I’m new to this & need advice & help. (No negativity plz)
Okay- so I would like to start off by saying I realize I am new here. I do not have a lot of experience. I don’t know the terms of SO, or DD, please give me a break.
I am an independent 28 year old, and highly successful. I met my friend “Stefan” at my work. He was alone, and we got to talking. He asked me how old I was I told him 28, and he told me he was in his 40’s. He asked me if I had ever been married or had any kids. I said no, and no. Then he let me know he had three young daughters who were 5,8,10, and was divorced for 3 years, and that he was 48. He is very good looking and young looking for 48, but I loved his personality most of all, and that he was a devout Christian. Then we found out that we live on the same road, and he lives 2 doors down from me. (There’s about 10 acres in between houses, so we never saw each other)
We talked for a while and he invited me to come over to his house to talk more later on in the evening that night. I gave him my number for him to let me know about some HOA stuff I didn’t know about and asked for him to send it to me. And we went on our ways.
He tried to talk to me via text for about a month until he gave up. I didn’t respond, I wasn’t ready to date anyone...until I saw him one more time one month later. He came into my work again, and I ignored him until he said hello.
That night I did end up seeing him, he showed me around his house, talked and I left. We took things very slow. We talked for two months then gradually started dating. We would have dinner at restaurants, he came to church with me once, went to the movies, and I’d go over to his house and watch movies. He eventually asked me to stay the night. I told him I don’t like staying the night at peoples houses until we get to a point where we are actually in a relationship but I made an exception, because I really liked him.
More and more he started showing me pictures of the kids, and talking about his ex wife who was always stressing him out. Then he told me she wanted to move to Florida. We live in Virginia. I want to remind you that we took things very slowly and didn’t talk about every little detail of our lives. I was so into him, I usually like to know every little detail about everything but I waited until he was ready to tell me. They had 50-50 custody of the girls. He would have them one week, she’d have them the next.
Then that’s when things started to get strange. I found out that they went to church about an hour away together because it’s the church the ex-wife likes to go to. He told me that every Sunday they all go together as “a family”. I didn’t really like it, but I didn’t say anything. Then on Halloween they all went trick or treating together. They spent Christmas Eve together as a family. These are all options by the way. He wants to do these things. She cheated and divorced him 3 years ago. I found out that the pastor invited him and his ex and family to his house, and they ended up being there for 5 hours, he told me it was because the girls had a confirmation class and it was a dinner for the girls to be able to ask the pastor any questions they had. Now that I’m writing it, it sounds like a total lie, and I feel embarrassed that I even believed him. I asked if the girls had any questions for the pastor he said no, that they played and it was just him and his ex wife and the pastor and the pastors wife talking the whole time. He always talks about how much of a b**** she is and how she “likes to play games”. He never had anything good to say about her to me. We “dated” for about 5-6 months and eventually I told him that I’d like to get out of the dating phase and be boyfriend and girlfriend. He told me that he already thought of us as being exclusive to each other but asked why we had to put a label on it. So I said whatever maybe this is just what men in their late 40’s do. They don’t like calling it a boyfriend or girlfriend. And just consider it dating.
That made me feel uneasy, but I was okay with it. He would have me over when they were sleeping (way after we started seeing each other) we’d go in the basement - he’d put a camera on them. And we’d watch tv and have fun. Every time one of them had to use the bathroom he’d run upstairs and I felt like I was a secret. One night he “wanted me to see them asleep” again I thought it was odd, but I went along with it and he took me into their bedrooms- room by room and I saw all 3 of them asleep. I always wondered why he did this but thought maybe he was trying to be sweet. about a month later he had me meet the girls at the park in our neighborhood. Just for an hour. The oldest one wasn’t there. She was spending one on one time with the mom. They always ask for one on one time when it’s the parents week off. He also told me that the girls especially the ten year old slept in his bed almost every night he has them. And he told me that the 8 year old was a super swimmer yet he still gave her baths every single night. When I asked him why he does this (because his 5 year old took showers) he said because she wanted him in there in case she needed a toy or wanted something while in the bath that he needed to go grab. So he sat in there with her and helped her. I took showers by the age of 5, and thought it was odd and thought she was too old but again I didn’t question it. He said he still gives the 8 and ten year old baths... and that the ten year old snuggles and lays against him while watching movies. He lets the ten year old take his phone. He lets her pick out whatever she wants to do that day and takes her to Whatevr place she picks. One day she picked Chuck E. Cheese, bowling, laser tag, ice cream, shopping at the mall, and going to the movies ALL IN ONE day. Then he lets her buy Whatever she wants online. He also took her to the grocery store that day and let her pick out her favorite flowers, and got me the cheapest things of cookies. I thought it was sweet. But then I told my friend about it and she said why is he buying his daughter flowers and giving you cookies?!?!??!! On Valentine’s Day next week, he has them, and told me that he couldn’t do anything because he has them
The most recent week he asked me to help him take care of a neighbors dog while she was out of town and I agreed. His daughter asked me if I wanted to come over... I thought again it was weird that he didn’t ask me and he had her ask me. And now I realize why. But he said he first asked her if it was okay for me to even come over.
