Princess SD and biological children
Long time lurker, first post.
I have 5 children. One child prior to marriage who was adopted out, one stepdaughter, and three biological children with my wife. I honestly view my stepdaughter as one of my biological children. I've raised her since she was under two years old and there is no other father in the picture.
Stepdaughter's sperm donor died when she was 6 months old, in an accident that gained my wife a lot of money. In an effort to help her, everyone around her urged her to tie as much of it up as possible so a future "stepparent" can't "steal it". My wife listened to them. Stepdaughter has a VERY stacked staggered trust fund, college paid for, the works. She could easily never work in her life. Obviously that's not how she's being raised, but that's reality. Wife "protected" stepdaughter by making it so that the only way to alter the fund is to sue for it.
We now have 4 children altogether, and this made it so one child is a literal millionaire princess, and the others are begging for scraps. When they're all older, all but stepdaughter will need to work through college, even during classes. I feel like this should be more equal, but trying to is impossible without a court case with bad optics.
I'm sorry, but I just don't buy that one child in the family is more deserving than the others. Does she have her biological father? No, but the only father she's ever known has never left her. I don't think a biological father that she's never had the chance to miss is worth millions of dollars. Am I wrong here?
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SD's father made that money,
SD's father made that money, not you. SD's mother decided what to do with that money. Sorry, you want your kids to have money, go make some more. Personally, I would be more concerned about my kids becoming good people rather than rich people, because money definitely doesn't make you happy or a better person.
I agree with the above poster
I agree with the above poster. That money was earned by SD's father for his daughter, not for your kids. Sometimes in blended families, things aren't fair. In my own marriage, my first husband's family is very wealthy. My two oldest Bios have trust funds and will inherit some money. My two youngest bios with my current DH will not have the same benefits, as my current DH's family is not well off. My DH and I treat all the kids fairly under our own roof, but it isn't always going to be equal.
He did not earn that money,
He did not earn that money, and it was not from life insurance. It was company hush money to the relatives after he died in a work accident.
It doesn't matter. It isn't
It doesn't matter. It isn't your money or your wife's money. Therefore your children are not entitled to one red cent of it.
So what?
He was injured on the job and his employer paid
Thats workers compensation money then because
The company settled privately. Saying its company hush money insinuates he earnt it in a dodgy manner which he did not. He worked his job and died during the course of completing his job and his spouse/partner got that payout which was to support her so she could support the child of that marriage. Not any subsequent people.
Why is he a sperm donor? Was he an artificial inseminator or are you calling him a sperm donor purely because he died when their daughter was 6 months old and you resent the fact that money was invested well while you have struggled to save and invest money smartly?
I think he mentioned in a
I think he mentioned in a previous post that the guy had never even met the baby-from what I gathered one of those that ran when pregancy news hit....also the father that passed didn't invest smartly or prepare in advance for his daughter whom it seems he abandoned...she just happened to be his next of kin likely and the company settlement money went to her.
It sounds like your wife got good advice
She is protecting her daughters assets from a stepfather who IS trying to steal it. It’s not bad optics. What you are considering is theft.
As posters note above, if you want to leave a large inheritance for your kids, that’s up to you. But taking this young lady’s inheritance for your children would be 100% wrong.
Love how you are calling him
Love how you are calling him the sperm donor as if dying makes him a deadbeat or something. Lol
Your wife was right to protect that money from greedy future stepparents, because she found one.
I said that because she never
I said that because she never knew him as a father.
All because she didn't know
All because she didn't know him as that doesn't mean he didn't love and cherish her like a father should. He is her biofather, not sperm donor.
That doesn't make him a
That doesn't make him a "sperm donor". Lovely how you have no respect for her father.
And awards are given for wrongful deaths, as a way to replace what the person might have earned over his lifetime. That should go to his child, not to his wife's next husband and their kids. It's very odd that you can't see that.
That does not make him a sperm donor like he was anonymous
From a catalogue at the ivf clinic. Plenty of dads and mums die when their kids are very young, that doesn’t make them sperm and egg donors. They were bio parents.
