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Rose_Pedal's picture

Tonight DH, SD12 and I went out to dinner.

We were talking about all sorts of things then the topic of the baby got brought up (I'm 12.5 weeks pregnant with my first child.)

Boy oh boy could SD not ramp it up anymore than she was the second this topic got brought up. DH and I started talking about timeframe, (I'm due May 24) and SD starts talking about how she'll be here when the baby is born right before her trip she's taking with her mom and kept centering our child's entire birth around her "trip" schedule." (Not to be mean but I'd honestly rather not even have her around the first week or so so I can have MY time with mine and my husband's new baby.)

Then we started talking about names and she wouldn't stop interjecting with all her options and suggestions and then when we would say a name she would get super dramatic and be like "ewww I don't think that at all, do NOT name them that." Then started asking her dad "what names did you and mom have picked out for me? What name did you and mom have picked out if I was a boy?" And a slew of other questions pertaining to herself.

Then we started talking about my belly growing, then it was "Dad do you have pictures of mom when I was in her belly? Can you ask her to send them so I can see?" And starts rambling on trying to bring up everything about herself when she was "in her moms belly" and "when she was a baby."

And last but certainly not least she went on forever about how "she will be this child's favorite," how she's "every one of her cousins favorites," and "how she is her grandma and grandpa's favorite," and how she has asked all her cousins in private "Am I your favorite cousin?" and how "They all said yes but you can't tell anyone else!"

Just downright "me me me me me me me me....I'm the only one in the world, I'm everyone's favorite and people can't even have a conversation if I'm not the center of it because I'll just bombard the conversation and take it over and make it all about myself anyways....lalala."

Honestly I kept shutting it down and diverting back to the topic, not acknowledging half of what she was saying and just talked over her when she tried interrupting and DH seemed to be following my lead and could tell I was getting irritated.

These kids man...especially the ones that are only children. They have lived a world where it is ALL about them and it's like a status for them to maintain. It's like they're terrified if anyone else gets any of the limelight and it honestly didn't even seem like she was excited FOR there to be a baby, it was just excitement about herself and what SHE will be TO this baby. 

Just so damn irritating.

Let ME have something that doesn't revolve around HER.

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Lillywy00's picture

Most young kids ARE self-centered ... especially if they have Disneyland bio parents. 
 

She probably senses the tension between you and her, knows that a new baby might take the attention from her, and ramping up the convos about herself so she doesn't feel left out and pushed to the side when the new baby comes. 

ALOT of kids are like this. They panic when a new kid comes along bc they don't know what to expect and some of them are fearful about what will happen to them during this process  

Beat her to the punch. Take her to the bookstore or library and get her some sibling type activity books and reassure her she will always be important too. 
 

Be proactive. 
 

Print some big sis t-shirts and let her proudly wear them. 
Take some family photos of her holding the new baby ultra sound. 
Let her help pick out the baby decor, etc
Let he be as involved (as you feel comfortable doing) which may ease some of her anxiety and also lets her think she's running the show but really you are when you are being proactive with it. 
 

Also, have more baby celebrating with your friends, family, husband when she is with her mother so less you have to worry about her responses driving the conversation where you don't want it to go. 

Rose_Pedal's picture

I understand what you're saying and I do agree with some points. I have never made any kind of tension obvious and I typically brush things off in a funny manner and make it light hearted, because SD and I really do get along well and she's not bratty or rude to me by any means but I just sit here with these thoughts roaming around in my head when things like this happen.

While I think some of your suggestions may be helpful and I am generally an empathetic person, I don't want to just roll over and cater to her by keeping her in her comfortable little bubble where she just thinks everything will revolve around her and the sun rises and sets on her.

I don't think it's fair to me and my first experience becoming a mother that I have to walk on eggshells to not upset or make her jealous with basic conversations and tasks surrounding my baby.