Today he told me that one of his daughters told the ex wife that he had a girlfriend. Even though I’m not his girlfriend. And she said that it was in the divorce agreements that if anyone new was to come into either of their lives that they had to tell each other. (on his weeks he has the girls, he has to drive far to work so he would meet up with her at a meeting spot before and after school and drop them off and she would bring them back to him at the meeting spot after work) now she’s saying because he didn’t tell her about me that he has to drive to her house and drop them off for school and pick them up from her house when he gets off work. So basically she’s not agreeing to meet up at the in between spot anymore for drop offs. I told him that she has him wrapped around her finger. It’s odd that now that she found out about me- she said she can’t meet him anymore and that he HAS to come to her house to get the girls.
I’m beginning to fall for him, but he sees his ex wife SO much. On super bowl Sunday she had a party at her house and all her family members went. And he went too. And it really hurt me, because again , that’s his choice. He didn’t even have the kids. On Facebook he still has listed all of his ex wife’s siblings listed as his “sisters” and “brothers” not sister in law or brother in law , but his actual siblings. Is that weird? He isn’t friends with me either and I’ve never questioned it. Yet he keeps tabs on mine and asks why I have certain guy friends as my friends and makes me delete them yet he talks to whatever girl friends he wants.
Should I just leave this situation? Is there any red flags I should be concerned about? There’s so much more to it, and I already know I wrote way to much. Sorry for the novel. But any advice would be wonderful. I have never been in this situation. I like him so much and I have a gut feeling that he’s still in love with his ex, but he swears he’s not. But now I feel like that’s why he never officially made me his girlfriend, because he knew about the contract. And that’s why he had his oldest daughter ask me to come over. He tricked me I feel, and he’s very smart. I love his girls but I don’t want to do anything that’s not proper. But I’m naive and need help. Please don’t be mean if I’m not doing something right. I have the best intentions. That’s why I came on here to get as much advice as I could on this. Sometimes he acts like he cares and other times he doesn’t even call me for weeks at a time. I wait by my phone for him to answer me, and I’ve never done that before. He will text me an hour before he gets home from work and asks me to come over. This last time I said no. I told him that I am not a option. I don’t hear from him all day and then he asks me to hang out at night? I like him so much but I’m starting to see him what I really am to him it’s been 6 months now ... I’m not trying to rush. I’m content on how things are. I’m just wondering if the things I mentioned are normal for people who are divorced.
Please help me! Liz
Red flags?
This man is a one man parade of red flags. In fact, I'm concerned for you that you haven't ran for the freaking hills with this one.
1) This man is still in a relationship with his ex. He is spending way too much time with his ex and her family. He's not over her. It's great if you want to be his young side piece, but this man is in love with his ex not you.
2) Bathing and sleeping with his preteen daughter and a slightly younger daughter? Allows them to dictate entire days? He's a Disney dad who is incredibly inappropriate with his daughters. They should not be dictating his life. It should not be up to them if he sees you.
3) He is enmeshed in his former life. Same church? Super Bowl parties, Christmas etc. with the first family? Seriously, he is not in any real relationship with you. But he is with his former wife and kids.
These are only the tip of the iceberg. This man is not capable at this point of loving you. He is not over his first wife, and way too freaking weird with his kids.
If you want to be his side piece, and are happy playing 5th or 6th in his life (after the ex, kids and w who knows what else) then stay.
But anyone deserves more out of a partner than you will get with him. You will never be his priority and frankly? Bathing 8 and 10 year old girls and letting them sleep with him would be an absolute deal breaker for me. That's just creepy and weird. My SO has three daughters. I've been in their life since they were 5-8. Not once has he done anything like you're discribing. My father certainly wasn't hanging out with me while I was a naked at 8-10. Something is really off with this guy.
Run for the hills. On top of
Run for the hills. On top of all that Aunt Agatha said, BM is going to make your lives miserable. If her response to him dating is to punish him by making him do all the transporting, then she is going to go off the rails when/if you become serious and move in/get married.
Please read more on here to see your fate - you have a Disney Dad parent AND a crazy BM. Next she will start poisoning the skids against you or him (or both) and then the REAL fun begins.
Find a man your age with no kids. Don't saddle yourself with this guy's baggage.
The man is still in love with
The man is still in love with his exwife. The only reason they are divorced is because she ended the marriage.
The pastor may be trying to get them to reconcile. Mom may have flipped because she found out about you while the 2 of them are trying to work on/revamp their relationship.
