Failure to launch SS
I am miserable with a man i love dearly. How is that possible. We have 3 kids living at home. My 16yo and 13yo and his 22yo. My issue is the 22yo. He moved in from living with his mom who basically kicked him out. He is completely rude and disrespectful to his dad. His conversational ability in my opinion is that of a 13/15 year old. He sleeps all day long, wakes up on average maybe 4pm (might be 2pm one day 5pm another). Games all night long and comes down to eat anywhere between 1am and 330am. (I know this because I get woken up by pots/ pans and dishes banging around and need to still get up and go to work.
One instance He was woken up at 1030am and complained). Now, dont get me wrong...he will come down at around 6/7pm for his one chore of feeding 2 dogs once a day. Mostly comes down on his own accord but his dad still has to text him to remind him at times (more times than i think is acceptable for an 22yo) and does just sleep through the dogs dinner time here and there as well. Recently we went on vacation and had to get a dog sitter that we paid for because he can't be trusted to put in the effort to watch them. And my 16yr old who stayed with a friend had to come and let the dog out in the afternoon because he would be sleeping at that time. When his dad mentioned that we shouldn't have to pay someone he said "oh well!" This incident was the second time I had spoke up and voiced my opinion and basically said "no it's not oh well, it's bullshit, we shouldn't have to pay anyone and I don't like how you talk to your dad either." (In which his dad did not stick up for me said absolutely nothing and felt bad for his son). The other time I spoke up was when his dad has been asking him to pay $150 towards groceries (which I think should be on top of paying rent...but he doesn't and that is another issue) He said ok at one point, but he went weeks and weeks with not paying. That is when I stepped and flat out asked "have you paid your dad yet" his answer "uh....no!" When he did finally pay, his mom took to the ATM and she texted his dad later to "confirm" that i..ME...got MY money! Again, his dad did not stick up for me.. he let them believe I wanted the money. That is not the case. I make just over 6 figures. It is the principle of not letting him freeload and do nothing. Now he has been forced to buy groceries because i basically stopped filling the fridge and buying snacks or drinks. I refuse to let him use/freeload off me. I buy groceries for what I'm making for dinner and snacks for my kids for school lunches are put in my closet. You are probably wondering at this point does he have a job. Yes. He drives around a mobile pet clinic on Saturday and Sunday. His dad has told him to get another job but his excuse is that he is too busy getting stuff done for an air traffic controller job he is suppose to be getting. Now mind you that was months and months and months ago and he had to take maybe 5 days (one day here one day there) for testing and paperwork. But that is taking up too much time to work during the week. He's been in college here and there for the past couple years....which his dad pays for, and drives the car, that his dad paid for, with the insurance that his dad pays for and also got in an accident and used the health insurance that his dad pays for. His dad and I barely argued at all until he moved in. You might be wondering why I keep saying "his dad" well because I am just the girlfriend. We are not married for a number of reasons. We'll first I was kept a secret because he wasn't sure is then 15 and 18 year old could handle him dating someone, it might be too much. (Are u kidding). Then after a year and a half of dating I got sick and tired of him being used by his ex and him paying her way more than just child support because she wouldn't get a job. He said it was for his kids. No...it is because she won't get a job to support her kids. So, I told him don't ask me to marry you unless you stop paying her more than she is suppose to get. Guess what he decided to do. He choose her over me and pit his plans to propose to me on hold so he could keep paying her more. And during that time I was paying ALL THE BILLS. Now yes he was saving up to buy a house but could have saved more and not have to borrow money from his parents if he wasn't shelling out money to her which she didn't deserve and justcenabled her to stay at home. And now I HIGHLY doubt we will be engaged anytime soon because of the fighting him living here is causing (and on top of that i am currently contemplating on moving out). And it's not the fact he lives here, it is the free loading and does not help around the house at all, except the dishwasher being loaded here and there. But still has complained when the maids didn't come one week. Then there is little things like, he shoves his face with too much food then literally lays on the kitchen floor and moans and groans. And that has been multiple times. Interjects himself into conversations inappropriately. Tell me please. Am I being a unreasonable.
Should I have more patience? Willing to answer any questions?
Case in point- 13yo does chores around the house for money. And the recent vacation was a treat for her because she helped emmensely with 11 foster puppies. And almost all of the helped was not asked. now she does talk out ear off and can get annoying with that. But all in all a great kid
16yo. Does have a job. Currently hadn't worked for summer as she goes to her dad's. But typically works after school and on weekends. I take $50 from her pay to go towards her cell/expenses every pay. Now that will be adjusted from time to time depending on what she earns. Half of her pay goes to savings right off the bat. Now she is a slob. Leaves crap wherever she goes (wrappers, socks, clothes, shoes...anything) but on the other hand will clean the entire main floor without being asked. Sometimes it's when some friends are coming over. And she does have the typical 16yo entitled bratty remarks.
As for my BF, I love him dearly. He is a wonderful man. Is amazing to all 3 of my children. Does anything and everything for me but when it comes to enabling his son I am at my whits end. The way he attempts to ask his son to do or not do something is like a suggestion and not enforced. All the decisions regarding him are made to make my boyfriends life easier while I am beyond miserable. I am completely resentful.
