You are here

Changing YOUR plans for skids?

unbelieveable's picture

I don't mind getting the kids on the days we are not supposed to have them - and adjusting the schedule if they have bday parties BUT what if we have plans?

This weekend we picked them up on Friday morning, usually Saturday, because they had a bday party on Saturday afternoon and one on Sunday. To bring some readers up to date my FH works 4-12 Sunday through Thursday. Friday has been set aside for US to unwind from the week and Saturday - 10 a.m. through 2 p.m. on Sunday is the kid time. Well...this weekend we did not have any plans on Friday but we were informed by fsd7 that this will have to happen again next weekend because she has a bday party next weekend too on Saturday. Of course...I don't want her to miss her birthday party BUT I have some close friends coming into town on Friday and my FH was really looking forward to meeting them...FH's response to this to me was...

:Well, if anything I will just have to stay home Friday night...: - my thoughts and reaction HELL NO! We are NOT adjusting our schedule every weekend! If we do this all the time - she will start just "dropping them off" at random again. Secondly - we only go out once every 2 months...if that! We NEVER get to do anything fun - this weekend we have plans and that is it. I don't want them to miss bdays BUT - our relationship cannot revolve around THEM all of the time - I am in this too...

Another response I blurted out to him was - "No, we are not canceling our plans. This isn't fair - you need to meet my friends. She can just keep them for the weekend...we have had them every weekend since September - it's one weekend she can stay in.."

He starts to get nervous - like he is "afraid" she will get upset if he brings this up and he says, "Well I will just pick them up in the morning...drop them off at their birthday party...and then go get them when it is over..." - the place where the bday party is 40 minutes away from us and 10 minutes away from BM! It's a 4 hour long birthday party...We will hardly even see them - unless we are getting them all day - there is really no point in wasting all of the gas and energy. Not to mention - we could really use ONE break - I know I could - I have state boards coming up soon soon soon and I would REALLY like some relaxation time with FH. We both really need it. I really would like to save up and get some kind of custody agreement going - like we have them every other Friday and Saturday. So they would be there a whole weekend and there would be no fighting over what day they are coming blah blah blah...and if they have to miss one birthday - so be it. It is on paper.

Something good did come out this weekend though...

I had a conversation with BM's boyfriend when we dropped the kids off - BM was not there and FH came right back over to join in the conversation after he put the kids in the car...He wanted to make sure he was there so he understood wth was going on with his kids since he cannot control them and they have no respect for him. I asked him if fsd7 was still having temper tantrums that she should be tased for having - he started laughing and he said not anymore - he said it is fsd5 that is acting out - at their house. He did say, "These kids have the worst mouths I have ever heard in my life..." He also told me that it is "creepy" how BM is raising her kids...he said that BM told fsd7 that when she is not home(BM) that she is the "mom" and she is in "charge." BM's boyfriend said anytime that 7 year old pulls that she gets put in timeout. He said it's pretty bad that BM is teaching her daughter "not" to be 7 but to be a mom instead...and her sister is 5! She can't do anything for herself because of her older sister really thinking she is "the mom." It's a 2 year difference! Why would anyone NOT want to let their 7 year old be 7? She is missing out on being a child. So all three of us decided we will work together to MAKE these kids behave! We are going to text and let eachother know if they are "grounded" from something to make sure we all stick with it...I really felt good after talking to him - he also told my FH that BM should NOT have custody of the kids...she is never even there. He also said sometimes he just wants to disengage and give up. Glad he feels the same way most of us do...

Comments

christsluv2u's picture

Your FDH definitely needs a custody agreement. All this would be solved.

But realistically, your plans will, from time to time, be canceled because of skids. Just like they would be canceled with your birth children. A babysitter cancels...something comes up at school...a friend's birthday party. This will happen and is normal with raising children.

If you want to see your friends...can you have them over to your house...or can you get a babysitter for the evening? Just some thoughts.

Jen

unbelieveable's picture

They are in town one weekend. We would pick the kids up after school...and then we'd be out the WHOLe time they were there - we won't even see them. Why get them if we won't be home to spend time with them and hire a babysitter to boot? Why do we have to rearrange everything for BM? You have to understand - this happens often. Not just for birthdays...but because BM wants to party. I don't have children. - Realistically - this is MY life too. Not everything revolves around BM. She gets to do whatever she wants - when she wants. So...yes. We need a custody agreement that says plans can only change if they are "reasonable." NOT if she HAS to go drink like she does 4 nights a week. I don't mind changing plans every now and then - just like I said - but if I am going to change mine...she is going to change hers.

christsluv2u's picture

I agree with what you are saying. Which is why FDH needs a custody agreement pronto. I can't believe there are people without them. I guess if you get along, it is one thing, but situations and people do change.