Part of me wants her to start using this as a stepping stone to maturing and, for once, embrace somebody else having something special in their life that she can be a PART of and have her role in that without making it all about herself, because I am more than happy to include her in all of this and help her embrace her role as a step sibling but don't feel it should come at the cost of my own comfort in my home and to speak freely with my husband when she's around regarding things about the baby. 

Lillywy00's picture

You don't have to cater to her. I don't cater to these kids either not even my own bio most times. 
 

But you do have to taper your expectations 

You married and had a baby with a man who is involved with his young daughter who is going to be around (so you may have to adjust accordingly). And yes most of these kids are selfish and self centered. Not saying she can't grow to be more independent and more selfless but that takes time to develop. So if you want to stay with this man, you have to either change how you view things since you cannot change the man nor the kid. 
 

Also no matter how much you try to hide your deep feelings and concerns, a lot of these kids are more intuitive than you realize. 
 

Not trying to be rude or contradictory but when kids are around, you cannot talk as freely as you want. (Welcome to parenthood) I've been censoring myself around kids for 2+ decades.
 

If you want to talk freely without skids input then

  • Wait till they leave,
  • go to another room, or
  • talk in another language 

Rose_Pedal's picture

Constantly. All the time. About absolutely everything. Nobody can talk about anything without her being the center but certain topics kick it into high gear, this being one of them. 

Lillywy00's picture

Has your husband noticed this trait or pattern from her? 
 

Just wondering because he's gonna have to be the one to acknowledge the problem then correct her otherwise you'll end up moving molasses uphil in a snowstorm if you try to correct her especially if your husband sees nothing wrong with what she's doing. 

Rose_Pedal's picture

I couldn't help myself and brought it up last night after we got home and he saw some of what I was saying, but not fully. He has admitted that she seeks constant attention in the past and that she's very soft with no tolerance for discomfort and he has also acknowledged that she can be very jealous (we dealt with that when I first stepped into the picture almost 4 years ago) so he knows. Most importantly he sympathized with me last night and told me he would work on this behavior with her and shut it down when myself or our baby is being dismissed or stepped around because he wants me to enjoy this time and knows how important it is to me. 

Also another part to understand is this was the straw that broke the camels back for me. This was not the first time of my own baby being dismissed and the topic revolving around SD and this has not been just a pattern with SD. This has been several of his family members making lots of comments about "Yeah, we'll when DH did this with SD" and "When X-wife was pregnant with SD this is what we did with an arrangement at the hospital" "Well, this isn't DH first time as a dad so he knows what he's doing" and a slew of other comments that have just honestly made me feel very dismissed and it just doesn't feel good, whether intentional or not. 

So, what some people may not see is I have put up with a lot getting to this point and last night I broke and it was very hard for me. 

We chose this time on purpose as my mom is very ill with stage 4 kidney cancer and we want her to know her only grandchild for as long as possible, which may not be long, and also in the event the doctors allow us to do our transplant (me giving her one of my kidneys) like the original plan was, that my body is ready and I will already have a bio child so no worries about complications in the future for trying to have a baby and being pregnant with one kidney at a young age. Therefore if my mom makes a turn around and becomes stable enough for our transplant it's very possible this will be my one and only child so it's just that much more special for me and it's been an emotional roller coaster. To me, this pregnancy means more as it's not just for me but for my sweet and amazing mother so this is why the feelings go extra deep for me.

I just want everything about this to go as perfect as it can. 

 

PushedToMyLimit's picture

I endure it constantly and it drives me insane. I can't even tell you why & most of the time I am not even trying to have a moment, just a general conversation. To me, it really has more to do with these kids not understanding or learning how to be part of a conversation in general because I don't recall my kids ever doing this but my SS does it constantly. If we discuss anyone other than him he has to do almost exactly what you describe-asking questions about what HE did at that age or if we tell a story about John he immediately tries to follow with...I once did...and tell a similar story (which half the time makes no sense).