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I’m confused at the amount of
I’m confused at the amount of kids here…you have two, but later say three? Your SO has one or possibly two? Aside from that it’s good you aren’t married, this man is throwing flags like he’s a referee on Sunday. Kept you a secret (red flag), allows his ex to still control and manipulate him (red flag), caters to his kid(s) (red flag).
I have an 18 yo son that
I have an 18 yo son that moved after graduation this year. He has an 18 yr old that still lives with his mom. The ex kicked out the 22 yo for freeloading and moved in here.
He choose her over me and pit
He choose her over me and pit his plans to propose to me on hold so he could keep paying her more. And during that time I was paying ALL THE BILLS.
And, you are still with him?
You are absolutely not unreasonable and have had quite enough patience. I would, at the very least, be living separately at this point. Why should you be miserable because your BF is a piss poor father and partner?
I wouldn't say piss poor.
I wouldn't say piss poor. He is very caring but is an enabler. He doesn't like confrontation. Parents out of guilt and too afraid to put his foot down and it pisses me off.
If that's not "piss-poor
If that's not "piss-poor parenting" then what is? Because you've highlighted only two areas where he is decent: as a provider (which could be debatable because he ends up using your money and wasting your time doing that) and as someone with a baseline emotion of loving their kid. That's barely even meeting the minimum bar for what it means to be a parent.
So is BM paying the "rent"
So is BM paying the "rent" for your SS22?
Sounds like he needs to be told to have a job working at least 30 hrs a week by September 30th. If he doesn't he will be evicted. The only reason I say 30 hrs is because so many employers won't hire retail and other jobs at full time so they don't have to give benefits.
BM does not pay anything.
BM does not pay anything. BF was actually paying the mortgage for her on top of all the bills and child support and alimony. That finally stopped in June.
As for working. That is exactly what I have been saying. And I also have said wifi needs to be turned off or put parental controls on so he can't game all night.
I mean that is a simple but
I mean that is a simple but effective way to piss him off enough to get a job! Worked with my SS and the threat of it alone worked for BS16 when he was told he had to get a part time job to pay for his auto insurance (we bought his car, he has to pay 1/2 of his insurance and his own gas).
That is tough
That is tough. Normally I would say kick him out, but his being autistic makes it difficult for him to live on his own. Maybe you could hire a cleaning lady a few times a week and put locks on the soda? Anything to make your life easier while he is there and keep him from doing things that are harmful to himself. If he works, can you charge him appropriate rent for his situation?
possibly wrong post?
possibly wrong post?
I think this was for my post!
I think this was for my post! We do charge rent that we have in a savings account for him that he doesn't know about. He has over 10K in it. So that is great for him one day if he get's his license or does actually move out.
I really don't have anywhere that I could put locks on soda, if I tell him to stop drinking it he will leave and walk to the gas station up the road to get a GIANT cup and suck it down before he comes home. He just isn't smart enough to know that I see that GIANT cup in the trash can and know what he did LOL
He isn't autistic.
He isn't autistic.
I did comment that I empathize with the lady in one of the blogs that has an autistic SS she is dealing with by herself right now.
My BFs son just is being a unmotivated freeloader.
Ugh. That's all I've got.
Ugh.
That's all I've got.
Sorry, I just couldn't deal
Sorry, I just couldn't deal with someone who pours his money into his ex's pocket and who enables a lazy moocher in your home. I would have lost all respect for him some time ago.
You have a BF issue here.
You have a BF issue here. There is no point speaking up out of frustration, (and good for you in doing so!) as it needs to come from Dad. You would be the villain and white noise until your BF stands up and sticks up for you. I speculate here by saying your relationship with your BF without his sons influence must be working for you. I think you deserve better though. So many red flags here that have a substantial weight in your relationship to make it rocky. Your BF isn't willing to propose to you, as he sees coddling his 22 yo deadbeat son, and paying his ex more important. That's so wrong! SS sees how his dad isn't putting you first, and his disrespect will never change. I can see your resentment and frustration will impact your mental health. It's so hard living with someone (SS) you have no control over as it is. Ontop of that, you aren't supported in your concerns by the one person that has the control to help you (BF). I don't mean to be negative here, just trying to help you understand that the blame isn't SS, but your unsupportive BF. You deserve someone that will put you first. Have a think about life with this man, I can't see you being happy long term unless he changes.
Yes I do agree with your view
Yes I do agree with your view as well. That is why I am thinking moving is in my mind. When I told him he said absolutely nothing. Later he said because I don't want to fight with you again over this. And he is right we are fighting all the time. In my head if you don't want to fight then do something about the problem. I don't know.....in one part of my life he is the best thing that has ever happened to me and in another part of my life I am miserable here. It is very hard
He sees it as a fight.. but
He sees it as a fight.. but isn't it something you should be able to do have a discussion and communicate with each other.. even if it's about issues you either may not agree on... or are high stakes emotionally?
If you see enough in the relationship that is worth saving.. have you considered couple's counseling.. maybe figure out how to communicate without him seeing it as a fight.