Unfortunately, you do have to rearrange everything at the moment because your FDH won't step up and put his foot down. When someone suggests or demands a change, he should say "Our verbal agreement was (so and so) and I am only doing that." He should say that to BM. But he doesn't. His fault. I'd be pissed at him. She wouldn't be able to change the schedule if he didn't agree to a change! You can't change how BM is...but FDH can stop feeding her behavior. He apparently just chooses not to.

You should have a sit down convo with FDH. Welcome to your life if FDH won't get a custody agreement! He would be the person I'd be p'd off at! If he didn't allow changes, it wouldn't happen. He has power...just won't use it.

Jen

unbelieveable's picture

He hasn't gotten the details yet on next weekend. He said he is going to wait until Thursday to ask HER. He doesn't talk to HER when he calls the kids - he only speaks to them. So he figures she will eventually give him the lowdown. We are having a alot of issues right now...we have pinpointed that these issues are ONLY while or right after we have the kids...SO MUCH STRESS. He is going to win this weekend he said. He said he she wants to threaten him - she can. She is always threatening him with, "If you don't watch them for me then I won't let you see them anymore..." like we couldn't go to her mother's or her boyfriend's and they wouldn't hand them over to their own dad..haha. I told him - he really has NOTHING to worry about other than p*ssing me off. I am the one he has to live with.

How does this custody thing work? To get something on paper? Do you have to pay an insane amount of money to set something in stone? We'd really like to do every other weekend and then a week or two out of the summer. That may help lowering his child support too?

Angel72's picture

"He hasn't gotten the details yet on next weekend. He said he is going to wait until Thursday to ask HER. "

This is the kinda of shit i had to teach my husband ten years ago to deal with. I told him, you dont ASK her, You TELL HER!!! You're ex is not your mother, she's not in control of what you do in your life. Hence when you havve plans, the kids skip out that weekend. Point Finale!!!

I know plans get cancelled from time to time. But speaking from experience, i use to cancel our plans all the timefor their schedual..after one year, i said fuck it! my life revolves around my dh , not his kids, not the ex wifes schedual.
Tell your boyfriend that next weekend is a no go...sorry, we made plans , their mother will just have to bring them ot the party. Stand your ground. Most likely what willhappen is she wont care, she'll put her bf to take care of them and take them there anyways...
Your fh doesn't have to be mean with her, he can call her from today, this way its not last minute and tell her, sorry i have a previous engagemnt to attend and i can't take the girls this weekend..sorry.
Now if she begins acting like a bitch , he can bring up all the times he's been flexible and taken them etc..etc..and let them hash it out.
And you should get a custody agreement. I dont know what he is paying in child support but if its a ridiculous amount, it may lower it, it may higher...depends where you live.
None custodial parents usually get Eowe and 2 weeks in the summer.

christsluv2u's picture

"He hasn't gotten the details yet on next weekend. He said he is going to wait until Thursday to ask HER. He doesn't talk to HER when he calls the kids - he only speaks to them. So he figures she will eventually give him the lowdown."

This is a BIG issue. Your DH is putting the kids in the middle of adult matters. They shouldn't be made responsible for telling dad things. He is making them responsible for HIS job as a parent to communicate with the other parent and is bad parenting!! He needs to put his big boy pants on and talk to his ex and stop using the kids like that!!

"He said he she wants to threaten him - she can. She is always threatening him with, "If you don't watch them for me then I won't let you see them anymore..." like we couldn't go to her mother's or her boyfriend's and they wouldn't hand them over to their own dad.

This is just an excuse and is crap. He was the one that was stupid and didn't get visitation & let BM have the power. Technically, yeah unless he fights for his kids and gets custody on paper, she can keep them away. Sucks, but it is the bed he made. I don't know how much fighting for custody/visitation costs. I would put it on a credit card, whatever I had to do if it were my kids though. Get a lawyer and get the paperwork started. Child support may stay the same, may go up or may go down, who knows. It depends on the rules, etc for the state, his income, etc etc etc. There is a formula they use.

