Ready to lose it! I need thoughts & opinions from someone in a sane frame of mind.
So, I have posted on here before about how I have a fake FB page set up that I have friended BM on. I know there are people here totally opposed to FB. Others are opposed to "friending" BM. Like I said, as far as she knows I cannot see her page, so really, we are not friended. My reason for having this page is that DH & I went so long having no form of contact & no idea what the kids were involved in or what kinds of things they were facing in life. FB was the only way we had to know what was happening with them.
We don't have internet at our house. I stay on it all day at work. We get on when we go to SIL's house, but DH really cares nothing about FB. As far as the kids, he hasn't shown any interest in "spying", so it really is just me. I feel like it helps me understand things better. It helps me understand the kids better, & the choices they've made, the things they've felt & said.
Anyway, BM hasn't been very active on FB at all. Last thing I did before I left work yesterday (as it is every day) was to see if she'd updated her page. Low & behold there are 9 new entries on her page. I believe the recent communication & contact we've had with SS17 & the fact that both of DH's kids have "friended" me on FB in the last few weeks has stirred the devil we call BM. I have always made a point on my FB to never speak ill of BM. I don't air my dirty laundry for everyone to see. I'm certain BM has "spied" on my page through the kids, & I believe the lack of spite, anger, & pain on my page has created some frustration for her. As well as the fact that even while we had no contact I expressed love & hope for DH's kids on my page. They can go back to previous years & see happy birthday messages & well wishes, & thinking of you's to them & know that even through the years she was telling them we didn't care, they were in our hearts.
So, the 9 entries all made yesterday afternoon are as follows:
*1st time I have been on in weeks, hope my friends are well and have a great Easter coming up!!!! Much Luv.......
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*For my beautiful kids, For you SS17 and SD14, I'm sorry your dad has always hurt you both, but WE WILL get thru it, Mom loves you and always know I'm here, ALWAYS for you both!!! XOXOXOXO
Eminem - Mockingbird
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Music video by Eminem performing Mockingbird. YouTube view counts pre-VEVO: 14,297,644. (C) 2004 Aftermath Entertainment/Interscope Records
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*Can't help but luv him...... CREATIVITY!!!!!!
Eminem - Not Afraid
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Music video by Eminem performing Not Afraid. (C) 2010 Aftermath Records
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*Would love to find a guy to feel this way about me........... UGH!!!!
Seether - Broken (Music Video) ft. Amy Lee
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Music video by Seether feat. Amy Lee performing Broken. (c) 2002 Wind-up Records, LLC
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*My kind of man, luv his style!!!!!!
Adam Lambert - If I Had You
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Music video by Adam Lambert performing If I Had You. (C) 2010 RCA Records, a unit of Sony Music Entertainment
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*My life at the moment.......
A Perfect Circle - Blue (Official)
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Music Video to the song Blue by a perfect circle from the Thirteenth Step album.
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*BM likes Proud to be a Mom and Proud Parent
*Hell YEA!!!!!!!!!
Tool - Crawl Away
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The song Crawl Away by Tool, one of my favorites.
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I'm sure you can pick out the one that threw me into a whirlwind of PISSED OFF. I'm not a huge fan of Eminem & don't know a lot of his music. I searched the lyrics & it's all about how sad & scary life is for kids who's parents aren't around, but don't worry cause everything will be alright. :sick: :sick: :sick:
Now, my thinking is that she's fearful with SS17 wanting to spend time with DH & he's pulling away from her. She doesn't want SD14 to pull away from her, so it's like she's trying to convince them & remind them that they are feeling hurt by DH. It's like she's trying to hold them in a depressed angry state of mind so that they can't heal & progress, & I'm seriously pissed.
I have not mentioned it to DH. While I am a fixer, he prefers not to know what he can't change. I called my sister in tears as soon as I started home last night & told her I needed to talk to her about before I got home because I didn't want to spend the evening with DH feeling all of the anger & unable to speak. I spent my evening with this sloshing in my brain trying to figure out how to handle my feelings & decide what I need to do feel like I have made an effort to rectify it. In the 10 years I have been with DH & been dealing with all of BM's BS, I have never spoken an ill word about her to the kids, & I have determined that I won't let this break me. I want to post something on my FB page that the kids can see without singling them out...just something to my friends & family in general that will get a message through. Something about the choices we make. We choose what kind of person we'll be. We choose what we allow to pull us down. We have the power to choose forgiveness & healing over anger & pain. We have the power to think for ourselves...blah, blah, blah.