Maybe he sees your points as attacking him or his son? Maybe he has equal issues with your kids (in his mind).. but doesn't bring them up? maybe he thinks.. my kid.. my parenting.. you butt out.. but if it is affecting you.. and living in your home does.. paying his EX more than he has been requrired does (does he still pay her?).
But, you also need to understand in your own mind.. what do you want? what are your hills to die on? What are realistic options.. what are things you may need to learn to accept?
Thank you for your input.
Thank you for your input. He does see it as a fight or me picking on his son. The moment he moved in I said there should be rules and he should pay at least something but his side was. He just got kicked out of his mom's house let's let him settle in and then he will talk to him. So his son moved in just willy nilly no boundaries or rules and that went on for weeks. Now since we weren't proactive everything is reactive, address issues as they come. It's always I'll talk to him about it. And nothing between us is ever resolved. I am the only one passionate about being against a 22yo with no direction, responsibilities or rules should be corrected. And yes you are right. If his dad and mom dont care if he is successful then why do i. I have thought about that over and over. Another reason why me moving out might be best. With that, when things are brought up my emotions are involed 1 because I do not parent that way, and 2 I do not feel heard. I feel like this 22yo runs the roost both in the house and especially in our relationship. I feel I have to be miserable and a tight lip with no opinion so everything is easy on him (both BF and 22yo). And he does get annoyed with my 16yo.....so do I, she is a slob. I do not see my kids as angels. And I call them out on their BS behavior in the moment..... But in the same breath all of my children spend time with him, have conversations with him, ask his advice. Only time his son comes down is to eat and talk like a jerk to my BF. So yea. I am not innocent. I do realize all said about this situation is my opinions. That's actually why I started this blog. To get others opinions, advice, ideas.
I do realize the BM did a number on his son's and raised them to view him as an ATM and he is parenting out of guilt. But the key word is parent. Not friend. I just can't make that be okay for the behavior. And I'm not sure I can change that view
My knowledge is that he does not pay her anymore. But I couldn't confirm that. He actually compared me to her about being helped when an ex needs monetary help. But is isn't a comparison I HELP OUT MY BABBY DADDY when he needed money in the past...or couldn't pay child support. I pay my kids insurance, their cells, all academic fees, any out of the ordinary expenses....isn't that what child support is for. As you can see that pissed me off.
I did ask for counseling though. Nothing has been followed through by him or me. That does need to be done.
career choice
Is SS's career goal realistic? To get into the training one has to pass the FAA test and have three years of progressively responsible work experience, or a Bachelor's degree, or a combination of post-secondary education and work experience that totals three years, and more. Did SS actually apply? The 2022 application window closed in June. One has to apply, and be selected, to take the test.
If he applied he could still be waiting to see if he was selected. If he didn't apply, .....
https://www.faa.gov/levelup
He passed the test. Got a
He passed the test. Got a tentative offer. It's been months and months since then though. Still needs a seat in the school and has to pass all the stress tests. Aptitude wise I'm sure he would be good hes a smart kid...my concern for him...which his dad nor mom is thinking about is preparing him for responsibility, pressure and stress that a job like that would take. I mean my career is in DoD, my boss who my BF met was an air force pilot. Boss basically layed out anyone in ATCS needs to be a bad ass with nerves....BF just didnt get it. He had a USAF pilot talking to him and how hard it was and BF just said..."yea i heard its hard, we will see"
I mean I most certainly want to see him succeed but honestly BF is setting up for failure by not being "too hard" on him. When I called the kid out on his "oh well" comment he could barely get it together. I am 10 times harder on my kids. And this school is 50 times worse then my "not oh well" comment"
If he passed the test, and is
If he passed the test, and is waiting for his seat, there is hope that he'll be out of the house. Hopefully, the school is not near your home, and his first job is far away.
I don't think anyone.. OP or
I don't think anyone.. OP or her boss will get much traction trying to point out to daddy that his kid may not have the intestinal fortitude to handle a high stress job like that. It's also entirely possible that the experiences and ideas of OP and her Boss are more "dated" and that with the difficulty in hiring and retaining employees.. there have been changes to the program and job to somehow make it a bit easier and less stressful.
Ultimately, it IS a job where someone's life or liberty is at stake. That is my bellweather as to how much pressure you will have at a job.. Doctor/medical field, Lawyer, Police, Fire/Rescue/EMS, Air Traffic Controller.. all can have mistakes that will cost someone their life (or in the case of a lawyer.. their liberty) So.. it is not something someone should lightly go into.
I don't know if there is any reason why he couldn't be encouraging his kid to be more proactive in following up about the offer though.. but it seems he has his hackles up at this point.
Your bf enables his ex and
Your bf enables his ex and his adult son, but you enable him to do it. You paid all the bills?? Why?? His adult son free loads - why are accepting this? Why have you given away all your power, and why are you okay with your own kids watching you accept this nonsense?
People do what they do, and what they're ALLOWED to do. You've allowed this guy to get away with walking over you, so he and his son will keep doing it until YOU do something about it. Stop paying more than your share (3/5s of the household), and then tell this guy to move out. You won't get respect any other way.