Funeral would you let disengaged sd in your house
I don't mean to come across as morbid but this is something that is worrying me, hubby not well. When the time comes would you let disengaged sd (I disengaged from her) visit him in the house when he gets bought back from the undertakers before he is taken to the mare. (Hubby wants one nigh at home) She will be the kind draped over his coffin howling and sleeping right next to him and major sciences etc......She is banned from the house as she is so rude and disrespectful towards me. Hubby is totally supportive of this. She would also arrive her new man (whom I've never met and her two kids who drive me crazy.
She only rings or txt when' she wants something from him and is not genuine at all. She is the kind to rush the house as soon as someone dies and spend hours hawling over the coffin and making massive scenes. I can't stand her she is the most toxic evil manipulative cow I have ever met in my life. She makes me feel physically ill from all the abusive. Husband family is supportive and k own what she is like. When hubby found out he was sick an aunt told her as she'd had nothing to with him for,over 4 months, she came straight around with a letter of how he needs to get his will sorted out so her and her kids are left their share and they shouldn't be left out etc etc... It was hear trenching stuff.... Not oh dad.. How you doing, but make sure you e written down what I'm getting ......(she's getting nothing much to her shock in the future)
i just don't want to look like the bad guy but I didn't create the situation She did. I just know I couldn't cope with her in my house howling and carrying on. She can see her dad and do all this at the mare.
There are other skids whowould be supportive of me but don't want them to think I'm being mean and Crete a rift but just don't think I could physically cope with her presence in my home with my kids.
please be honest and say if I'm being mean........what would you all do. (Gain sorry don't mean to sound morbid just stressing about the situation as she will be on full firm.....as she acts when she wants to to get what she wants that oh god my dads the love of,my life........when he relating she just manipulates everyone,
thanks in advance for any helpful advice. If you do think I should let her in how do I stay sane for those 2 days without wanting to literally kill her as I know I will be totally devasted. Any advice very much appreciated.
Does she even know that he
Does she even know that he wants to come home one night before being taken to the funeral home/cemetary (sorry, not sure what a "mare" is)? Would your DH want her in your home on his final night? If the answer to both is no, then stay quiet about it and she can say her goodbyes at the funeral itself.
Not everything has to be shared with kids, and that includes bio. I'd want time with my DH after he passes for just us. I'd want one last night with the man I chose. I'd want my SF to have the same with my mom. It's not cruel to be selfish when losing your #1 person and wanting just a littlw more time with them, even if they are gone.
If your DH is willing, have him write a letter explaining that this was HIS decision to have the last night at home to just be with you. Or to just be with whomever he has chosen. That takes the burden off you as all you did was execute his wishes.
Really, though, do what makes this time easier on you. SD will still get a chance to say goodbye. She will still get her opportunity to throw herself over the casket and wail. It just can be with everyone else and not in your home, causing you more grief.
It's not mean. You are going
It's not mean. You are going to be grieving and won't need the extra hassle. She can attend the funeral like everyone else. I wouldn't even tell her he's been brought home.
Excuse my ignorance but what's a mare?
Marae (Maori meting house
Marae (Maori meting house cemetery)
thanks everyone
Thanks for the explanation.
Thanks for the explanation. That makes sense
I'm sorry you're going
I'm sorry you're going through this and have the added stress of a step situation.
I say keep her out of your personal space. Let her know now that he's ailing so she can see or call him where he is, as long as it's not at your home. After he's home, that's your sanctuary and you need that space to enjoy with your husband and grieve when the time comes.
