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Finally realising that it doesn't get any better.

Decentlady's picture

I will be married five years this summer. And the dependency of his ex wife and three adult kids is getting worse. SD26 is living her passion which doesn't pay much, SS25 is trying his hand at working a normal job which doesn't pay much and SD 21 just announced that she's pregnant. Her boyfriend is not in a position to take care of the baby.
I have two kids BD 21 who is working hard at her studies and BS 12 who can never do anything right in DH59 eyes. He is a kid for goodness sake.

I work and I am studying. I am 42. I contribute to the household expenses (utilities, food,housekeeping) and my kids expenses. My DH owns the property. He owns the property where the ex-wife and kids stay and he pays all of the expenses they incur. Ex wife does not work. Before we married, he insisted on a pre-nup. I agreed because I was not marrying him for his money. I had no assets. And because he's so much older than me, I pursued my MBA so that I could show the world that I did not marry him for his money. What I borrow from him, I pay back.

I just feel so despondent about the latest development. He didn't even ask me how I feel about the situation. He is just coughing up to take care of SD living and accommodation expenses.

Our relationship is so one sided. I am always doing things to help keep the family together and he never appreciates that. I can't give him money so I shower him with love and attention and cook him meals, pack him the best of lunches etc. to show him I love him. But he's so blind... He can't see it or me anymore. I am so depressed.

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FrenchPeas's picture

You're being a doormat. You are depressed? The only person you can change is you. You're being subservient by your own admission. Get a job. Get some money. Get out.

Boy, he's got his cake and eating it too.

Decentlady's picture

Thanks for all your comments. I appreciate them. Yes, I see that I am a doormat.I am starting to realise that. I do love to cook and take care of my kids just the same so it's not a problem to care for him too. I do love him. His ex just rides him and so does his kids. He's so gentle and kind so they take advantage and he allows it. He is an enabler. It's so hard to be on your own and I am so afraid to make a decision right now. I don't know how else to make him happy. He treats my BS well but at times, he can be harsh with his viewpoint yet his kids are all problematic. I have another year of study left. I do work and earn a good salary but my daughters university fees is draining me at the moment. Another three years to go...

Also, I see that I could be co-dependent. I have no friends and no activity outside of my marriage. I need to start building a separate identity again. Baby steps...

MommyMayI's picture

You can't really blame him for wanting to support his kids. You would do the same for your kids if you needed to. I am sure you would t hold their hand but if they needed you, you would be there. The bm situation is ridiculous! Unless he is obligated to pay spousal support, there is no reason why he needs to take care of her. I would try talking g to him about it either alone or in counseling. Also, I would completely disengage from the step family. I would t give them any of my money, I wouldn't help support dh if he chooses to support, and I wouldn't engage in any of the stepkids' issues. Your priorities are your education, job, kids, and marriage. Period.

Decentlady's picture

I agree, supporting your kids is a must. But, giving them cars, Internet, cell phones and pocket money as well as medical aid is not going to make them independent sooner. They pay nothing towards utilities and mortgages.

He says that he does it for his kids and the ex just happens to live with his kids. She's bi-polar. So its not his fault that they live with mum. He spent lots of money making the property liveable for them. He did that for the previous property that they lived in but it was too small for them (4 people; 4 bedrooms) so they moved into the bigger property. (5 bedrooms, 2 lounges, 3 baths). Now, the eldest is moving out so it's just the 3 of them.

He would never loan me money for a down payment on a property in my name which I can rent out. But, I can try...

Decentlady's picture

Well, surprise,surprise...DH mention that he wanted to buy another property in the vicinity where he works and he mentioned to me that he doesn't treat me like a doormat and that I feel that way. So, I snatched upon the opportunity to suggest that he give me a down payment for a property that I can buy in my own name and rent out so that if things don't work out then I have some place to go.

Well, first he said property isn't a good investment idea right now. I said but you just mentioned that you wanted to buy a property. I said I feel like a doormat because unlike other marriages, I feel that we are not building an asset together. It's five years later and I have just paid the expenses for his household with my INCOME and I have nothing to show for all my hard work . I said that I might has well have stayed home theses past five years. Then he tried to make out that my expenses are not so much so I again broke it down.

