Therapy

Forthelifeoftheparty's picture

DH and I have decided to do marriage counseling. He admitted to me today that he does not love me anymore, but that he tries to. I think that is reasonable because of how often we argue. How can you love someone who is always sad and upset? But the thing is, I'm not always sad and upset. Every day I care for my two young children at home. We paint, sing, dance, read books. I teach them how to interact peacefully with one another despite misunderstanding. So why is it so hard for me to be "good" when it comes to my DH? Well, I guess because I feel lied to. I feel tangled up. I feel root bound.

My DH is good with our children too. When he gets home from work, and when he has time, he does a nice job being a dad. We both agree on many things about how to raise our kids, and about the world in general. So I don't think DH is a bad person. I don't think I am either. I think I am profoundly unskilled in a couple of areas. And I am also willing to admit that we are both contributing to an abusive marriage with one another. My yelling. His silence. My discontent. His unwillingness to put up boundaries with the community.

I think we both need to learn how to forgive each other and then without any pressure, allow ourselves to either fall in love again with each other or move on to better relationships while co-parenting respectfully. 

What I hope to tell the therapist is this:
I feel swallowed up by my husband's town, social connections, career choices. 
Example 1: We got out to have a date, and our date is interrupted by DH's friend or acquaintance. Oftentimes, the person sits down at our table after being invited by DH. These interactions take up our precious date time away from the kids. DH looks at me and says, "Are you OK with them sitting down for a moment?" He says this after he has invited the person to sit down and visit. I always smile and say it's ok. If I said, No, I'd be labeled a total bit**. I am pleasant. But it really hurts my feelings that my DH has such poor boundaries. 
Example 2: I used to work in schools as an assistant or substitute teacher. I don't feel like I can do that anymore because DH's ex and SS22 have gossiped so much about me. People are unfriendly to me when they find out who I am married to. I have even had someone ask quite boldly and rudely, "Soooo how old ARE you anyway?" Or ..."So...how did you two get together?"
Example 3: I have attended DH's church with him on and off for 7 years. People are nice there. But I have never made any deeper friendships or connections beyond small talk. Meanwhile, DH has deep lasting friendships with people there who he has known for nearly 20 years. I think this is great for him. But it is not great for me. 
I feel like he squeezed me into his life, rather than chose to make a new life with me. 
Example 4:  We live in DH's home, in his town, near his family. All of our major financial decisions are to prepare for his financial goals. I am asked about these decisions, but I have never said "no." I wonder what would happen if I did say "no", please don't build another rental property. Please just finish our home like you said you would with the loan you took out.

I feel sad when my husband does not stick up for me in bad situations. I also feel like all the other times he is nice amount to a lie, because when I really need him to stick up for me, he does not.
 Example 1: Someone hunting mushrooms has trespassed on our land near our home for the last 6 years. My husband has never done anything about this trespasser. He always lets me "handle it". I have been breastfeeding my son in the living room and seen someone poking around our backyard. That makes me feel unsafe. And it happens year after year. 
Example 2: SS22 has called me a prostitute, a whore, and has gossiped about me often to people in the community. Despite me looking past his poor behavior and being kind to him, he continued to be awful to me. DH never stuck up for me beyond saying, "that's inappropriate to say, son" or "that's not true." Only after what felt like the hundredth time SS22 said these types of things to me over YEARS, and after I cried and sobbed over it, DH agreed that my home should be a safe space for me. He now chooses to see SS22 outside our home. SS22 is not allowed at our home or in our yard.
Example 3: A loose dog wandered onto our property three times in a matter of a couple of weeks. This dog was one of the breeds of dogs known to be aggressive. My DH let me handle it. When the dog's owner was in our driveway screaming at me, DH calmly sat at his desk doing paperwork inside. He would not stick up for me and help me handle this nutbag who was angry at me for telling him that his dog needs to be contained. 
Example 4:  SD16 stole expensive items from me and watched me worry over losing them for MONTHS. When I found them in her closet hidden away in a box, DH did NOTHING about it. He did not talk to her or address her theft for MONTHS. I'm talking like 4 or 5 months. Finally when I lost something and thought she had taken it, he said something to her about her thefts. When she sneered, "I only feel bad when I steal from CERTAIN people, dad," DH had nothing to say in response. 

I feel very hurt when my DH gets down on me for the house being untidy. I feel like he doesn't want me in his life and sees the kids and I as just mess makers and complications. I also feel hurt when he rolls his eyes at purchases I make that improve the lives of our children and makes our house a home. It hurts that he does not consider these financial contributions. DH's argument is that because the money is not earned outside the home by me, that my purchases are not contributing to the "community pot." To me, kids cost money. Not every cent can be saved for the next rental property build. We have to live, too!
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Things I spend my money DH gives me each month on: zoo membership, kids' clothing, kids' furniture, furniture for our home, groceries, fuel costs to get to the zoo, education expenses for my son.