I don't know that something like that will resonate with them. I don't know that they'll make the connection between my post & hers. But, I don't know what else I can do to satisfy the "fixer" in me without being hurtful to the relationships we are finally beginning to rebuild with the kids.
Also, I would like to point out that on my page I have "liked" "I love my stepson/stepdaughter".
Note the activity on her page yesterday where she "liked" "Proud to be a Mom" & "Proud Parent". :sick:
Everything she says pisses me off. Every friendship of hers has failed, & by her account it's always the other person's fault. Every relationship of hers has failed, & by her account it's always the other person's fault. Every conflict she runs into in her family that fails, by her account, it's always the other person's fault. Her life sucks so bad & she's been dealt the raw hand & she's a victim of everyone & everything in life, but is willing to make the sacrifices she's made (not working, not having friends or relationships, etc) for the sake of saving her children from lives of despair & hurt with their dad. She wants everyone to believe she's some kind of martyr, & it KILLS me! She owns NO fault for ANYTHING!
So, with all of that said, any thoughts or suggestions? :?
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Dh is usually the one who
Dh is usually the one who gets so upset over things like this. I typically am the one trying to calm him & reassure him that his kids love him & that one day they'll understand why things are the way they are. They'll know who they can count on. When he wonders why they won't return his calls & why they're angry with him, & how can they not believe him when he tells them what is true, I'm always the one explaining to him that his statement of truth one time every 6 months-a year has no bearing against her & her mom dropping their poisonous lies in their ears every single day.
I don't know, after everything we have made it through, why this particular instance has me so upset.
Storm, In my opinoin don't
Storm, In my opinoin don't make it obvious that you know what she's posted on her FB page. Just go about as if nothing is different. The kids just don't need it.
And that was the biggest part
And that was the biggest part of why I didn't say anything to DH about it. He would have SS on the phone wanting to know why BM would say something like that. What has he ever done to deserve what she's done to him, etc. It's not SS's to own or answer for. Of course DH knows that, but SS is the only one he is able to get through to so that's where it would go.
I know that I can't tell DH & tell him not to say anything because things like that come out of his mouth unintentionally when he's upset.
I know that the first breath BM catches that I've seen what's on her page she'll skinny down her friend list & I'll lose access.
Our BM has a fake page set up
Our BM has a fake page set up to spy on me. I pretend I dont know about it. She post comments on it about me as if she knows I can see it. But I dont react on my page. I usually post a bible quote or quote from a song so that it looks generic but she always reacts to it on her fake page. Truthfully I get a kick out of stirring the pot like that. If she is gonna go through that much trouble to set up a fake page to read about how much I love her ex and how I had a great time sledding with or hanging out with her kids, then she deserves to get the most out of it }:)
so anyway, Try finding a quote, then it doesnt look so obvious
Thank you. I know that the
Thank you. I know that the best revenge is living a full happy life. I have that. I have more in my life than BM will ever have, & I don't base my blessings in comparison to what she has or doesn't have. I am truly blessed with an incredible supportive & loving family. My husband has a bigger heart than any man I know (aside from my dad). I love his family like my own. DH & I laugh & we joke. We have a marriage that I have no fear of losing. I know that I can count on him to respect me, love me, cherish me, & protect me. He is genuine.
It just irks the crap outta me to see her slander & lies about him & to know that she is doing everything in her power to hold those kids under her control. These years that should be spent teaching them life skills, self-preservation, self-respect, etc are being killed with her need to control them & brainwash them & insist that they feel & think the things she feels & thinks.
I just want to help them understand. I want them to know, without a doubt, that there was never a day that they weren't loved & missed by their dad. Every child deserves that from their parents. There should never have to be a doubt, & the fact that it's their mother inflicting & forcing that doubt into their minds repulses me.
That's what makes this so
That's what makes this so incredibly frustrating. DH has done everything in his power to help his children have a relationship with their mother. SHE left them...for 4 years. She chose other men, drugs, & the single life over her children & didn't come back until she had no where else to go. It didn't matter that they needed her for 4 years. She didn't come back until she had nothing left. She didn't come back until SHE needed them. DH dropped CS arrears twice to keep her out of jail. He drove around to every one of her friends homes looking for her because the kids cried to see her, & she'd just run faster the other way. When she cried terminal cancer 6 years ago & begged for another chance to be a mother to her children before she died, he let them go back to her. It was all a lie.