Walk away.
You can't build a relationship without that is in love eith and/or is hoping for a relationship with someone else. At this point you are his backup plan. If things don't work out with his ex, then he will turn to you.
DO NOT MAKE SOMEONE A PRIORITY WHEN THEY TREAT YOU LIKE AN OPTION.
Ohh I’ve been trying to tell
Ohh I’ve been trying to tell myself that everyday. You have no idea how many times I even told him that I’m not an option. The last few times he’d ask me to come over 30 minutes before he got home, I laughed and said absolutely not.
I thought the exact same thing, about the pastor situation. This wasn’t about the kids at all, was it?
If this is even for real, it
If this is even for real, it sounds like they are trying to reconcile. That's why he isn't calling you for weeks and isn't referring to you as a girlfriend. She just uses you for sex while trying to repair his marriage. If you are not his girlfriend, i recommend you stop going to his house for sex, it's degrading. Step back from this nonsense
Should you leave this situation? Really?
Are there any red flags? Really , really?
You know the answers to both of these questions.
You should have never let this go as far as you have.
This is so far beyond red flags that it is a flaming nuclear mushroom cloud of alarm bells and red flags.
Why on Earth would you find anything about this failed man, failed father, ball-less wonder who lets his XW keep his nuts in her purse to be remotely appealing?
Do not sacrifice one more second of your life on the alter of SParental martyrdom to this waste of skin of a non-man.
Never again sacrifice one second of your youth and vitality to a prior relationship breeder that is in any way similar to this manipulative user.
I know, I just really liked
I know, I just really liked this man. I was trying to ignore everything. I’m so grateful for everyone’s perspective & making me realize the truth. Thank you for reading this I know it was very long to begin with haha.
Okay, Okay
Petronella and somethingwicked .... did you two make this forum post, like you were joking about doing on my blog last week? Definitely seems like it could be!
In the case that this is not two of our posters following through in a secret plan they had:
1. Honey, I do not mean to be insulting especially when you seem like such a sweetheart in your post, but please, please, please end this relationship (or rather dating based on your description). This man is still enmeshed with his ex wife 100% and you deserve a man who is 100% about you, not playing games like this one is
2. It is really concerning to me that at 8 and 10 he is still seeing his children of the opposite sex naked, let alone bathing them. That is really gross and creepy.
3. He is 100% a disney dad letting the children dictate his life, co-sleeping with them still, and he definitely has no intentions of changing any of that
4. He is playing happy family with his ex wife and sidelining you, this is not okay at all. When people divorce they give up getting to act as an intact family
You deserve WAY better. There is red flag after red flag here. DO NOT MOVE with this man, let alone continue dating this man. If you really really want to keep seeing him, then I suggest you have a mature conversation with him discussing how disrespectful these actions are to you and how he is hurting his children as well by not encouraging them to be independent and will hurt them in the long run
before I do what I do now, I
before I do what I do now, I was a teacher. I’ve known parents to get really upset and find it rude , if I’ve ever tried to suggest anything. He says his daughters are his perfect little angels. I have tried to tell him that he is a FATHER, and one of his roles is to try and make his daughters have confidence. I told him that by sleeping in their beds and soothing them to sleep every night by letting them sleep in his bed whenever they wanted, isn’t doing any good, if anything it’s teaching them the exact opposite of what they should be doing. Even if they weren’t scared, or afraid if they asked to sleep in his bed, he would allow it. I told him exactly what all of you said to me. I wasn’t mean, I just flat out was blunt for the first time ever... and he replied with this “”I was going to just let your rude comments from last night slide and attribute it to you being cruel for some reason, but it's been annoying me all day. I have never lied to you or anyone else about things, actually to the point where I shared many things with you painfully knowing that you may not understand them or could cause an argument. But I was painfully honest with you anyway. I don't deserve the bullshit words that you said to me or anything remotely like it.”””
i think hes STILL trying to pull a fast one on me. I’m going to reply, you all know exactly what to say and how to say it perfectly. How should I respond to this? I appreciate everyone so much. This has been hard for me because my dumb butt fell hard for him, and his manipulative tactics. He’s still trying to manipulate me isn’t he?!
It is so pathetic when people
It is so pathetic when people play the "you don't have kid's" card when it comes to parenting. Generally all it takes to become parents is two people with the appropriate set of functioning gonads to bump uglies. Quality parents are the ones with adequate cerebral capability to use their brains after the orgasm and birth.
Your SO is one who does not have the grey matter to be a good parent, and like so many, had no business breeding in the first place. As a teacher you see far too much of this crap in the example of many of the parents of your students. You know a crappy parent when you see and hear one.
His comments to you just put the CFO seal on the "write him/them off" papers.
Take care of you. Move on, to an amazng new life free of this pathetic genetic train wreck.