Now that I work 40 hours a week nights, and continue to care for the children during the day, DH has asked me at what point will my money be given to him to build more rental property so that he can retire in 10 years. I resent this question because I feel like our home being 100% done and enjoyable is more important than his retirement plan that I may or may not get to enjoy with him in 15 years. Even though I can see that retirement is an important thing to be prepared for, I still have many years of work ahead of me. At least 25 years worth of full time work. DH has a fear that I am going to leave him as soon as he "gets old." What he doesn't realize is that I have already noticed him "getting older" in many ways, and I don't mind it. I am unhappy in our marriage for other reasons, not because of his age. 

Housework
We both contribute. But I do the majority. AND I work 40 hours a week nights. AND I care for the children full time. So for you commentors who say I'm some sort of gold digger stereotype, the world is just not that simple. I have the most wonderful job and it greatly improves my self worth and my mood. I get to leave the house, leave town, and be who I am. Not some sad woman in a sad marriage. I get to be something other than the second wife. Or mom. I get to be a professional who helps others. And I make it work with a couple of naps a day. One in the morning for two hours and one in the afternoon while the baby sleeps. I'm proud of myself for finding out how to earn from outside the home and still care for my kids. 

I make lunch and dinner. DH makes breakfast and coffee.
I do all the laundry. DH will help out if I get behind. This rarely happens anymore, because I get the laundry done.
We both grocery shop. 
I am nearly always "on duty" with the kids, unless I am on my way to work. I will sometimes ask for a half hour to hour "break" after dinner, or for an hour or so on the weekends to work on creative projects. 

Do I have an anger problem? yes. Have I been working on it? Yes. Is this an abusive marriage? yes. Does it have to stay this way? I don't think so.

Comments

JRI's picture

I'm glad you two are going to marriage counseling.  One good sign is that you are being honest about your own failings.  Therapy doesnt work unless people are 1) willing to admit failings and 2) wanting to change things.  Good luck.

missgingersnap2021's picture

I hope counseling helps but I doubt it will. I'm sorry but if my DH EVER said, even once, that he didnt love me anymore our marriage would be over. You sound like someone who is losing their identity. He sounds like someone holding on to you for convienance. (and free hired help). What joy does he bring you? It sounds like you are happiest when you are working and away on business trips. 

He sounds weak and a "Good time Charlie" guy with everyone else but you. My DH actually tries to pick places to eat where he won't run into anyone he knows. (We live in the town he grew up in. My friends and family are in the state I moved from so like you -my life centers around his family and friends somewhat. I still made my own friends once I moved here though)

Forthelifeoftheparty's picture

I think you are right about me losing my identity. I do feel that way. What joy does he bring me? Well, we really enjoy being in bed together. TMI, maybe. But that's the truth. And he also brought me a burrito today, which was nice. 

I've tried to make friends, but I must just be too odd or something. It does not seem to work out. Or everyone really is that busy.

Stepdrama2020's picture

Not trying to be sarcastic or a smart a**.  Your answer for how he makes you happy is that you are good in bed together and he bought you a burrito.

That to me  is  as connected and  deep as a one night stand.

Not trying to make you feel bad, but that stood out for me.

You desereve better hun. I sure hope therapy helps.

Blessings

missgingersnap2021's picture

And coming from an older woman - Don't stay with a man becuase the sex is good becuase menapuase will hit you one day and sex gets bumped down on the priority list. Smile

 

AlmostGone834's picture

A couple things I just want to point out:

- it's not really fair to blame your husband for people wanting to come up and chat during date night. I'm sure he doesn't want to be rude (just as you don't want to be rude either). Perhaps you could agree to going on a date night in another town every so often so you don't always run into people.

- try looking for a substitute job/aid job in a nearby district

- You can absolutely attend separate churches 

- Financial decisions should be somewhat fair and yes the house should be worked on That's not to say you should demand a complete remodel, fancy upgrades etc but sure you're entitled to acceptable furniture. So often I've seen where the guy is the major breadwinner and the girl wants to spend his money on a fancy new top-of-the-line everything for the house where he'd prefer more modest living and saving the $. It can be a struggle to agree for sure. You have to reach a middle ground

- he obviously thought the guy hunting mushrooms and the dog were no big deal and tbh I tend to agree with him (did the dog actually act aggressive? If so then yes it might be a concern for people however I enjoy dogs and even aggressive ones don't really frighten me so it likely wouldn't have bothered me much anyway)

- Equal $ and time should be divided into working and household. 

