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SS called DH out of the blue...in tears

stormabruin's picture

So, Friday night DH's cell phone rings. We don't typically use our cells at home because the service goes in & out. Sometimes it'll ring through & other times it won't. This time it did, & DH happened to be standing next to his phone when it rang. I knew he was in the kitchen near it but it kept on ringing. I glanced over & he just kept staring at it. I asked who it was & he stated it was the kids.

The only time he's spoken to his kids in the last year & a half (since our last court date) was when SD called on Father's Day & talked to him for about 10 min, & SS called a few weeks ago to wish DH a happy birthday.

I know he misses them terribly, so I wondered why he didn't answer. He just shook his head & said, "I don't know what to say to them". I suggested perhaps something was going on that they needed to be in touch with him about. It took him completely by surprise & he was so nervous. He said, "I'm sure they'll call the house phone. I'll just wait". No call. So, he called the number back.

SS answered & was in tears. He told DH he'd gotten into an argument with BM but never would say what it was about. He continued to tell DH, "I hate you for being abusive & for being a drug addict". Of course, DH was stunned & didn't know what to say. SS followed with, "I had to tell you that. It's been on my mind for a really long time & I just had to get it out." Very calmly he said, "Son, when have I ever abused you?" SS mentions when he was little DH would get mad & hit him. He gave an example that in the past he has admitted he doesn't recall but has heard the story told. (Actually DH was the one who told him about it.) SD was a baby & was crying because she couldn't turn her head. They'd taken her to the ER & just after they got home, DH found SS holding her on the floor in a headlock. DH spanked him & sent him to bed early. BM left DH for the first time the following day because DH was "abusive". Thing is, she left alone. She didn't take the kids. If she felt DH was abusive, she wouldn't have left her children there with him.

DH explained that SS went through a period of wrestling. He loved it. He'd wrestle his friends & he'd wrestle DH. He wasn't allowed to wrestle with SD because she was a baby. They'd gotten after him for it a number of times & this time led to a spanking.

After all these years, BM has taught the kids that when DH disciplined them (verbally or physically) he was abusing them.

Evidently, SS was looking for an apology for abuse, & DH simply told him, "Part of being a good parent is disciplining your children. I'm not going to apologize for disciplining my children".

And for being a drug addict...SS said BM has a picture of DH passing a water bong. DH reminded SS that the picture had to be at least 12 years old. He told him he could've just been passing it on to someone else. Him holding the bong wasn't proof that he smoked pot, but also told him he wasn't going to lie to him. He said, "I'm not going to tell you I've never smoked pot, but I can tell you it's been a long time since I have. I have pictures of BM smoking joints & smoking crack. I have journal entries she left at our house when she left about having such vivid dreams & wondering if it was a result of LSD use. I can tell you I've never smoked crack & I've never used LSD. I have smoked pot. It was a choice I made. It was a poor choice, but it was mine to make."

SS wanted DH to agree to random drug tests at SS's request. DH explained that his employer does random drug screens & he wouldn't have a job if he smoked pot. He told SS that as a responsible parent he would not give SS the authority to demand DH take a drug screen. He explained that it's not SS's responsiblity to keep DH "in line".

SS was also angry that DH didn't appeal after their last court hearing. SS took DH to court so he & SD wouldn't have to participate in visitation. DH told SS that as a child it was not his place to take DH to court, & he let him know that him getting involved in what should've been between DH & BM would not result in anything good. He let him know that whatever came of it would stand because DH was finished begging for time with his kids. The ruling was for DH to take an anger management course & that there would be an order for supervised visitation by BM in her home. After the anger management DH could go back to court again to unsupervised visitation re-instated. At that point, the kids were already deemed old enough & mature enough to decide on their own & they had chosen not to come, so DH never went back to have the order changed. Apparently BM has told the kids that if DH really wanted to see them he'd have gone back...again...& appealed. He explained to SS that things are the way they are now because of a choice SS made. He wanted to step up & behave like a man facing DH in court. DH warned him of the consequences, & this is the result of SS's choice. SS said he's been wanting to come stay with DH on weekends, but because of the order BM won't let him.