She has done NOTHING for him but jab a knife deeper in his back at every opportunity.
Even with that, if SS says a cross word to her, DH tells him he owes her an apology because she is his mother.
I just get tired of always having to be the one to let it roll off, & I'm not just talking about FB. It's the comments SS makes like BM said she had no choice but to leave them because DH was "abusive" or "controlling" or "belittling" & one of my favorites...he wouldn't let her work or go out with her friends. Really??? And you left your 3 & 5 year old children with that monster? At what point does SOMEBODY get to jump in her nasty face & burst her bubble???
I've been reading all the
I've been reading all the posts on here and can relate to so many of you. I feel like I'm in the same boat. I have a SS almost 14. BM and my husband became parents at 17, they had dated for a few months, he thought she was crazy and they broke it off. She called a few months later saying she was pregnant and they were together off and on from SS birth but were completely broken up by the time SS was 2. She was violent and abusive both verbally and at times physically. We met when my SS was almost 3, I didn't come between anything, though I was accused of breaking up a happy family. The first time I met my SS grandmother, she said Hi and turned to my husband (then boyfriend) and said, I don't want girls in and out of my grandson's life. Apparently she didn't know her daughter very well. She has had numerous boyfriends, drove herself off the highway purposely (admitted later) to get my husband to come running, followed us around, shown up at restaurants and taken my SS from us because she didn't want me around him. Obviously I hung in there, my husband is a great guy and father and I love him. She got married, they separated twice, then she found out she was pregnant, they split up, back together for birth of that child. Now they are divorced, she ran up his credit and they had to file bankruptcy, since then has had numerous boyfriends. She hasn't worked in 5+ years, collects umemployment and child support. Spends her days driving around all day going tanning and getting her nails done. Has tried to collect disability at least twice but been denied. She and I have never had words and I've never said a thing about her in front of my SS. A couple years back DSS was involved because she was living with a drug dealer and both my husband and her other son's father were concerned for the safety of their children. She lied, as did her parents, claiming she lived with them, one big happy family. My SS did tell the truth at school but when talking with DSS at home, with mom right there he denied all info he'd given. Case was eventually dropped. He used to be so close with me but she said I called DSS and was trying to take him away from her so now he is very distant with me. Then me having a baby didn't help matters either. Just more fuel to her fire. She will argue with my husband and get my SS involved. We've told him time and time again, stay out of adult conversations, even if mom tries to get you involved. He is so loyal to his mom and they are like friends, no rules, no responsibilities, driving around all day, hanging at her boyfriend's house, sleeping on the couch or floor there, staying up late. My SS is her personal babysitter for the younger child. She said he hates to come to our house, where he has chores-take out the dogs, put recycling outside, and clean his room, because we are mean to him. We feel he needs stability and responsibility so he will grow up to be a well rounded adult capable of taking care of himself. We want what's best for him but she just knocks everything we do and he goes right along. My husband says SS just agrees with her to get by without any hassle from her. That's totally understandable but it hurts so much. I love this child as if he were my own, but he seems to be pulling away and the hate is sometimes there in his face. She has hated me from day 1 but SS has never been that way until recently. My husband says he's brainwashed. I just feel so hurt that I'm angry with him. I don't want to do fun things with him, I don't want to take him along to do things because he is so unappreciative of anything, it's like he expects things now. He has her attitude of entitlement and free-loading. I also hate to see what this is doing to my husband. They way she goes back and forth with my SS on FB is disgusting. She is so trashy and jokes with him like they are friends, it's just not right. I don't follow her on FB, I blocked her. I feel like its less drama, but my SS is friends with both of us so she does know what goes on to a point. I can understand what you are saying though, I check SS FB just to see what's going on because everything that goes on over there is a secret. That's what scares us!!
I know that the best thing to
I know that the best thing to do is nothing, & I've spewed enough here that I don't feel like I need to do it anywhere else.
I have a clean record with the kids & keeping that is important, & I know that BM thrives on attention & reaction. She has made every effort to get me to break, & while I have broken to DH & to my friends & to so many of you here, I will never let her know that she gets to me. Knowing that little fact about her is what has kept me clean so far, & it will continue to do so.