Like seriously enough already. Sometimes I just want to shout: will you just stop talking and listen for once? Or...Nobody cares right now! Yeah I sound mean but damn it gets OLD. The thing is these kids get plenty of attention & I have noticed at least here, the more SS gets the worse he is, not better. 

Rose_Pedal's picture

Thank you so much for understanding and actually validating my feelings rather than just tell me "Well this is what you signed up for..."

Let's be honest, regardless of going into a circumstance where you know you're signing up for step parenting there are still things you will never be prepared for, things that get under your skin and catch you off guard and things you didn't realize would bother you so much and we are allowed to vent and be upset and frustrated without being shamed for it or made out to be a jerk.

I'm sorry you also deal with this. Like you said if your case, your SS gets plenty of attention, so does my SD! It's like no matter what amount of constant attention they get it's never enough. We used to deal with big "shock factor" behavior and acting out with her constantly last year at school and I noticed the minute anything was going on around us that wasn't about her is when she would pull one of her stunts.

Like you said about not remembering your own children doing this, it may not be totally the same but I also don't recall doing this nor my sister doing this growing up.

I do feel in my SD's case that this is the result of eveyone in her life treating her like the sun rises and sets on her and coddling her non stop, telling her she's the best, she's the favorite, she's the most pretty, she's blah blah blah.

She was the first grandchild and I heard the story about when my husbands brother had announced they were pregnant with their first child and my SD had a HOLY SHIT FIT and I guess she was so upset and bawled her eyes out and was freaking out about another baby being around and taking the attention from her with her grandma and grandpa and how eveyone thought it was so funny but honestly the whole thing sounded so toxic and unhealthy and clearly that attitude had not changed much.  

Lillywy00's picture

Let's be honest, regardless of going into a circumstance where you know you're signing up for step parenting there are still things you will never be prepared for, things that get under your skin and catch you off guard and things you didn't realize would bother you so much and we are allowed to vent and be upset and frustrated without being shamed for it or made out to be a jerk.
 

If that was me not my intent. You are entitled to feel the way you feel and to vent on here. 

I am going to say from my experience...if skids do things that get under your skin it will only get worse if their parents see nothing wrong with their kids behavior. I am in process of leaving my fiancé because he is heavily child centered (in favor of his kids with his ex) to the extent I've been overridden and walked on eggshells (just like you have) in my own home that I contribute to way more than those skids. 

He expected me to accept him (his passive parenting style) and his kids (coddled, demanding, clingy, needy, lazy ... all due to his weak parenting leadership) AS IS because he saw nothing wrong. Even if change and adapting was for the better....he either refused or slowly/barely changed only because I was so on edge in my home I iced him out in the bedroom.

I declared I was not living like that long term and I mentally cancelled our plans to marry/have our own family because I didn't like the feeling of exoending energy/resources on him and his kids (draining me from being available for MY kid) just to be a 5th class citizen 

Your situation is different from mine however, I realized the only thing I can change is myself and how I react to those around me. If kids do change it has to come from the parent they have better rapport with - her dad  

I only took a stance that skid involvement is your new norm because you are married, you're staying with your husband, your husband has custody, and it is now 4 of you all in your home. If you would have said I'm leaving my husband because I'm sick of xyz then my response would have been different. 
 

If you take a hard stance about the irritations (vs communicating and compromising) you may start to feel resentment ... (trust me I know first hand how irritating and self centered these kids are .... my soon to be ex fiancé woke me out of my sleep when I was in the depths of COVID just to tell me his ex-wife needed a break,  he was having his kids dropped off (while he was at work), and selfishly left me with them for HOURS these mfs gamed  loudly / created all kinds of noise till midnight and beyond - disturbing my rest I desperately needed to heal. 
 