I told DH it's good for SS to be able to relate his choice to the consequence. I think it's best left alone until he turns 18 in July. Let him stew in it. Give him some time to let the correlation set in, & give him the opportunity to accept the responsibility for his actions. We haven't seen them for the last 2 Christmases. We can pass on this one, & he'll be old enough to come if he chooses to next year.

DH said it was clear that SS is eager to get out from under BM. She gave him a POS car for his 16th birthday & she has run it into the ground. She won't take him for his learners, so he never even got to drive his car. She can't afford to pay his insurance.

I told DH that if SS wants to stay with us when he turns 18 we have plenty of room for him. He'll have a roof over his head & a room to sleep in. DH can fix the car...I'm certain. There will be a rule that anyone over 18 in our home will work full-time & will cover the cost of their own insurance & fuel. If he chooses to go to college, we will keep a roof over his head, but he will still have to work part time to cover his share of the insurance & his fuel to get to & from.

DH asked SS about why they stopped going to counseling. SS said that after the last court hearing BM decided they weren't going back because they didn't have to. DH explained that obviously there were many issues he & SS need to work through & that he would like to start going again. If BM won't work with him on it, they could go after SS turns 18, but that he really feels it's important that they deal with these questions & problems so that they can have a healthy relationship. DH explained that the purpose of counseling was to help them rebuild their relationship...not to adhere to a court order. DH didn't mention it, but of course BM wouldn't follow through because she has no interest in DH having a relationship with his children.

All-in-all, they talked about a lot of things that needed to be talked about. Not in entirety, but it gave DH some insight & ideas about what his kids are dealing with, & what he will have to deal with when the time comes. It was a difficult discussion for DH, & he came close to tears, but didn't break down. I was proud of him for his honesty & his ability to back up his title of "Father" when I know it would've been so easy to bend for the sake of winning points from his child. I have to credit where it's due. He's never been one to fold under pressure.

I can't imagine the sting that DH must've felt in hearing his son tell him he hates him. And for that to be followed by accusations of abuse & being a drug addict. Not because they are true, but because his son honestly believes they are true.

The end result was worth it, I believe. They each said a genuine "I miss you" & "I love you" by the time it was over.

I am so hoping that this will be the beginning of the healing for the two of them. SD...she still clings ever-so-tightly to her mother...her "hero".

Comments

JustAnotherSM's picture

Storm, this is such a great post! Kudos to your DH for handling that conversation so well. I'm sure now that your SS is 17, he is going to want to find out the truth about DH and BM.

My SS18 also chose to refuse visitation with DH after a custody battle that ended when SS was 15. It took about 2 years for SS to call DH and start asking these type of questions. Now, SS finally knows the truth and SS and DH have come a long way in rekindling their relationship. I just wanted to let you know that we've been there and suffered through the pain and loss of not seeing SS, but there is so much hope for a better tomorrow. Smile

SusiQ's picture

We had somewhat of the same issue with SS - he stopped communicating with DH and basically called him one day out of the blue and started blaming DH for all these things that DH had nothing to do with. Lies told to SS by BM. DH was able to stay calm but basically treated SS like an adult (finally - he was 20 at the time). It changed things for a little while but things are back to normal again - we only hear from him when it's gift giving time or he needs $$ for school.

Frustrated New Wife's picture

I'm so glad that they had the conversation and that your DH stood his ground. What a great start! I sure hope that from here on out things will start to get progressively better. Maybe SD will start coming around once she starts to see SS coming around...who knows? Right now though, it sounds like things are on the mend and that is great! I am sadened to hear though that BM put all of those wicked thoughts into his head Sad

happymostly's picture

wow i got chills reading that. What a spiteful and vindictive BM the epitome of a PASinator. I really hope SS and your DH will be able to rebuild their relationship, and im glad that dh set ss straight on those issues. I hope ss will believe him and not listen to bm anymore.

stormabruin's picture

I truly believe that SS has known BM to be a liar & manipulator since he was about 11 or 12...if not before. He has made comments to DH about how she has this laugh she does when she's telling a lie. SS would call DH when he was angry with BM & talk about how she lies about everything. Of course, when it came down to court & it was DH against BM, SS & SD both seemed to feel an obligation to be BM's crutches.