Then he said that you're paying university fees so I said yes, I am at that stage of my life where I must pay fees same as you paid for courses etc. for your kids(silly expensive courses where they can't find good paying jobs). I didn't mention the continuous failures and extended period to obtain a first qualification/courses which he bank rolled. I could see that he won't let me have the down payment so I just said: "Leave it,I will wait until BD is finished with university and then I will save for a down payment. I said it will take me two to three years". I also mentioned that the prenuptial is structured in such a way that whatever I buy will form part of our joint estate. But he wasn't biting.
Before I joined this websites, I would have fallen for his kind words this morning but now I see that it's a form of control over me to keep me from leaving. He doesn't realise when you love someone, you don't make them feel insecure.
The next morning he says: you're my last chance at happiness. I will be sad if you leave me. There will be no one after you.

twoviewpoints's picture

Agree, Tommar. OP went in knowing the terms. The guy is a spit from sixty. When she married him (he was 52)the guy had spent up to 34yrs building his money and future security.

twoviewpoints's picture

How many households here split their routine monthly expenses? Mortgage/rent, utilities, groceries? Why does this guy 'owe it to his wife' not to contribute?

In my state, even without a prenup whatever the guy had prior to the marriage remains his (as long as its kept separate) we're not a community property state. Here it is marriage property. Meaning what is earned/built during that particular marriage.

Decentlady's picture

Hi, you are all quite right. I accepted less because I thought that a little is better than nothing.

DH paid his ex wife out her 50% and gave her a house. But she spent everything and lost the house and car he gave her. Alimony stopped 6 years ago but he still helps her financially with no repayment. She pleads ignorance in budgeting.

As for me, even though I pay the expenses in his household, every cent I spend on my kids must be explained to him. My kids dad is an absent father who earns very little. He pays minimal maintenance and medical aid. So I pay all my kids other expenses. He tells me that his kids mum is an "absent" mother too. So its the same for him as it is for me.

The prenuptial was his lawyer. I had no assets to declare. I lost everything in my divorce and was saddled with debt since it was in my name.

He's coughing up 250k to build his pregnant daughter a garden flat to live in. But, it's an asset before marriage so I don't benefit from the expense. Thing is, he is using money saved from our marriage to build the property.
What are my rights? Should I be asking him where the money for the property is coming from?

twoviewpoints's picture

Back-up. If you have to ask him where the money for the property is coming from, how do you 'know' its coming from any money saved during (thus also earned ) during your marriage.

notsobad's picture

"He's coughing up 250k to build his pregnant daughter a garden flat to live in. But, it's an asset before marriage."

I don't understand this. You are married and have been for 5 years, this is a new asset. Even if it is an addition to property he owned before the marriage, he is improving it and that makes it joint now.

You need to have your own lawyer go over the prenup. I'm not saying you should take anything that isn't yours but you definitely need another opinion on what is legally yours.

twoviewpoints's picture

He can sink all the pre-marriage money on a house as a gift to his daughter, his son and a stranger down the street... doesn't make it a marriage asset. In fact doesn't make the new house his asset if he freely gives it away no strings attached. It' not a personal acquired asset just because he foot the bill.

notsobad's picture

What pre marriage money? He had an asset, the house his ex and kids live in, when they got married and it's his as per the prenup. As soon as he adds on to it after they got married he's using marital funds and the upgrades are now marital property, to the tune of 250K.
Unless he can prove that he also had 250K before the marriage and that cash (or asset) was included in the prenup.

He's not gifting anything to anyone. He's using money earned inside their marriage to upgrade his asset.

moeilijk's picture

Meh. Things happen. It wasn't so long ago a story appeared about a woman who developed a gambling addiction as a result of a taking a certain antidepressant. Why should her husband have to be bankrupted by that?

Decentlady's picture

Hi all, I pay half for the non existent mortgage. He says it's not his fault that he paid off the mortgage with his own money so he 'pretends' there is a mortgage payment in conjunction with the household costs. We then divide the amount 1 to 3 since I must pay for my 2 kids as well. So, I end up paying for all the expenses in his property.

He felt that I shouldn't benefit from his pre-marriage money. The interest saved by paying off the mortgage is his saving.

I'm really just a room mate and cook. The bedroom is non existent.
No, I didn't know that he would be supporting his ex wife and adult kids this far down the line. Ex wife spent all her assets so he had to take care of her because she lives with the kids.

Decentlady's picture

Hi, it's actually 3 thirds. I pay for myself and two kids and he pays for himself. He did loan me 100k to pay off my debt from the previous marriage which he will re-coup on dissolution of the marriage. So I owe him 100k.

notsobad's picture

Wow, you need to talk to a lawyer.