Dump Him and Save Yourself
I highly agree with ChzyBob20's post just above: "Dump h8im and save yourself!"
I was in a somewhat similar situation, with a divorced man with three young daughters. He wanted me to take care of the kids, instead of treating ME like a good person in my own right. Here, I am afraid this man just wants you "on the side" while he is actively spending time with his ex-wife... Even if he leaves her, I don't think this will end well at all.
A man who denies that he is your boyfriend is NOT a good situation. You are SO young. Please get out and don't look back.
love,
VA GIRLFRIEND
If you are posting this story
You know it's all wrong. There more red flags then flag poles. This in not a relationship for anybody except his cheating ex.
This man is manipulating you
This man is manipulating you in a very subtle manner - ‘do we have to put a label on it?’ and dating quite often means he doesn’t wish to be a one woman man.
Unfortunately sometimes our heart rules our head. One useful piece of advice when meeting men at your youthful age would be “don’t listen to what they say, but look at how they treat you” - ie don’t just fall for those 3 little words. Don’t assume because they seem pleasant and fun that they are telling the truth. Some people are masters at withholding information.
Now, as for the bathtub/shower thing. This may be normal for some families. But personally, this creeps me out a bit. There are no boundaries here, and no sight of putting them in place.
How do your family feel about this friendship with this man?
If you stay in this relationship it is a near certainty that you will end up broken hearted.
What are you getting from this that somebody else can’t give you?
I read this and you sound
I read this and you sound like his "dirty little secret". Yuck.
This man is so enmeshed with his exwife they may as well be living together. Walk away. You are 28yo. There are plenty of SINGLE men out there who are childless and would be proud to be with you, ADMIT to being with you, and show you off.
Run as fast as you can and
Run as fast as you can and don't look back!!
Oh please why are we talking
Oh please why are we talking about him giving her kids. He doesn't even call her for weeks and only calls her to tell her to come over for booty calls. It is not a relationship.
I am an independent 28 year
I am an independent 28 year old, and highly successful.
Then, you can do better.
So many red flags, please don't ignore them.
Thanks everyone...
First of all I’d like to thank everyone for taking their time in the first place and reading my novel. I didn’t realize how long it actually was until I re-read it today. I’m so sorry! Thank you all for your suggestions, I was so devastated and needed someone else’s opinions. You all have helped me out so much, more than you even know. Yes I did read the FAQ’s and tried to write with the abbreviation’s DH, SO, etc. but when I started writing I got confused. This is my first time on here, I’ll learn. I knew deep down something was wrong but he continued to yell and argue with me when I kept bringing up that I thought there was red flags. I told him I couldn’t do this anymore, and said that his ex wife still has him wrapped around his finger, or else he wouldn’t have agreed to go to her house everyday. I try to not bring up his ex too much or at all, but if he tells me things about her I will question them. I told him that he lied to me about the divorce agreement. He never told me about it, and that’s why I remained a “date”.
And this was his last reply back;
“”And again I wake up to shit that makes absolutely no sense. I didn't lie to you or anyone else and no clue what the eff you're talking about again. Ironically you are the one that has been obsessing about my ex.””
Well, and what he said should
Well, and what he said should be the red flag that broke the camel's back (mixing my metaphors here). He's gaslighting you.
You've told him what you
You've told him what you needed to say. He's taking zero responsibility.
Ghost him and move on. Consider it an experience that was fun for a while and that's it.
Oh my God, I would dump this
Oh my God, I would dump this guy ASAP.
Sometimes we fall into some
Sometimes we fall into some sort of mode that if we discuss things enough with someone they might have a life changing moment, wake up and smell the coffee etc.
Or we can get stuck in maybe if I did that mentality.
I’m very sorry that it is likely that your are banging your head against a brick wall.
The more conversations you have with this guy the more pain you are inflicting on yourself because he is incapable of seeing things the way you do.
If you give this guy an inch he will find your weak spot if you break up with him with many long meaningful discussions.
Be mindful of absent mindedly giving away potentiall weak spots, to people that you know don’t 100% have your best interests at heart.
Ah yes, a "devout Christian"
Ah yes, a "devout Christian" older man using and manipulating a younger woman to be his booty call. How typically hypocritical.
He's using you. Find someone who deserves you.
One last piece of advice...
Please get yourself a full battery of STD testing. He hasn't been honest with you about a lot of things - who knows what else he's not telling you? Better safe than sorry.
Please get him out of your
Please get him out of your life and out of your head. He will always put the first family as priority. He has already showed you who is REALLY is.
If you continue the relationship, you will regret it. You will get very tired of being the last one his priority list IFYOU EVEN MAKE IT ON THE LIST AT ALL !!
"You are too involved with
"You are too involved with your ex-wife for any kind of a relationship. This just isn't for me. Do not contact me again."
Signed sealed delivered..over.