I am really impressed with how DH handled it, & I am thankful SS has it in him to confront DH with his questions. BM had SS feeling he was a man well before his time & he has taken it upon himself to insert himself as an adult, man-to-man with DH on a number of occassions. I think this is what led to a lot of the breakdown in their relationship...of course aside to BM's outright alienation. She made DH an outcast, but SS's attempts to go head-to-head with DH have done a lot of extra damage in the relationship between the two.

Hopefully as SS ages into an adult his maturity will be there to back up the attitude & they will be able to have a respect for one another that wasn't possible when SS was a little boy playing BM's big man role.

I am excited for them. I am almost relieved, but at the same time leery of letting my hopes get too high. Really, there's not a lot left to lose & DH & I have both accepted that. I just don't want to get too hopeful & lose it again.

stormabruin's picture

It seems like since DH & I got married we both feel complete together, but this thing with the kids being away & out of touch, I think, has kept our home from feeling complete.

Obviously kids grow up & I don't think it's really like an early "empty-nest" syndrome because even with that there is still a relationship. I can feel good about them not physically being in our home as adults, but I can't seem to feel good...even though they're not my children, with the idea of DH not being able to have relationships with them.

I am hopeful for me & for the opportunity I want to play a part in their lives, but moreso I am hopeful for DH because I have seen how the whole alienation, court, manipulation, lies, etc have broken his heart & it has just left him sad.

I am so nervous because I feel like it's getting to where it's juuuuust within reach, but it's still just far enough out of reach that it can easily fall apart & we will be back at the bottom...just DH & I in our quiet house, each silently wishing for things to get better.

I believe DH & I are truly happy in our lives together, but there is still that hollow space...that extra piece of DH that adds just a little bit more to his flair when he's with his kids that people who don't know him would never miss. It's a big enough piece to notice missing, though, to those who knew him over the years he got to be a dad.

stormabruin's picture

I know there have been things going on with BM, though I'm not certain what. In her FB posts she's talked about cancer & chemo. She has gone there in the past & we discovered that it wasn't all she made it out to be. She is one to make mountains out of mole hills & I believe that is causing a lot of the tension in their home. For a number of years, now, the kids have been her support. They are getting old enough to want to socialize outside of her & her family. They have questions they are searching for answers to regarding court, child support, & things they've been told. As their focus is beginning to pull more toward them as individuals she is losing their attention.

DH said when they were married they ran into her childhood doctor & the doctor appraoched them & said, "Well, if it isn't my little hypochondriac. Given all the symptoms you came to me with I figured you'd have been dead years ago!".

I felt certain if one of the kids would come back around it'd be SS. He has a mouth & is not afraid to use it. He is bitter toward BM for having left them as children & he throws it in her face on a pretty regular basis. Likely he always will. SD, on the other hand...I worry about her. She took to BM the moment she came back into their lives &...I'm not sure how to describe it. I haven't talked to her in a couple of years so I can't say she's becoming just like her. I guess by what I've seen in her MS & FB posts she still clings to every part of BM & shares every favorite & every interest that is BM's. SD's favorite music is BM's favorite music. SD's fascination with tattoos & piercings is BM's. I think she fears losing BM again, & I think she believes that if she connects herself with BM & likes all the things she likes & has the same passions, etc, & if she stays by BM's side every moment...that's what makes her feel like they're tied together & will keep them together. It's like SD is afraid to discover herself, maybe because if she finds out that she has interests outside of BM she'll lose that tie. I don't know. Obviously, I don't. This is what happens when I over-think. I'm not even certain it makes sense.

SD is not a free-thinker like SS is. She is very aware of people's feelings. She wears her heart on her sleeve. Unfortunately her heart is her mother & she'll do ANYTHING to avoid offending her. This is why I worry more about her. She won't speak up when she feels something. She won't express her thoughts & feelings. She'll suffer in silence to keep BM's approval.

For about 3 years, SS was the only one coming for visitation. We thought she would start coming as she got used to her mom being around again, but she never did. That's what makes it difficult to really even hope that she'll find her way back.

With her heart & her compassion & empathy, if she would just let herself BE herself she could feel so happy in life. I hate that her bond with BM is holding her back.