If your sd even knew you were calling her bio dad she never remembers for life a sperm donor, she would be so hurt. Such a horrible thing to call him that when he was working his arse off to provide for his child and partner and died on the job
"everyone around her urged
"everyone around her urged her to tie as much of it up as possible so a future "stepparent" can't "steal it"
And you are in the process of proving them right.
Thank goodness your wife had
Thank goodness your wife had enough sense to listen to the people who knew that there would be gold diggers in her future.
Why are you using the words
steal and protect in quotes? That is exactly what is going on, you would take the money if you could.
Why did you have 3 kids if you could not support them? Were you expecting your wife's first DH's money to support all of you?
Hopefully if you coerce your wife to sue, the court will protect your stepdaughter's money.
Your own kids can live at home and go to community college and work summers. if you are low income, they will get aid. Your SD's assets will not prevent them from getting aid.
SD IS one of my children. I
SD IS one of my children. I don't consider her separate outside of this forum for clarity. It's more accurate to say that I have 4 children and one has an extreme amount of money from an anonymous source that she got randomly.
I don't think she's entitled to have so much more than her siblings. She's an equal in this family.
If you died in a terrible
If you died in a terrible accident, would you want that money to go to your kids, or to the next guy your wife marries and any kids he has with her?
She totally is entitled to have more. Because her father died and that money was awarded to her.
If she remarried and he was
If she remarried and he was the only father my kids ever knew, then yes.
No, I'm talking about any
No, I'm talking about any kids SHE had with HIM. You want SD's money to support your 3 kids with her. That's not the point of the settlement.
So by your logic, if one of
So by your logic, if one of your children wins the lottery in the future they will need to split it all with their siblings, since everybody should be equal in your mind.
Children can't play the
Children can't play the lottery, so this is moot.
Seriously? Now I know this
Seriously? Now I know this isn't real.
We are not rich
but XH and I collectively saved more money for college than BM and DH. There is no reason to give the skids some to make it equal. If the skids came into money from BMs side of the family that would be their money, the same as DS and his side. It may not feel fair but it is fair.
You need to alter your
You need to alter your thinking. First, unless your SD's dad had abandoned her for her first 6 months, he's her "father" or "daddy," not her "sperm donor." Second, not that her father "earning" the money is all that relevant, but he DID earn it - he paid for it with his life. Seems like a pretty big price to pay. Also, although you act like her father and consider yourself her father, you're not. She DID suffer a big loss, whether it's apparent day to day or not.
So instead of worrying that SD has more than your 3 bios, be happy that you don't have to worry about paying for her college - hers being taken care of means that you and your wife can devote all your resources to the other 3. Her SS payments help to enable your other 3 children to have a SAHM. Don't refer to your SD as a millionaire princess who will never need to work. If she's being raised properly, she will not behave like a "princess" and she'll have a good work ethic. I doubt you married your wife for SD's trust fund, so just forget about it. If you don't have enough money for the other kids, your wife should get a job when they're all in school (or before that if she can outearn daycare costs). It won't kill a kid to have a job or attend community college for a couple years.
Not everything in life is fair or equal. Back off of the trust fund - trying to break her trust (or even thinking about it) if you don't need the money to support her day to day is a bad look. And most trusts have provisions for meeting a child's daily needs and give discretion to the trustee. Look into that if there's a problem in your ability to support her currently.
I agree with most of what you said
But as the kid is getting SS, per OP, there is no need to invade trust, unless a very unusual situation. Please do not encourage this greedy person to do so (althought I think he already has that in mind).
The SS was not meant to allow the mom to stay home with the other 3 kids. It seems every financial benefit the kid gets, OP thinks should go to his other kids.
I pray to god that the mom does not facilitate an adoption, which might give greedy OP more standing to try to get at her money, which he clearly would do if he could, even he did not marry his wife for the money.
Oh, I'm not encouraging that.