Needless to say that situation was one of the reasons I decided to leave him. He didn't apologize (until several months later) or care to understand how my needs - on that ONE Friday out of the other 51 Fridays - for healing and sleep  were completely unnecessarily overshadowed in his "my kids always come first" simple mind. 
 

Now if you explain to your husband how you felt and he does nothing then you will know where things stand. If he helps you have more peace in your home then you also know where things stand. 
 

Some of these men have an unhealthy adaption to step life and will risk their new wives and new families to avoid upsetting their exes or kids with their exes. 

SMto3's picture

"if skids do things that get under your skin it will only get worse if their parents see nothing wrong with their kids behavior. "

So true! My DH sorta kinda saw some of the things but he also refused to believe how bad things actually were. I think it took time, plus me drawing that boundary that Ss18 wasn't having the same 4 year grace period ss24 had to move out. His kids really did suck a lot of the happiness from my life (but DH did allow a lot of of, I'm sure due to guilty parenting). He told me he saw it before but he felt powerless because of his work schedule and the fact that he has no support or family here. 

Certain he sees it now though, and I won't budge on my boundaries. No more Sss living with me. 

Rags's picture

Lather..... rinse.... repeat.

Do not tolerate the "look at me" crap.  

"This conversation is about our baby and your younget sibling. This convesation is not about you. or your mother.  Now, participate respectfully or you will not say another word."

If y ou really want to shut her down .... "You are not even my favorite kid in my marriage and right now you are the only kid in my marriage. You should work on not being an invasive entitled brat."

Dirol

Rose_Pedal's picture

I like that line! Haha!

Or "well it sounds like you're everyone else's favorite so surely you don't mind that you're not MY favorite!"

Thanks for not making me feel crazy by thinking this isn't healthy behavior for her and does, in fact. constitute correction.

In my opinion, tip toeing around her behavior and catering to it will do her no favors when she goes out in the real world. I want her to learn how to be a part of a TEAM and working together with others and allowing other people to have their moments to shine and be able to be a person that can applaud for others instead of just being jealous which could easily turn into bitterness.

My husband has an employee that is this way, always bitter about someone elses's accomplishments, always jealous of what others have and is very verbal about it. Very 'Woe is me.' Is very jealous and because of this harbors a lot of anger issues that have done a lot of damage to his relationships in life. 

I hear his stories all the time and can't help but think there may be a correlation between uncorrected behavior like this now and a disappointing adulthood when they grow up.
 

PushedToMyLimit's picture

Yes kids are selfish however the more you allow it the worse it will become. It's been allowed already for 12 years and it's not gonna slow down on its own. You are absolutely correct that this is a life skill you are working at for her, not just some annoying behavior that you are overreacting about. I use that ALL THE TIME - we are teaching you a life skill that goes outside of this house and past right now.

Parents have done these kids a huge disservice in life by inflating their egos to make them believe they are the best thing ever to grace the earth. We are supposed to encourage our kids in a positive manner, make them feel safe, secure & loved, teach & guide them as well as BE HONEST with them. Children are certainly a gift but never to be held on a pedestal and what's worse, continually told that's where they sit. It's not really questionable, when you spend just a little bit of time reading on STalk, how we have moved towards an entitled society. 

AlmostGone834's picture

Oh absolutely this. It's insane how the parenting fails are now having a major affect on society as these kids are leaving grade school and going out into the real world. If you're not seeing it, you must be living under a rock. The entitlement is off the charts. 

SMto3's picture

I went through a variation of that when I was pregnant with Dd8. And I'm not sure if it's an only child thing, or just stepland norms, that these children have insecure attachments with their fathers and it plays out in their behavior. 