I like this quote from a song
I like this quote from a song titled Magic Penny: "Love is something if you give it away, you end up having more."
My SS18 suffered from PAS at the hands of BM and her parents. But DH and I tried to constantly give him the message that there is more than enough love to go around and you shouldn't have to choose who you love the most. It's been 2 years since SS first realized that BM is manipulative and vindictive, but he still wants to love her. DH and I continue to support his love for his mom even though we don't like her or the games she plays. It sounds like you have a similar approach where you try not to badmouth BM even though she might deserve it. I think your actions will speak louder than words in the long run.
Just about 3 weeks ago we saw
Just about 3 weeks ago we saw SS17 & SD14 for the first time in nearly 2 years. In that 2 years the only contact was a phone call from SD on Father's Day last year & a phone call from SS on DH's birthday. Both events took us completely by surprise & gave us hope, but there was nothing after that.
About 3 weeks ago SS started actively calling DH & wanting to spend time with him/us. He expressed frustration with BM (never in my presence) but has withheld a lot of his frustration to save BM face. We have made it clear that we love them & miss them & want to see them. Things seem to be moving forward with SS, but I believe BM has SD tight in her clutches with no intention of letting go. BM has put up a fight to keep SS under her control, but he always has been one to speak his mind & he WANTS to repair the damage between him & DH. He's even trying to get SD to come eat with us, go to a movie with us...anything to give DH a little bit of time with her, but as he stated this past Sunday, "She won't leave mom's side for anything. I don't know why." Well, we know why, & it's going to take a lot of effort & healing & forgivness that I'm not sure she's willing to face.
DH fought tooth & nail in court just to get his EOW visitation & instead received an order for anger management & supervised vistiation. SS actually was the one who took him to court the last time, & when it came to that...SS15 (at the time) telling DH he didn't want to come, DH finally decided that SS had made up his mind & this is what he wanted, so the choice was theirs. The first time SS called a couple of months ago he told DH he hated him for not fighting hard enough. The fact is, DH fought until the court deemed them old enough to decide. They made their choice. DH warned SS that nothing good would come out of it & it didn't. SS is now reaping the rewards of the fight he chose to persue. He's stuck with BM under court order & can't get away.
SS will be 18 in 3 months, but we still have 4 more years of "supervised" visitation at BM's discretion with SD. I'm guessing we'll be at least 4 more years before we get any reasonable time with her, & it may take that long for her to grow up enough to be open to the idea of forgiving/healing.
I have read Divorce Poison. By the time I'd read it, we were already into the supervised at BM's discretion visitation. She has told SS (who passed it on to DH) that he needs to not ask to see his dad because she doesn't want to have to deal with it. It stresses her out.
I have screen-printed her page & put it in a folder with all the rest of the crap. I don't believe we'll ever have another day in court with her, but I do intend to keep it all on hand in case either of them ever get curious or need "proof" to help them accept the facts to move forward.
I absolutely understand their devotion to their mother. DH & I both understand that no child wants to have to say that their mother is a POS, & I would never want them to feel incomplete or unworthy or anything like that. It has to suck to know your mom is a loser, but it has to be so much harder to have to say it outloud.
The visitation DH has been having with SS...BM has NOTHING to do with it but is still livid about it. She doesn't have to drive, make phone calls, make arrangements, see or talk to DH or I. She just doesn't want her kids to feel good about their dad. She's just a bitch.
How about: "The more we are
How about:
"The more we are exposed to insanity, the more it APPEARS to be normal!"
And THAT is exactly where my
And THAT is exactly where my worries lie. :sick:
To update, your comments
To update, your comments talked me down from an ugly ledge. I feel better. I can think about her comments, look at them, read them, & understand that her words are only words. These kids have lived this life for so many years & really do understand...or are at least beginning to understand & see through this show she puts on for everyone.
I did put a couple of updates on my FB page. They are vague & don't point fingers, & they fit in with a lot of the things I normally post. Just gives my friends some things to think about.
The first was, "There are two primary choices in life; to accept conditions as they exist, or accept the responsibility for changing them. -Denis Waitley"
The second was, "Choose forgiveness over anger & healing over pain"
Then I posted some pictures of DH with SS from the trip we made out to work on SS's car.