I'm also worried about this scenario as my husband gets older. My husband and SD had a lifetime to position themselves so this awful time wouldn't be more awkward and uncomfortable for all of us because of estrangement. Neither he nor she could figure out how to include me in their tight little relationship without me getting hurt. I've been marginalized and excluded since I met my husband and it's been easy for them -- they've always had the upperhand. But that day is coming when he's sick in my house that SD isn't allowed to enter. I told my SD a long time ago that someday her dad will be sick and that time will be a lot easier for all of us if she and I get along than if we don't. SD couldn't manage more than a few months of civility, so I plan on not feeling guilty when she can't come here to mourn her father. She should have thought about that all the years she was a complete bitch to me -- sometimes the tables turn and the upperhand goes away.
I will not do anything to cause SD more pain when the time comes, but I'm not doing anything to comfort her either. She's on her own when that day comes.
I suggest you take the same approach. Take care of yourself. Your SD will find her way on this journey without you just as she always has.
My DH and I are both retirees
My DH and I are both retirees. He's younger than I am and so far in great health. But you never know what can happen. His parents both died young (early 50s and early 60s). My relatives live to late 80s or early 90s. Who knows who will go first.
My DH has been adamant that he does not want a big funeral. He's rather his body be donated or cremated. I would have a memorial service for him at home. And SS would not be allowed to even set foot on the grass.
In a time of grief you do NOT need someone who will pile on drama and more grief.
I think the RIGHT thing to do
I think the RIGHT thing to do is to let your DH know your intentions. He still has a relationship w/his kids that excludes you per your request-and he has respected that. Least you can do is respect his wishes about his own funeral. If he wants his son to be able to mourn/attend something you should respect that and put aside your own hate for the day. Compromise is key- find a 'neutral' location to do a 'celebrating of his life' and SS attends-or encourage your dh to talk to his son about his wishes and advise him that he (SS) should plan his own event for him in the event of his death.
I think the OP keeping her out of her home is sound and great advice because this POS SD will still have a chance to be in attendance to another 'event' to grieve her father.
Notastm3-youv'e mentioned before not even TELLING your SS about his fathers death- I think in the end that is the ultimate level of hate displayed at your HUSBAND as you know damn well that is not what he would have wanted. If you can't in death respect him you really shouldn't be with him. I've seen some far out crap on this boards-but your approach to this goes beyond nefarious...it is outright unthinkable someone wouldn't allow the son to know about or grieve his father....his father would turn in his grave (or the science table).
This is your home and if history has proven
sd is not civil, is disrespectful, rude and creates scenes so drama and attention is on her, then its ok to ban her from your home. This is time for you to mourn, how can anyone mourn when she is creating that dramatic scene so attention is on her. This final day is about celebrating hubbys life and to mourn...
my husband wants to retire in my country, hubby has told his 2 daughters he wants to be buried in my country when he dies. I have disengaged from the skids from years of abuse and disrespect from them and how they do the same treatment to their dad. Skids don’t have my address and should hubby die, i doubt they’d make the effort to fly over... even if they did they are not welcome in my home...
Thanks so much everyone for
Thanks so much everyone for your advice really appreciate it.
How would you all handle,the family. They know sd is a nasty person to put it nicely, and many have had run ins with her too. I know that we they are grieving too, and being Maori it is all supposed to be about whana. Do,I just stick to my not in. Y house rules and not worry that they will then think I'm been mean. Thanks
I wouldn’t worry about what
I wouldn’t worry about what anyone else thinks. You do what you feel right doing and let SD figure life out without ruining yours.
This is not a time to be
This is not a time to be thinking of other people's opinions. Stick to what is important. Peace for your hisband and the funeral/rites he chose and serenity for you to temper your grief. If ever there was a time to focus on you this would be that time.
Peace go with you.
Well said. This all the way.
Well said. This all the way.
^^^^^^^^^^^ This 100%
^^^^^^^^^^^ This 100%
Peace, Love, & Light to you!