I made sure I told the boys that DD8 would not replace them to their dad. That they all would have a special place in their dad's heart. I still was highly annoyed with both for different reasons but I tried not to show it. SS14 was the one always competing for attention. "If daddy gives the baby money to get her hair done, then he has to give me money to get mine done" out of the mouth of then SS14. I cringed inside when he would touch my stomach because I knew it was a show, he wanted the good boy image to his dad. What confirmed it for me was one day when then ss9  me that when ss14 found out I was pregnant he was kicking and punching the walls (meanwhile he acted happy when we told him). 
When I was 7 months pregnant ss14 had turned 15 already, and asked what would happen if he punched mE in the stomach. According to DH, he didn't really mean anything by it, he was just trying to be funny. I made sure I kept one eye open around him. 
I remember not wanting him specifically to hold DD. I thought he was malicious enough to drop her and act like it was an accident. DH and I fought a lot, he wouldn't believe it. I blogged about all of these things. 
At the end, what I can share with you is that it may be in your child's best interest to have a great relationships with their siblings. It sounds like your DH is very involved in SD12's life, so helping her to adjust will benefit you via your new baby. Having her want to help, not feel competitive and feel included will take work, and sometimes be annoying, but it's worth it. 
Regardless of how the relationships with SSs and I turned out, I don't doubt for a second that they love Dd8. They won't know if, but it was the work on my part. 
I do think if you can have SD12 pick some stuff out for baby, or help organize baby's toys/clothes it may let her feel more included and less likely to feel replaced (SS18 then ss9 picked and organized clothes). 
I do think your DH has to do the heavy lifting on this, and he has to communicate and teach SD12 how to socialize and how to see things from the viewpoints of others. I know a lot of posters are saying "most kids are like that", and that might be true, but it's up to the parents to help that kid see themselves how others might see them (for example, if she can imagine how it would feel like to have a birthday but have a friend talking only about her birthday and comparing it). 

"Comparison is the thief of joy", maybe DH can teach her this too. Your baby's experience in this world will be different than hers. If she wants to know about her mom and how she felt about being pregnant with her, she can ask her. Have DH correct her (SD, if you want to pictures of your mom pregnant, ask her later but right now, we're talking about Rose Pedal and baby). He needs to be honest with her, in private, and teach her that the behavior is annoying, and encourage her not to repeat it. 
Get ready, because when the baby comes, the shitshow really begins for quite a few years. And I just dealt with boys, and they weren't only children. Hoping it's easier for you than it was for me. 
 

Rose_Pedal's picture

This is honestly great. I love your response and insight as well as your stories that relate. I'm so sorry you had some of your joy robbed by the behavior of your SS. It really is hard to form bonds with these kids when they are acting and behaving in these ways! Then I always catch myself being the one feeling guilty about it but I just can't help it. 
 

Yes. I agree and was disappointed by some of the responses saying "that's just how it is." I'm sorry but isn't the entire point of this site is to be able to come here and vent these frustrating things to one another and not feel judged, or like I'm a jerk with unrealistic expectations because I desperately want to enjoy my child and becoming a mother for the first time without a SD trying to steal every ounce of attention?!

And I have NO PROBLEM involving her in these things. I would love to have her be involved and embrace her role as a step sister! I would love to have her help pick out clothes, decorations for the nursery, toys, help plan the baby shower, etc. but like you said, and I agree, DH should talk the lead on the bulk of this when it comes to giving her a check with her responses and overbearing self centered-ness. Honestly not even just for this circumstance alone but for the overall quality of her own life. Wanting the world to cater to you and revolve around you is only setting you up for disappointment and bitterness in the future. I want her to learn how to work as a team and embrace the people around her for their strengths also and be able to clap for others when they deserve it. I think those are important qualities to be a well rounded, likeable and mature person.

Like you said, I also feel SD will love the new baby just like you'd SSs do and I know it's going to be an adjustment so I will be patient and work towards that goal in a gentle way with everyone.

Thanks for your response and I'm glad your situation has gotten better and that you have helped me see a light at the end of the tunnel!
 

Rags's picture

Nea

SS-14's logic on the hair cut is one I could have had some fun with.  "In that case, every penny your dad has spent on you and your brother he has to pay me for your sister. Going back to your births.  Going forward, anything he spends on you, he will have to spend on her too.  See how stupidity works?"

