iPad texting...
How would you go about handling BM texting SD11 and digging for info as to what is going on in our home? All the kids have iPads... I cant limit just SD. I just on a whim checked her iPad. We are in the midst of a custody battle. BM is texting her looking for info about what is happening in our home. I dont want to give SD shit. That puts her in the middle and if I cut her off I have to cut all the kids off and we have 4 (2 his and 2 ours). How would you handle this?
She originally texted to tell SD something about her home... ok fine. Then proceeded to ask what they where doing, was SS behaving (he wasnt), what he had done, how was he now right that second and how her day was going. I feel this is over stretching it.
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If you are in the middle of a custody battle then this is like gold for you. If she is quizzing SD11 about YOUR home and what goes on there then this could well be used as evidence of parental alienation and really does not look good on her part. She is interrupting the father's parenting time. LOG IT ALL. Print it out or send it to somewhere it can be logged. Just keep all that info to use against her.
About the iPad and internet/phone access in general, I don't believe in every waking hour being filled by technology. Personally I would suggest to your DH that he limits her time on there by scheduling certain times for giving her access to it. This may trigger some interesting responses by the BM.
This.
This.
This could play out in DH’s favor, this intrusive behavior involving their child.
I agree. Forward the emails to an account that DH can print them off and give them to his attorney.
It certainly was a factor in
It certainly was a factor in my DH's custody battle that ended up with him getting the skids and Medusa getting bupkis.
It could play out in his
It could play out in his favor but then again when SD starts venting before even trying to talk to us and making the situation out to be something it's not that turns into an issue as well. If she feels a situation is unfair that should be addressed with us before going and gossiping to her mother.
I understand your point here.
I understand your point here. My SD will still go "tattle" to mommy sometimes even after having a discussion with us b/c it didn't go the way she wanted it to and she knows mommy will go off of what she says as 100% truth and flip out on us! SD will make herself out to be the victim of something (chores for example - even though I expect all kids to do simple chores) and twist it and next thing you know BM is flipping out over something that is completely untrue!
exactly what SD stinky used
exactly what SD stinky used to do. Found out after the fact that 75% of her texts were to the Orc mother. DH was paying for a phone plan XX per month including so many texts and call minutes etc. This was in the beginning and I was totally unaware of the arrangement. Not long after we married he got a very large phone bill for SD. She had gone way over the limit. He hauled her over the coals and changed the plan to a prepaid. SD was furious and the Orc BM even more. SD had been telling her literally every single event and conversation exchange that went on in this house. Twisting everything and BM picked up the baton and ran with it of course using it as PAS. DH had Orc BM on the phone very soon 'how could you limit her access to me' carp.
Thankfully SD had her phone
Thankfully SD had her phone taken away by BM when she was caught making seductive videos on musicly. She lost the phone for a year. But that year is almost up. When she did have the phone she spent one weekend up all night texting BM. I don't usually stick up for BM or agree with her but at least in that case she told SO what SD was going and put a stop to it. SD has learned exactly how to manipulate the households though so any time she gets reprimanded or has to do something at our house she doesn't like she will twist it to fit her motive and MO as the victim and BM buys right into it. LOL, SD stinky!
My kids are 28, 26, and 22.
My kids are 28, 26, and 22. They grew up without cellphones, ipods, or tablets. They are fit, healthy, and creative. They thrived.
I have read stories like this
I have read stories like this before, with BM trying to get info about the other parent's house. I have always been curious what questions BM's ask. I know that I ask my kids general questions- How was your visit? Did you do anything fun? What crazy food did your stepmom make (She is vegan and makes some weird stuff- she makes regular food for the rest of the family, but we giggle-- Also, we are very friendly and have a good relationship-- I tease her in person too!) ? I tend to ask my son how late he stayed up the night before for my own sanity to see what kind of teenager attitude I will be dealing with.
I don't see that stuff as dirt... more of just seeing how their weekend went... I ask the same questions when they have sleepovers with friends.
What you ask your kids are
What you ask your kids are normal questions.
But there have been some wild examples here over the years I've been reading. Kids being asked to go through the bills and take pics of bank account statements. Or kids taking photos of everything new purchased in the opposite home. Then there are the parents who call and text non-stop the entire exchange time. Kids reporting how much spent for dinner out, SM got a new vehicle, delivery of a new sofa.
I suupose in these extreme intrusions it must be in states where those kinds of things would count in CS calculations? I don't really see how that would work *shrugs*... just because one's fridge croaked and Dad had to buy a new one doesn't seem to be something BM can run off to court with. I suppose though if the one CS paying parent has recently filed for a hardship/modification to lower CS and recieved the request proof of lots of suddenly new spending sprees might be looked at.
Some Sms just simply don not feel her home needs to be viewed and judged . 'Oh look, SM didn't load the dishwasher last night', LOL.
I think the problems come when the kid is used as a secret little spy or the abilty to have 24/7 contact when not that parent's parenting time. I've read some where the skid is texting demanding BM to come immediately and pick skid up... next thing Dad knows Bm is at the door.
Wow! That is crazy! I can't
Wow! That is crazy! I can't even imagine... I would feel like I failed as a parent if I ever did anything like that.
I know the BM in our case wanted to be on facetime for hours on end and had him walk through our house. It did feel like a violation, but I let it go. I also wasn't in her shoes, sending my kid 1/2 way across the country to have my son spend a week with my ex in a woman's house I didn't even know. We don't let her pull that crap anymore, but I let it go the 1st visit.