Oh, I'm not encouraging that. Just pointing out that in a desperate situation (which doesn't appear to exist here) there is likely a safety valve, so there's no reason for OP or his wife to sue to break the trust. I think suing to break the trust, or taking from it other than to support SD's needs in excess of SS (eg, for significant medical expenses or something similar), would be reprehensible.
My mom collected SS for 3 kids as my dad died when we
were young. Periodically, the Social Security Administration would demand proof that money was spent on us. Now, money is fungible, so if OP is paying to run the house, a portion would be attributable to the SD. But if OP and DW try to break the trust, I hope the trustee demands to see where the SS money went, because it sure sounds like it is being spent on all 4 kids and they are not wallowing in money.
Thank you for clarifying, yes, i think the trust can be invaded under certain circumstances, but it sounds like it will be difficult. I wonder who the trustee is.
Am I wrong here?
Am I wrong here?
You are absolutely wrong, here.
If i’m reading this right, skids dad died so her mother
put that money in trust funds for that sd as she was the only bio child. Its not the bio mums money to spend freely on any subsequent kids from subsequent relationships or marriages who are not of this expartner of hers.
this is no different to divorce and subsequent relationships where one parent is financially better off and half siblings would benefit more, thats the nature of humans and people of different ethnicities and socio economic backgrounds
i’m from australia which is financially better off than hubbys asian country where exwife and all 3 skids were born, raised and most likely live the rest of their life. My bio kids stand to inherit more money from my country, skids will not. They can bitch and so can hubbys exwife about it but they can’t do anything about it... my kids will have a better and higher quality of living.
If skids are left penniless by their bio mum because she manipulated them and spent their money and inheritance on shopping sprees, my bio kids should not cop the blame nor should my kids cop the blame for why skids live a more difficult life
i think its horrible that your bio kids are likely gonna be taught to resent eldest half sibling of theirs
Out of curiosity, is this SD
Out of curiosity, is this SD's dad part of the occult, and is your home owned by SD? I feel like I've read this before...
Yeah, this is fishy.
Yeah, this is fishy.
Good lord I hope not
If true, they are living in a house owned by SD, collecting SS for the Stepdaughter and the OP STILL.WANTS.MORE?
He wants to break the trust???
That's not true? Where are
That's not true? Where are people getting this?
My wife lived in a condo, but that was from her grandmother and had nothing to do with SD.
What? No. As far as I know
What? No. As far as I know her father was a Catholic.
TBH, I am wondering if the
TBH, I am wondering if the wife might have thought of having more of the money from her husband's death settlement set aside for her own use since she was going to be a SAHM for her child... I am not saying that the OP is entitled to dip into it himself.. but I do see a bit of logic behind his WIFE being able to direct how these funds would be distributed.. and that it might be ok if she wanted to help her other bio kids with some college expenses etc...
Obviously, one of the main reasons that this family is not more prepared to send the other 3 kids to school etc.. is that his wife was a SAHM... she didn't work.. so obviously, the bulk of support of the family fell on OP. Not saying that he didn't know this going into the situation.. and that he "chose" to have 3 kids knowing his ability to fund things like college were going to be limited.. but I can see how he might think that his wife could have had some of these funds under her control.. to compensate for her not working as feeding into the household budget.
But.. for whatever reason.. OP's wife set things up so that even SHE can't access the funds. Honestly, that was a bit short sighted on her part.. what if she had a life threatening illness and needed funds for recovery.. what if she were not married.. and couldn't work etc.. I don't believe that the money in this settlement was originally meant to ONLY go to this daughter.. but was to go to his WIFE and DAUGHTER.. but wife decided to sequester a large portion of it.
Unfortunately, in hindsight.. maybe she is realizing she could have had more control over it.
I don't know 1000% what the answer should be.. I can see both sides.. this money wasn't meant to be taken for kids that weren't the bio of the man that died... but I can see how they could have been at the disposal of the WIFE.. and SHE could have chosen to spend them on subsequent kids.
In the end.. despite the fact that OP raised the girl as his own.. they really don't have too much choice than to proceed as was intended by OP's wife when she set up the money the way she did.