Your goal to grow the relationships between your DD-8 and the Skids is wise.  I can't immagine how hard it was to subvert your fury over that toxic kids idiocy.

 

SMto3's picture

With this one! I wish I would have thought about it at the time. The looks on their faces would have been golden! 

ESMOD's picture

IMHO, you don't have discussions in social settings that don't "involve" the parties present.

She was participating in the conversation that you decided to have when she was present.  She participated with her own perspective and opinions.

You invited her into the conversation... by having it in front of her.  did you expect her to sit like a dumb mute while you wax on about your belly and baby names?

She is showing interest in her new sibling.. to be honest.. that's a positive.  Because she didn't understand that you need it to be about "you you you".. she is in the wrong.  

Don't talk about choosing baby names with someone there that won't and you don't want to have a say in it. 

If you don't want her to talk about her relationship with your future child.. don't talk about future child with her.

as others said.. teens and she is preteen are self centered.. at least she isn't talking about getting rid of her new sibling... please look for the silver lining. 

Unfortunately.. you are not the first and only person to have a baby.. and not everyone is going to understand that you somehow want them to be simultaneously happy.. yet not involved..especially when it's her immediate relative.. her sibling.

Rose_Pedal's picture

She was not "showing interest" in her sibling. She was showing interest in herself only and diverting everything away from her sibling.

No I didn't expect her to not participate in the conversation and "be a dumb mute." I hoped she would like to contribute and be excited FOR HER SIBLING without turning everything around to herself.

Honestly you are very rude and this isn't the first time you've been rude to me on my posts. I would appreciate not hearing your input in the future as we seem to just completely disagree on outlook. 

Thanks.

la_dulce_vida's picture

I can completely see how annoying it would be when she turns everything around to be about her.

However, it's not polite to have a conversation in front of people when you don't really want their input. I would find it quite uncomfortable to be in a group of people talking over me and expecting me to stay quiet. Also, it takes maturity to know how to contribute to a conversation without stealing the spotlight. Most ALL people I know will contribute with a little story about their own experiences on a topic, and many haven't learned how to contribute without making it all about them.

She was clumsily trying to be a part of the conversation. If her input was not desired for names, don't talk about naming the baby in front of her, etc.

If you have younger siblings, maybe you can share a story about how you were worried the next cute baby was going to steal the show, but how much you enjoyed having a younger sibling looking up to you. That's one way to reassure her that she will still be important.

Rose_Pedal's picture

Never expected her to be quiet.

Wanted her to contribute in a way that didn't completely divert everything away from the baby and make it about herself in every way shape and form.

I can get clumsiness and social awkwardness, but don't feel I should cater to complete disregard to another person and constantly stealing the spotlight from someone because you can't see anything beyond yourself.

I'm hoping to teach her empathy, courtesy and regard for other people and how to be respectful, mature and not downplay others, whether international or not. 

ESMOD's picture

So.. how did you use this opportunity to teach her? You may think it rude of me to point out, but you want to teach her.. so teach her.  She is young, immature, did you, or your DH try to tell her how her comments were coming off? if you just get irritated.. but do nothing to help her see what she is doing wrong.. how do you expect her to ever learn to be better at participating in these types of conversations?

I'm not the only one who saw that in some way.. she appeared to be showing interest.. the reality is many more SM's come on here to complain that their SK's won't open their mouths about this kind of thing.. or will say horrid things about the new baby.. your SD, at least.. even if you think it was in a self centered way... seemed to have some interest in her new sibling.

What would you have liked her to understand about  her comments.. that they were rude? self centered?  so tell her that in the nicest way you can manage.. again.. teach her to have empathy.. ask her how she would feel if XYZ happened.. tell her how she could have been more respectful.. at this point.. she has no clue.. so she will continue forward with no clue.