Is there someone in the
Is there someone in the family who could be “allocated” to keep her under control for the mourning period, perhaps someone who knows her past behaviours but is able to relate to her. Maybe they could be a liaison with her so she can grieve her father without causing grief to anyone else. Of course, that person would need to be comfortable with removing her from the home if her behaviour is offensive. We have done this in the past with my family and it has lessened the potential for conflict with troublesome family members but I have to admit I am dreading this situation with my SD and often think it will be me who avoids the situation not her. Good luck and my best wishes during your difficult times
I probably would. I've had an
I probably would. I've had an uncle that has died recently, and we had to toss someone out the door for being disruptive. (Uncle wasn't too good of a guy when dealing with people outside of the family.) I'm also 6'1'' and 200 pounds, as are my father and other uncles, so the situation was controlled well. Do you have anyone in the family that can help you squelch problems if they were to occur?
NOT!
Do what you wish in your own home. I would not invite my SD.
My DH has requested that he be cremated and wants to join his Grandson's ashes. We have agreed and have already informed OSS of his wishes. OSS60 will take care of it, without any drama.
SD is smart if she stays away from me, if I am still alive. She knows that also. No guessing in any family's mind.
It's wise to settle issues like such now.
If someone asks where SD is,
If someone asks where SD is, you can be nice and vague: "We just thought it might be too stressful for everyone," and then offer them something to drink and move the conversation on.
No one should press you about something like this at a funeral, so you have every right to make it clear that the subject is closed after your nice vague reply to it. If they press you more, just say, "Let's talk about it later."
If someone asks you ahead of time if she will be there, you can say you're not sure or go right back to that vague statement that doesn't actually say anything, but gets a message across just the same: "We thought it would be too stressful with everyone" and change the subject.
Remember that SD made this an ugly situation, so you don't have to explain yourself to anyone. They've all had run ins with her, so they probably won't say much. In fact, they'll probably hope she's NOT there! Once you decide how to handle this, be confident and stick to your guns. That will be one fewer thing to worry about at a stressful time.
New Zealand culture sounds fascinating! I'm going to Google "whana" right now!
My suggestion: When your DH
My suggestion: When your DH passes, have your lawyer contact her to advise of such and advise that the service will be public however she is not invited to attend and security will be hired to manage this. Also, have your lawyer tell her that she and her family are booked for a private funeral in the chapel at the cemetery of choice on date and at time. Done. Let your lawyer handle it all.
Thanks for your advice
Thanks for your advice everyone. Sorry if I wasnt too clear on funeral plans hubby wants. He wants one. Night to lay in our home (this is where I don't want sd as my space and she is banned from house, as she has NO RESPECT FOR ME AT ALL. and then he wants two nights at the mare (Maori meeting house this is where all the family. come and spend time with him (only close family. Come to the home first.) the funeral service is at the meeting house. Won't bane her from meeting house as feel she needs to mourn too and will have family there if she gets ugly..... Just don't want her in my personal space. Ie my home (she has. In past been banned from attending funerals of people she knows because of the friction this causes.)
I'd keep her out of your home
I'd keep her out of your home and let her mourn in the "meeting house". Protect your home, personal space, and sanctuary at all costs. Your H understands and you need to do what is best for you during this difficult time.
You are most definately.... NOT being mean.
Past behavior being the best predictor of future behavior, you know exactly what she is likely to do.
I would say no to allowing her in your home for your DH's wake. I would also make sure that there is a uniformed security guard, or even detail, at the grave side service to escort her out if she makes a scene. If you do decide to allow her in your home for the wake, have her shadowed by security to make sure she keeps her cool and does not start stuffing items in her clothing.
But... better yet.... keep her away from the quality elements of the family completely.
I hope that your DH's health improves.
Yes I totally would...Its not
Yes I totally would...Its not your biz to get between his last moments with his kids. Once all is said and done, i would cut everyone off
One night of her howling over her dads coffin is worth a lifetime of peace and serenity
I know if anything happens to my husband, i would gladly let his kids share their last moments, then I would move on and go full blown no contact. I loved your dad and married him till death did us part, i have no obligation to you as kids and want 0 relationship....They have BMs for that