- Since you are contributing to the cost of new rental builds, I would insist my name be listed on the deed as a co-owner of the new contributed rentals.

- Your SS shouldn't be gossiping about you and your SD shouldn't be stealing from you but join the club for second wives who have husbands that refuse to stick up for them when it comes to the kids. It's not right but it's also a pretty common situation. 

And lastly, marriage is hard. It's especially hard for women who, despite working centuries for equality still take on the majority of the household duties on top of working equally long hours outside the home. Unfortunately it's just the reality for many wives. I for one do 75% of the cleaning, 100% of the cooking and probably 60% of the laundry on top of working equally as hard as my DH in the business. Ideally everything should be 50/50 but it doesn't always happen that way. Sometimes I choose to take on more so there is peace in the home. I also believe things will get a bit easier as your kids get older. 

Forthelifeoftheparty's picture

good advice. I do think it will get easier when the kids are older. And I've considered joining another church. Entirely different religion, actually. I am not interested in a teaching job right now because I have a better job with better pay working nights. I am not interested in putting my toddler in local daycares because the turnover is really bad here. 

My son was bitten by a dog a couple of years ago. So no, I'm not interested in other people's dogs in my yard. Friendly or not. If the dog is unattended, it is a liability. My dog doesn't go in other people's yards. Anyway, the dog bite drew blood and the dog was put down. Sad for everyone. My son wasn't even near the dog, and it charged him and attacked. The guy hunting mushrooms is practically in our backyard. He isn't on an expanse of acerage. Last year when I told him to leave, he said, "Why don't you effing shoot me you effing liberal." Yeah...that was fun. I wouldn't mind if he asked to hunt mushrooms. But he trespasses and then acts like I'm the bother when I ask him to get out of my backyard. 
 

I'm not demanding the newest and fanciest. I assure you. LOL. Just yesterday I made a new pillow sham out of an old dress. I'm quite pleased with it. I enjoy being careful with money, too. But I feel that wires should not be hanging from the ceiling and insulation should not be exposed.

I don't really blame my husband for people wanting to chat with him. I blame him for *inviting* people to sit down with us. Then before you know it, our two hours of babysitting is spent on conversations with people who barely speak to me. They are only interested in my Dh's responses. We often do go to other towns to eat. We end up doubling our babysitting cost because the drive is so long. Pros and Cons.

floralsm's picture

Wow you are on the right track putting your thoughts and life in perspective here. He does not treat you well at all. Goodluck with therapy and I hope you find some healing from it. He needs to be willing to change. Please do not settle and put yourself first. You deserve a life where you are supported in his actions and also supported by love too. Keep your money to yourself and goodluck. 

Forthelifeoftheparty's picture

thank you. I think we both deserve better than what we are giving each other right now. 

ndc's picture

I hope therapy works for you, but from hearing your side, it sounds like you want different things in life and he's not willing to compromise at all.  He sounds selfish and inconsiderate.  Give counseling a try, but you might be much happier without him. 

Rumplestiltskin's picture

When i was in my late teens, i was in a relationship with a man who was in his mid-30s. I didn't feel like a whole person in that relationship. I felt like an accessory. I think the age difference/life stage difference plays a bigger role than people think. Maybe you aren't turning out to be the accessory your DH wanted since you have your own feelings and personality. 

Since you have children with this guy, i think therapy and trying to make it work is the best option. You can't just walk away and start fresh, since you will always be tied to him and if you leave, you will have to give up some custody of your kids. I agree that you should have some of the property in your name if you are contributing to the marital finances.

Also, i suggest trying your best not to give a fk what the townspeople think. Don't relegate yourself to working nights if you don't want to. Live loud and proud. You didn't do anything wrong. Chances are, once people get to know you, they will realize that the lies your SS spread are not true. Something similar happened to me (reputation ruined by ex in "his" town.) Eventually people will see both your true colors and theirs. And if you do divorce and have to stay in the same town for custody reasons, you will have your own life there. 

Forthelifeoftheparty's picture

thank you. I think that if I choose to send my son and daughter to public schools, I will have to figure out how to not give a F and live loud and proud. 

I know this sounds mean, but I find this town very boring and just bleh. I have been having the same conversations of small talk with the same people for 7 years. I think that no matter how many cool new businesses open up or how many fun events the town throws, I will be disatisfied here. Simply because, whenever I go out to any event, I see the same 20 or 25 people.  And no progress happens in my relationship with any of those people. Lots of smiles, politeness, some cold shoulders. It's like a rerun. I'd rather be somewhere warm and fresh. 

That's why I love my job so much. It's somewhere else. I get to drive a nice long drive and show up and be helpful to people who know me as me and me alone. It's a lifesaver. It really is.