JRI's picture

Of my 9 gkids, 2 are attention seekers, my GD40 and my stepGD32.  Both have been like this from the beginning.  GD was an only child and only GC on the other side so I put it down to that.  StepGD was intensely jealous of her brother and that seemed to be the reason.

Whatever the cause, these people with the intense self-involbement are so tedious to others.  I hope you can navigate with all the Steptalkers' suggestions.  But, I'd be annoyed, too.

Rose_Pedal's picture

Yes you're right- lots of opinions flying around, but I feel like its completely reasonable to feel annoyed by behavior like this. It's like the annoying coworker that wants to outshine and one up everytime, over time it gets old and no one wants to be around them.

I don't want SD to be blind to her own actions and how they affect others, whether intentional or not. I wouldn't want her to do this to anyone, not just me.

I don't want her to be blinded by "only child syndrome" and think the world only revolves around her and step into the real world for a rude awakening. 

My intentions are to help guide her on how to be a pleasant and likable person because behaving this way uncorrected will surely shy friends, family and colleagues away from her in the future. 
 

Sounds like you understand too with what you've been through. Not everyone sees things the same or has the same experiences and that's okay. 

la_dulce_vida's picture

A simple, "Sweetie, I'm worried about you. As an only child, it can be quite unsettling to have a sibling after 12+ years of being #1. I'm sensing that maybe you're a little worried that everyone will focus on the baby and you'll be overlooked. I say this because I've noticed that when we try to talk with you about the baby, you often turn the conversation to talking about you. I just want you to know that you're still very much loved and have an important place in this family that you'll never lose. If anything, you'll have a great role as someone's big sister."

 

CLove's picture

The family is perpetuating this toxic SD obsession.

Thats worrisome and something to discuss with your DH. 

Unfortunately I do not have my own kiddos, but congratulations on your impending bundle, and best wishes for your mom.

I like all the kind suggestions of SM's whove been there done that got the tshirt.

Rose_Pedal's picture

Yes- there has certainly been a history of the entire family coddling SD as she was the first grandchild; to a point that it has been/become toxic and I have had this discussion with my DH. He has seen it too and has talked to his mom about it and I've had a few candid talks with some other family members about it. It is not as bad as it once was but I feel unfortunately the damage has been done but now DH and I are the ones with the responsibility to reverse it. Her grandma has Brent he worst culprit in showing clear and admitted favoritism towards her and has treated her as if the sun rises and sets on her.

Theres a lot of history with this so while some people seem to judge based off this one story of mine; there's so much baggage with this toxic behavior we have been unraveling over the past 4 years. 

I always appreciate the kidn and helpful people on here. 

Dogmom1321's picture

On the bright side... at least she SEEMS excited. For now anyways. When I was pregnant SD12 announced she decided she didn't want a brother anymore. I literally said, "it's not your choice." Her attention seeking behaviors formed into acting like DS didn't exist. Keep her involved until it becomes overbearing or negative. DH gifted SD12 a "big sister" onesie as a way of telling her with a surprise and she immediately burst into tears :/ At that moment we realized this is something SD didn't want ANY part of, so I quit pushing it and have yet to initiate involvment since. 

Rose_Pedal's picture

That's awful, I'm so sorry, seriously.

Yes- in a way she's certainly not being the worst about this and does have some excitement for it, and that part makes me very happy! I certainly won't want to seem ungrateful as I know this could be much worse.