I updated in my original post
I updated in my original post with more details
Asking your kids general
Asking your kids general questions is one thing but asking them exactly where they went and what they did is another thing. BM shouldn't be allowed to have a play by play of every visitation with dad. Some of these BM are just ridiculous. I can't even begin to tell you what BM and the skids did when DH and me first got married. BM ran all over my DH and I told DH that it's either BM or ME!!
And that is pretty much the
And that is pretty much the exact line that was drawn. Down to exactly how SS was acting and why he was on a quiet time out.
This is a tricky situation
This is a tricky situation and it's not just because it's on an ipad... she could just as easily be asking these questions in person when the child goes home. So, while I in general agree that kids tech time should be somewhat monitored/limited, that isn't really the crux of the issue.
We walk a line. While we don't want to encourage a child to HIDE something from another parent because we wouldn't want them to hide things from us... we also want to foster a sense of respect for the privacy around what happens in our own homes.
We had to have several discussions over the years as the girls grew up about what was appropriate. A few times the EX gave my DH crap for encouraging the girls to lie to her.. which was not the case. Our message was pretty much that each household deserved the right to not have every waking moment relayed to the other parent. It's not so much hiding or lying about things as it is allowing everyone to live without the microscope of a party outside of the home. It frankly was none of their mother's business what we did every hour of every day... or exactly what they ate at every meal...or certainly not whether there was an argument about something in the home about something completely unrelated to the kids. (an example might be a disagreement in a car about how closely someone is following another car... not yelling and screaming.. but that kind of normal disagreement... it isn't really a fight but not 100% harmony either).
We had a few handicaps in this fight. My OSD was a bit of a tattle tale when it would curry her favor with mom.. or when she was being spiteful to her dad about something. She was generally the kid who harbored more resentment up to and including writing her dad a letter when she was a teen about how she felt abandoned by him when her parents split up. (drama queen). YSD wasn't so crafty in her motive but nothing was a secret if YSD knew it. I have a decent relationship with both girls (though better with the younger one)... but they of course will have allegience to their bio mom over me.
Ultimately we learned to sometimes craft the message we wanted delivered. We didn't play up new purchases and my DH would make it clear that things were bought by me or were gifts and not that HE had gobs of money coming in (because he didn't). We were also more aware of what was said in front of the kids so that they wouldn't be in a position to share or misinterpret information with their mom. I know it's tough to have to censor yourself in your home.. but to a certain extent it's probably a good idea for the kids to not be privvy to all the details of their parent's lives.
We had a discussion this
We had a discussion this morning about it being inappropriate to run to the other parent before discussing concerns with the parent involved. It's fine to talk about struggles with either parent it is not ok to refuse to talk to someone who now doesnt know there is a problem and gossip to the other house.
That is important... I think
That is important... I think Tankh had that problem with her DH's boys calling mommy to complain about being hungry or sick.. dad was clueless that there was an issue so how was he supposed to resolve it?
The other deadly sin is what I like to call opinion shopping. Ask one parent get answer A... then call other parent to ask same question to see if you get a better answer then use the information to play against the other parent.... Well mommy said I could go to the death pirates of blood concert on Saturday in Cleveland with no chaperone.. (when mom really said that she would only agree if dad said it was ok too... see how the message is crafted?).
I get that it's annoying and
I get that it's annoying and intrusive, but what is she asking for reports on?? Did you get fed today? Are you watching porn? did you play in the road? What? I'm assuming you have access to SD's IPad since you know that BM is texting and asking questions, so I'd just take a pic of every stupid looking for trouble text and use it against her in court.
Assuming there are no crazy antics in your home that you want to hide....she's giving you the shovel, let her dig her own hole.
I updated my original post
I updated my original post but we are also dealing with the fact that SD gets annoyed refuses to discuss the issue with us. Then she over embellishes her views before trying to address it with us and lies to BM. So there are two problems. Because then BM encourages her not to sdressbher issues with us and says she will talk to DH for her.
When you have a BM that
When you have a BM that encourages this behavior it makes it difficult to resolve. I understand completely my SD does the same thing. She also tells us all kinds of stuff about her mom. I once had to interrupt SD at least 3 times when she wanted to give me play by play details about how her mom's new bf stayed the night and she knew this b/c she was supposed to be in bed but was listening through the door and yada yada yada. As much as I dislike BM I also think she has a right to privacy. I told SD that I didn't need to know about her mom's every day life b/c it wasn't my business and it isn't nice to gossip and I personally would be very upset if she stayed up at our house after she was supposed to be in bed to eavesdrop. Also, BM has accidentally pooped her pants twice and SD has told us both times. SO even told BM that she might want to watch what she tells SD b/c we now know about her pooping problem. BM didn't care...because you know teaching her not to gossip would mean that she wouldn't get to hear about our home!
Sometimes it takes major
Sometimes it takes major restraint to avoid prying like behavior, because you want to model exceptional coparenting behavior, in hopes the other parent will come around and do the same. For the sake of their child, and in an effort to successfully coparent.
I remember DH saying to skid “Hey honey, are all of your school shoes like this?” in regard to BM sending her school uniform shoes over too small and with holes in them. Funny enough, for skid just being 7 at the time, that was translated somehow to BM not caring, because the day after that DH received a nasty text from BM saying “Who do you think you are? I’m not a bad mom! All of skid’s don’t have holes in them. If you have a problem with it, buy her new ones.”
We often did. It’s just that BM craftily avoided sending the nice school shoes on DH’s visitation days during the school week.
Also, these inquisitive texts from BM were only fueled by jealousy and her desire to compete with DH when it came to parenting. BM has always had to one-up him.
Our concern with this is
Our concern with this is going into court is SD knows her mom wants to hear the negative and embellishes the situation into her version of what is happening before discussing with us how she feels.