Your marriage may end over this and you may be labeled a gold digger but you are being taken advantage of.

Just because he helped you out of debt and was there for you financially in the past doesn't mean you have to support him and his ex and kids and grandkids now. You and he need to renegotiate.

Its one thing to protect what you came in with but he's charging you rent and letting his ex live for free! That is wrong on so many levels!

DarkStar's picture

I am not trying to beat you when you are down but WTF woman!
You are my age. Not some 20 something with no life experience. You have gotten yourself into quite a mess. Never in a million years would I allow someone much less my husband treat me like this.

First I think you should get some therapy as you go through this process. Hopefully discover why your self-esteem is such that you would allow your husband to treat you like a second class citizen.

This can be changed. STOP paying any and all household expenses that are not in your name. If you have any joint accounts take your money and separate finances. Immediately.
Hopefully the household expenses are all in your husband's name. If he squawks just explain that you are taking back the years of fake mortgage payments. Save Save Save and get an exit plan.
He cannot kick you out of the home. You are married and regardless that he owns the home you have tenant rights.

Decentlady's picture

Hi, let's revist. The house I asked him to fund a downpayment for will form part of the joint property bought in marriage. In other words, it's his asset. I did not give the complete picture. Initially, he wanted me to buy a property in my name but in a rural area for retiring to. Next, he wanted a property near his work place. I would rather use my credit worthiness to buy an income generating property in an urban area of my choosing. It's my credit that he would be using.

If the marriage dissolves, I would need to pay him out. Hopefully with a degree and a better paying job, I will be able to afford to do so.

The 100k was a loan. I have to pay it back. I didn't ask for it. He felt that I could save on the interest repayment and pay him instead. Even if it is just a notational mortgage repayment. I guess that balances it out. I was naive when I signed the pre nup and I am paying the price now. Situations change, part of getting an education in the last 5 years has revealed my folly.
He does not want his daughter to marry so he will take care of her and his grandchild. He said her boyfriend cannot afford to take care of the baby.
I guess the fact that he never included me in his decision making hurt.
In any event, thank you for all your comments. I appreciate the balanced view. There is so much more but it's such a long story...

Decentlady's picture

Frankly, I am not sure. He won't give me a straight answer but, he did make me sign for the loan. It's actually 8333.00 US dollars and not 100 000 US dollars.

Decentlady's picture

Frankly, I am not sure. He won't give me a straight answer but, he did make me sign for the loan. It's actually 8333.00 US dollars and not 100 000 US dollars.

Decentlady's picture

Frankly, I am not sure. He won't give me a straight answer but, he did make me sign for the loan. It's actually 8333.00 US dollars and not 100 000 US dollars.

Decentlady's picture

My bad my dear readers 100k is not US dollars. It's my country currency. The US dollar equivalent would be 8333.00 US Dollars. That's the value of the loan. Lol, no wonder you all think badly of me! I would too!

Decentlady's picture

Thanks for all the comments. What remains is really no good reason to remain married. He interrogates me about money spent on my kids and we only do activities he likes doing with his family and friends. He feels that my family is too jovial. He likes the quite life. I am good to his kids, cook for them and clean up after them when they visit and he's so nice to me when they leave. They even take a take away for their mother. Who never says thank you or return my food containers. When I ask for them back DH gets upset with me.
I have no friends. No identity of my own. No life outside of his. Some times, I leave my kids on a Sunday to make the long drive to visit his mum. I usually make lunch as well.
I always do what he wants. Watch the movies he likes if he ever does go out .
Whilst his ex who squandered her money sits home and gets money from him, pays no rent and lives her life without answering to him.
Yet, I must give an account of my expenses.
At least I am finally seeing the light. It is more than just the money. I am working hard, studying. I want to show my kids that you can learn from mistakes.

moeilijk's picture

Good for you for realizing that you're not happy and what you want in your life.

You're the only one in charge of what you do, how you spend your time, energy and money. So go live the life that makes you happy. Everyone learns from experience. Just don't waste too much energy blaming your husband, that's a distraction from making yourself happy.

hereiam's picture

The money thing aside, it just doesn't sound much like a partnership.

Even when I have given my sister money from MY account, I discuss it with my DH. We are partners, though we do not have one joint account.

I get what you have been trying to say, it's not all about the actual money. There's a message behind it.