Perhaps, if OP and his wife want to talk to the daughter.. and ask HER how she would feel about helping her siblings..? It really is something that she would have the say over.
Total BS
Becuase the Child is a minor, her mom is collecting social security on her behalf. THAT money is being used for all kids apparently, even though it was meant for the one.
The mother was NOT shortsighted. The older child should not be expected to support the younger ones
NFW should they ask a minor for money.
I don't believe the money was
I don't believe the money was JUST meant for the child initially.. I'm sure it was meant for the WIDOW and the CHILD. That's why I meant shortsighted.. that household (widow and child) lost their income.. I am guessing that wife was a SAHM then too...
It's not fair to just ding the OP for having kids without being able to afford their college.. because I have a feeling that a large part of the reason that household doesn't have more is because the wife doesn't work.. the soc sec she is bringing in can't be all that much compared to her relative obligation to pay into the household.
OP's wife also made 3 more kids without having a plan.
The child's benefits are for the child
The widow loses her benefits if she remarries, which she did. Any money being recieved now is solely for the child.
Many, many people here complain bitterly (and I agree with them) if an ex spouse uses CS to support the family. I see no difference here. The SS is meant solely for the child and the SSA can demand to see proof of its use.
I do not ding people for not having money for college, if they do not try to take money from others to pay for it.
I do not see the DW trying to pilfer from her DD
I highlighted this below. The
I highlighted this below. The fair thing to do would be for the wife to figure out how to get enough monthly expenses out of the trust to care for SD's portion of household expenses. I think OP and DW could use a CS calculator to determine what BF's portion would be, or they could keep track of expenses and pay themselves after, or they could calculate a rough estimate based on how much they have spent on SD in the last year. My guess would be that $500-1000/mo would cover SD while still leaving her a sizeable inheritance AND freeing up OP's funds to do for his own kids.
BF should care for BK. SD has the funds, and DW needs to make some of those available to care for SD while she is a minor.
Please stop ignoring the Social Security
Which they are likely making money on? If they spend less than the SS on the oldest kid, would you be putting money into her account?
She's 7, a lot too young for
She's 7, a lot too young for a topic like that.
ahhhh.. I see.. this is
ahhhh.. I see.. this is looking down the road.
Do you think that perhaps your wife should return to work? So.. then more funds would be available for all the kids?
It does sound like you have a monumental financial obligation with all those kids.. the only one working.
This is your SD's money paid
This is your SD's money paid to her through the death of her biofather.
You may see yourself as Dad, and she may see you as Dad, but her lineage does not start with you. She has a whole paternal line, with paternal family, that you can't erase. She may be yours in your heart, but she is someone else's biologically. With that comes with benefits and consequences of that lineage.
The benefit she gets is money. The consequence is that she lost her BF. That shouldn't be taken lightly. All because she doesn't remember him doesn't mean that there isn't a part of her that misses him, or is curious about him, or wonders what he was like. Biology shouldn't be discounted.
Your SD is different from your bio kids, who are different from the sibling who was adopted out. YOU can treat them all the same and provide them with the same resources. Your wife can do the same. Your SD's BF, even post-mortem, had the opportunity to provide all he could at the cost of his life. Your adopted child will have wildly different opportunities than their siblings despite their lineage.
Your family, even if you adopt SD, will not be 100% yours. SD has other family and opportunities that yours will never have because of her paternal side, and that paternal side has no obligation to you and yours (or to your wife, whose connection to them was severed upon his death). If You were to do for your adopted child, they would be in the same boat as SD in receiving something that their sibling(s) would never get.
Now, here is where I think your wife is effing up. That money is meant to support SD. That means, if you all are struggling, some of those funds can and should be used for half of SD's care (the other half coming from income from your wife). SD requires food, shelter, clothes, and other items that require money. It IS unfair for your kids to go without when there are funds that can support SD's care. Your wife should NOT depend on you to care for SD when that is precisely what SD's money is for.
