I've learned this evening that BM takes him out for ice cream after every visit as a "reward for being a good boy" which is just cementing his behaviour. Basically, we're screwed.
Never let him alone around
Never let him alone around your baby. ETA does your DH do anything when SS acts that way? Has there ever been a consequence for his misbehavior or does the kid just act like a little sh!t until DH either cries or sends him home?
Absolutely!
I never have and never will allow it. I am always right with LO when he is around, and watching like a hawk when they interact.
DH does a truly insane amount to attempt to deal. Time outs, privilege removal, stern talking to. Not spanking for obvious reasons(BM being nuts). Nothing gets through. This 5 year old will sit in time out for the specified time, DH will attempt to talk to him, and the kid will stonewall and sit in the corner for the entire 3 hours and not even be bothered. I've literally never seen anything like it before, but SS honestly has zero f*cks to give. He's here for only 3 hours at a time and he knows that his mom won't let him stay longer than that for any reason, so he knows he just has to wait it out. Literally nothing DH does has any effect.
Learned a fun thing - BM takes him for ice cream after every visit as a "reward for being a good boy" so... yeah. We're screwed.
The kid is clearly struggling
The kid is clearly struggling. He's 4 and only sees his father few hours per week.
Can't believe your SO is thinking about signing away his rights. Seems a very radical option. I think your SO should just suck it up and take responsibility for procreating with a lousy person, instead of playing the victim, running away and basically dropping his 4-year-old like a hot potato.
Imagine if his kid grows up and asks dad why he signed away his rights. What's his answer gonna be?
"Because when you were four years old, you were a mean bully and a psychopath, and I, a 31-year-old, couldn't handle it"
BM is trying to CONTROL everything
Don't answer her texts. Let her call the police. Nothing saids that your SO who the father must answer the BM in any amount of time. Once a week is good. You must control your life and home
Time for SO to do some real learning and reading
Suggest that he read up on parental alienation syndrome. Its what is going on. SS is being rewarded for his bad behavior at dads house and treating SM like dirt. There are also things called loyalty binds to read up on. Loyalty to BM is the highest good to this kid. Encourage SO to document EVERYTHING possible. Take video recordings when SS acts out, document as much as you possibly can.
For you, read around on here. There are parents that have spent hundreds and thousands on legal fees to keep their kids and visitation, but if the BM fights tooth and nail, the courts typically side with BM. However, the laywer should have better advice as each situation is different. Sometimes the judge decides that BM is a whack job and that child needs bio dad in his life.
If SO signs away all rights, that will show SS that he didnt want to be a father to him and later down the road the kid will have resentment. It always happens.
But dont allow SS to continue his emotional terrorism. I know its draining, however SO can have limited visitation somewhere else thats not the house.
I could have written
Word for word your experience. My advice knowing what I know now is to BAIL OUT aka RUNNNN!
You’ll be amazed at how many of these biomums
*crazy*Themselves are lying cheating whores yet call their ex's new wife or partner a half naked whore. Yawn, its so righr out of vindictive exwife playbook. The responding within 2 mins nonsense, is all anout control and confirming to her ego that everything revolves around her.
there comes a time where you need to put your foot down and cut off that supply of power over you that she currently has
My SO's brother's second BM
My SO's brother's second BM was like that. Basically weaponized his 2 daughters to hate him and make life miserable when they visited. The problem was, after a while they learned they could use those behaviors on her, too. She created 2 monsters and then she tried to act like a victim because she had to live with monsters. A few summers ago it all came to a head and it was a huge ordeal. You can't raise a kid to be a little sh!t and expect him to only be a little sh!t when you want him to be. He will just be a sh!tty kid. It's sad for him.
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RUUUUUNNNNNN!