EOW and 2 weeks in the summer is what my FDH's ex has. My FDH has custody. I think EOW & 2 weeks in the summer, maybe some holidays throughout the year is pretty standard. Some situations have 50/50 depending on how close parents are and other factors.

Either way, your DH needs to fight for visitation of his kids now. Get the ball rolling on it asap. She has this trump card and will use it as long as DH lets her. He has the power to make it stop. Hopefully for your marriage's sake, he will use it. TBH I couldn't be with my FDH if he let BM run all over him.

frustratedinMA's picture

Yeah, if we have plans and they want to switch.. they are out of luck. After 6 yrs, we have stopped changing our lives to accomodate others. We no longer change things at a whim. Its not fair to you, its not fair to your relationship.. and for god's sake.. you shouldnt have those kids EW, that is WRONG!

christsluv2u's picture

Ok...I re read a couple of things and this stuck out to me...

"I don't want them to miss bdays BUT - our relationship cannot revolve around THEM all of the time - I am in this too..." and "I don't have children. - Realistically - this is MY life too."

You are in this, but you are in this with an involved father who wants to see his kids. Don't put yourself in the situation where you are making him choose between you and his children. You won't win. Nor should you. You won't fully understand this until you have kids. I don't fully understand it since I don't have kids. But i know it to be true.

We've canceled plans due to doctor's appointments, school stuff the kids forgot to tell dad about, kid needs something for school, kid has birthday party, etc etc etc. Sure, they aren't my kids. Sure, my life in theory shouldn't be directly impacted by his kids. Afterall, they are "his kids" right? On one hand yeah. But on the other hand, by dating and marrying a man with children, your life will automatically be impacted by them. Put it this way. His life is directly impacted by his kids. Your life (including him) is directly impacted by his decisions. So, you are impacted by the kids. This is something we have to realize when we marry a man who has previous responsibilities. Sometimes i go to events without FDH because the kids need something. I don't stop my life and stop what I am doing, like I might if I was their mother...but my life is impacted because sometimes FDH just can't join me...or something like that. And that just comes with dating a dad.

Just some thoughts after re-reading.
Jen

newlife's picture

I have to agree with stepaside to keep an open mind about flexibility in this situation. Like christsluv2u said kids, whether your biological or steps are going to interrupt your life.
However, I understand completely that this stuff makes your blood boil! My hubby and his ex do not have a custody agreement, she is always in charge of when the kid comes and goes, it gets really tiresome and her decisions often interfere with our plans in some way.
He's so reluctant to get a custody agreement for reasons I have not been able to fully get out of him yet. I told him that I'd be o.k. with no agreement as long as he understood my limits--I laid out for him the things I will not tolerate which we both agreed were fair and reasonable. We have occasions when the same thing happens--we have plans, a family commitment, a 'date night' with each other, a get together with someone that is important to me.......and then the kid enters the picture unexpectedly. Usually we work out an agreement where he (hubby) repays me the favor of giving him a pass on that night to watch his kid. He never tells me I should stay back with him or cancel the plan (if it is something I can do on my own). He'll usually take me out for a nice dinner another time in the near future or he'll offer the clean the whole kitchen for me while I am gone and he is home with the kid. It is still really frustrating that the stuff happens but he tries to make it up the best way he can. We do not have children together yet so this could all change when we have children of our own but for now it is sufficient enough.

unbelieveable's picture

An update on this..

We did end up going out Friday night and FH had tons of fun. We never get to go anywhere - our schedules are too hectic and we actually have to save up two weeks prior because we are that broke. And like I mentioned before...BM likes to change OUR plans constantly. So, the kids went to their bday party but of course - we had plans to meet her at specific location at 3:00...after the bday party was to end...Well...guess how long we waited for her to meet us? An hour and a half...yes, that's right - that long in the car! The place where the bday party was extended the party...we even called her at 2 p.m. just to make sure the plans were still the plans...it was a yes. So we get to the location...and we sit and sit and sit and wait...She kept declining his calls on the cell instead of telling us the plans had actually changed...and do you know what the kids said to us when we picked them up? "Mom said it didn't matter if you'd be upset..." This was after we met them finally and FH asked what happened to the plans...now do you see why this is so complicated? Grrr...This is exactly why he needs set arrangements.