There are two primary choices
There are two primary choices in life; to accept conditions as they exist, or accept the responsibility for changing them.
I LOVE THIS! It fits my current situation perfectly. Thank you.
LOL!
LOL!
For a couple of years it was
For a couple of years it was the only way for us to know anything about the kids lives...anything. There was no phone contact, & they wanted no FB contact. The majority of BM's FB friends are internet friends & friends of friends. The only friends she has on there from her real life are the kids, her aunt, a couple of her kids friends, & 2 guys (brothers) she used to date. She has all kinds of men & woment friends that she only knows through FB.
After reading the comments
After reading the comments yesterday, I feel better. I guess I still think of the kids as being little kids. Last time we had any kind of real time with them, that's what they were. They were hurting & they were struggling. They were feeling guilty & trying to give quick hugs & I-love-you's while BM's back was turned so they wouldn't hurt her feelings. They were easy prey for her alienation & they were swallowing every bit of what she said. She was new in their lives again & they wanted, more than anything, to please her. Since SS has expressed his desire to spend time with his dad again, BM is working overtime on their minds. DH talked to SS for about 3 hours yesterday. At first when he told me SS had called I was nervous, but nothing ever came up about FB. SS said he's still been arguing with BM, & DH said he feels like SS is still feeling torn between the two of them. DH let him know that he doesn't want SS to feel like there's a need to choose or support one or the other...that he wants him to be able to feel good about both of his parents & assured him that he is loved by both of them. He told him to never feel afraid or uncomfortable about expressing good feelings toward BM around DH or myself & that we both want him to have loving relationships with both of them. He said all-in-all they really didn't talk about BM too much. I told DH 3 hours is quite a long time to talk on the phone...was everything okay? He said yes, that SS just called to talk. When they talked a few weeks ago, SS was asking whether or not we'd have anything to put toward his college. DH told him we didn't have anything. We are stretching to pay our bills, but he did suggest SS join a branch of the military...that they would pay for his education. SS brought that up yesterday as something he's been giving some thought to. He said BM doesn't want him to, but that she didn't have any other suggestions for how he could pay for school.
Of course, with BM not working & DH working in the house-building industry & being short on work he'd certainly qualify for grants, but whatever loans he gets to finish paying will be his responsibility to pay back.
He also got to talk to SD for a few minutes. She didn't have much to say, but it was a few more minutes than she's been willing to talk since Father's Day last year. I know SS has been encouraging & asking her to come with him to see DH & she has declined. BM was sick in bed (surprise) so I'm sure that's the only reason they stayed on the phone so long & likely the only reason SD got on the phone with DH at all.
Like I stated yesterday, I've posted a few of the pics of SS with DH & MIL from their time together in the last few weeks. Several people have made positive & encouraging happy comments & SIL has sent some loving comments his way through them.
He has his senior year of HS left. I'm impressed that with the lack of support from BM he is already giving thought to how he'll be able to pay for college. It's encouraging to know that even with her trying to cripple him he's fighting back & really has it in his mind that he's going to do something with his life. He asked DH if after he turns 18 he can stay at our house some, & he mentioned that he prefers spending some time with BM's mom to get a break from BM. DH told him he could stay with us & do his senior year in our district if he wants to, or if he wants to stay in BM's district he can stay with us on weekends if he wants to. He did make it clear, though, that if he's not living with us school nights would be off limits. He won't accept excuses for missing school.
SS has a lot to think about, consider, & decide. I really believe his heart in making a life for himself. I really believe he's had enough of the frustration & hurt & that he really is ready & wants to forge forward in rebuilding his relationship with DH. I think he's realized that DH is the one who will really back him & help him learn to become the person he wants to be. I'm thankful DH has disciplined SS the way he has, & that even when it would've been so easy to bend & become soft for the love of his kids he stuck to what he knew was best for them. As much as it hurt him & as difficult as it's been between them, I'm so glad that he stuck to his guns & I'm thankful we are finally beginning to reap the rewards for the efforts & struggles we've made. I'm thrilled to see SS honestly WANTING to make a life for himself & being willing to work to make it happen. I'm hoping SD will soon follow. She is 14...a year younger than SS was when he was hellbent on fighting DH in court. I'm hoping she will come around sooner than SS did, but I guess even if it takes as long for her to find her way back, the most important thing is that she does.