So, I would propose to your wife that some of SD's funds be used now for her expenses so that you can provide more for your biological kids. SD is not your financial responsibility, and there are means by which her care can be covered. I'm sure an extra $500/mo added to your home to cover SD's food, clothes, and extracurriculars would even things out with your own kids. It's foolish to not use a few hundred thousand dollars to support SD's care until adulthood. But what is used should be reasonable - and I'd use a CS calculator to determine what is "fair" based on what her dad earned prior to his death.
Remember, fair doesn't mean equal. It's fair for SD's trust to be used for her living expenses now. It doesn't mean that she'll come out equal to your kids because she isn't 100% your kid like they are. There is a middle ground here that makes things fair even if the outcome isn't equal (and the outcome can and never will be equal).
Again, the wife does not depends solely on her DH
She is getting social security for her oldest child. You need to take that into account. It seems like they are using that money on all the kids
ETA -- generally SS is at least as generous as CS (note I am talking about SS, not SSI)
SS would likely not be the
SS would likely not be the same amount as what BF would be contributing if he were alive, which is why some funds from the trust should be used to offset SD's cost of care. OP's money should be used to pay for his wife and kids. BF's money should be used for SD. If SS doesn't cover all of that, then DW needs to look at reopening the trust to cover the gap, and ONLY to cover the gap.
I think you are wrong about SS, unless
Her late DH was a VERY high earner, it caps out at about 2K per month
ETA -- it caps out at 2,222 per month. Now, the child would only get that if her dad made about 100K, BUT SS benefits are very progressive, so if dad made about 50K, kid would be getting about 1500 (assuming the dad had no other kids). Please tell me you think that if they do not spend that much on the kid (including her share of food and housing), they should be saving the rest.
Part of the issue is that
Part of the issue is that your wife is counting her daughter's SS as HER own income.. and financial contribution.
The reality is that your wife is providing funds to the home that do likely cover her daughter's share of household expenses.. but there is also the matter of her other three children and her own needs.. it seems you are left on the hook for all of that.
I do agree with LD that perhaps when your SD's needs dictate.. her trust should be paying in. But I have a feeling that the ss really does cover most of that.
The problem I see is that I am thinking the money that was left was not given by the settlement TO your SD.. this was what your wife did .. I think the money was given to the deceased's FAMILY..and was intended to support your wife as well as her daughter due to the loss of the head of household. Unfortunately, when she set up that trust.. she removed funds from her own control.. and I'm not sure that was the smartest way to go about things because your wife is not earning any income now.. and has produced 3 more kids..
I can see the validity in the
I can see the validity in the argument that the mother should have kept some of that money to help with raising SD.
I see none in the argument that all of the OP's kids, and the OP, should share in it.
We dont know if the DW kept some of the money
We also dont know, apparently the DW lived in her own condo, and what happened to that.
The Social Security should be enough to take care of the oldest one. I agree that the DW should help with supporting the younger ones, but given that the oldest one is 7, I suspect that there may be one under school age, and child care could be expensive. it may be that DW should try to go to work. It may be that she is already paying 1/2 the bills.
I think the focus has gotten
I think the focus has gotten on how OP shouldn't share in the benefit.. and I do agree that he personally shouldn't be enriched.
But I do see that his WIFE should also be bearing the relative cost of the 3 new children she made with him.. what were HER plans for how she would be contributing to that support?
My point wasn't so much that they should be going to court.. but that in hindsight.. perhaps OP's wife should not have tied all of the money that was likely meant for HER benefit also up in a trust for her daughter..
If she hadn't then she would have had the option of putting some of that money towards other kids if she chose.
It does seem that her choice to not work right now is creating the biggest financial hardship when it comes to saving for the future.. maybe the goal should be for her to return to work once the youngest is in school so that her income can go to starting a college savings for her children. (or to the household freeing up her DH/OP to save for that).
I do not think putting the money in trust was an error
And we do not even know if she got more money which her DH has gone through.
We would need to see family budget to make suggestions.
She should contribute to her
She should contribute to her new kids by getting a job, not by using SD's settlement to pay for all the other kids she chose to have. That's not what it was meant for, and exactly why her family urged her to put a lot away for SD's future.
I agree with you
But if OP is worried primarily about college and the younger 3 kids are pre-school, it may be be best to wait. I doubt she is going to be able to earn enough to send them to a private school, but she should be able to help with a state school. When the time gets closer, they may want to look into financial aid.
So....you want your kids to
So....you want your kids to be able to benefit from another child's inheritance........?
Dude if my husband told me to put money aside for his kid like I do my own, I'd laugh in his face. If my husband asked me to split my benefits 4 ways rather than 3, I'd again, laugh in is face.
Will my ss's mother put money aside for MY kids? No? Hmmm.
It's sd's money. Not yours, not your wife's, not the other kids.
I'm not really sure why you think you're entitled just because you're there. You sound like the kind of guy who would go sniffing around to a relative who won the lottery to share because you're faaaaamily.
You want your kids to have money for college etc? Put some aside. This girl owes you nothing.
While I do agree that he isn
While I do agree that he isn't owed money from this child's trust. I do have a problem with his wife having 3 more kids and deciding that she can be a SAHM and that her financial contribution is her daughter's Social Security death benefit.
I don't know that I give the wife a pass on not contributing... she is likely the real reason that they won't have money for the other kids' college etc.. because she wants to be a SAHM. I think she needs to rethink staying at home once the youngest is in school and they can take 100% of whatever she earns and put it away for the other kids' college (since SD will have hers covered.. I don't see that they have to give her more money really). Because right now.. they are "making it" on his salary.. so if she goes to work.. they should be able to save for the others.
Many women are SAH
OP has not said he objected to that, only that his kids shoudl get the older girl's money (or part of it).
She also likely came into the marriage with her condo, and with some of the settlement money (note that OP does not say that she put ALL of the money into the kid's name).
We don't even know if OP is working full time? I dont see him taking responsibllity, just looking for others to do so
And if all they are missing is college money, many here think that is a luxury
I agree that mom should be
I agree that mom should be contributing equally to her 4 children....and that the sd's ss shouldn't be considered her contribution, because that would mean sds money is used to support them all.... then again, no different than a BM using child support money to buy gifts for the other kids TOO....
I just don't think that was part of the issue? Dunno.
I'm not sure why people don't
I'm not sure why people don't consider a SAHM to be making a contribution. Not every contribution to a family is financial. This family has 4 children, probably only one of whom is school age. Full time child care for 3 children, plus before and after school care for the school age child, is NOT inexpensive. It may be that OP's wife can't make enough after taxes, commuting and other work-related expenses to pay for child care. Her staying home for now might be the prudent financial decision. Plus I'm not sure what it has to do with "princess SD's" trust fund. The OP has expressed concerns about college, not about making ends meet at the present time.
THIS
Op likely realizes that there will be major changes in his life if his wife goes to work outside the home even if it were finanically viable. All he wants is his hands on the trust fund. And we can only wonder about what happened to the money from his wife's condo, the part of the settlement that she did not put in a trust fund and the money that comes from social security.
My husband has 3 elder kids with exwife aged 23.5, 21 and 14.5
exwife has not worked in 25 years, cleared out hubbies private savings during the divorce (stole it and kept solely for herself), she is sitting on close to a million dollars and hasn’t spent that on their 3 kids. She has played the poor victim.
my husband has 2 kids with me and can’t trust that his eldest 3 would even as adults have my 2 kids (their half siblings interests at heart) as their mum controls and manipulates them thanks to her narcissm and pas.
So my husband has transferred some assets overseas to my country as his eldest 3 are well provided for (have a free home to live in for life that he bought for them).
You can’t ever count on existing kids or new kids and exspouses etc to be understanding, civil and have other childrens interests at heart. Right now whilst my kids are toddlers i am back at university studying to finish my degree. If my husband were to die now or next couple of years whilst my kids are minors under 10 yrs old, hubbys exwife and wldezt 3 would do their best to clear out his assets to exclude us. My husband addressed this by having his life insurance allocated to me to care for our 2 kids to high school which his eldest 3 would most likely be adults then.
op your thinking is so twisted