I am just a firm believer than these things are easier to correct while young and not bringing attention to how her behavior makes others feel is doing her a disservice for the future. I absolutely want her involved and plan to help her navigate this and find ways to embrace her role as a step sibling and make it as easy of a transition for her as possible but would feel much more pleasant about this if she stops treating it like a competition.

advice.only2's picture

I can understand how frustrating it is when you are wanting to talk about your baby and SD just keeps wanting to interject and insert BM into the equation.  Next time you might address it head on “Well SD these are great questions for your mother, you should make sure to ask her that.”  Also pre-teens, especially pre-teen girls chatter a lot.  I love my BD17 but she chatters non-stop sometimes and I have to ask her to give me a few minutes.

grannyd's picture

Hey Rose_Pedal,

I’m not surprised that you’re running out of patience with your attention-seeking SD as you’ve got a helluva lot on your plate! You’d no sooner lost your dad when your mom (whom you adore, as I adored mine) was diagnosed with Stage 4 cancer and, although you’re more than willing to donate the kidney that she needs to survive, doing so will likely prevent you from having more children than the little one you’re now carrying. The stress from also having to wait until your mother is 6 months cancer-free before your kidney can be transplanted must be like waiting for the axe to fall.

And then, there’s the pregnancy itself. Yikes! With body changes and hormones raging (been there and done that 3 times), the normal aggravations of life seem multiplied and you are already carrying a heavy, heavy load.

The other members have made some good suggestions but it seems to me that you need to get your husband completely on board concerning ‘Holly’s’ neurotic need for constant attention and her neglect of school work. In today’s competitive world, higher education is essential and Holly’s poor performance will be a considerable drawback to her future accomplishments.

The best way to get your DH more concerned/involved in raising his daughter to be a functioning member of society is by dressing up your complaints as concern as in “My darling (rather than, "Hey, asshole"), I’m seriously concerned about Holly’s poor grades! What can we do to have her bring them up to standard?” Apply the same procedure to the attention whore behaviour (“How can we convince Holly to be less focused on herself? I’m worried that she’ll be incapable of either making or keeping friends if she takes that attitude into high school!)

Trust me, I know exactly how difficult these entitled ‘daddy’s girls’ can be; my husband’s daughter was a spoiled, lazy, mini-wife extraordinaire. When we opted for family therapy (my idea and it sure helped), the counsellor stated that he’d seldom seen such an immature thirteen-year-old. If my husband had not been so determined to make it work, his daughter would have ended our marriage.

Hang in there, Hon. Things are bound to get better! And BTW, why rose_pedal instead of rose_petal? I'm curious.

Rose_Pedal's picture

It has been a lot the past few years, you are absolutely correct! An emotional roller coaster, if you will.

As of recent visits with my moms Dr and more information regarding the transplant, they said we are a minimum of a year at this point and likely could end up being more like 2-3 depending on her condition. She has unfortunately not made the progress they were hoping for which is scary for me but I'm willing to do anything to help save my mom. They said at this point there's no way she would survive a transplant in her condition and she needs to make a turn around for her to have a fighting chance of this working. 

The other month I asked her if she felt she wanted to go be with my dad or if she wanted to stay and keep fighting and she said "Now that the baby is coming I want to be here and I NEED to get better." It gave me all the validation I needed that I'm making the right choice, but it's certainly all very scary. 

Anway, regarding Holly- you're very correct and DH and I had a good talk that I felt was productive the other night and I am happy to report her grades have gotten better recently from his advocating and hounding her about her homework, although not great, I will take it as a small win.

He was attentive in listening to my concerns and said he will make sure he shuts down this behavior when it is brought up. I do believe he will try- it may be a clumsy effort at first but his intentions are good and usually if I kick him in the butt a few times he will get the hang of it. He's been better at this lately and I plan to stay on top of reminding him. I think my DH sounds a lot like yours! He is a good man and committed to making this work, he loves me a lot as it sounds like you have a very supportive DH too. Like you implied, it makes the world of difference when dealing with their difficult spawn. 

I have no problem working as a team to make her a better and more well rounded person- I feel it's somewhat of a duty of mine as I know she got the short straw when it comes to support from her bio mom and her bio moms coldness.

Regarding my screen name, I'm an avid biker and it's a play on words and a screen name I've used multiple times in the past on other sites, but I didn't quite think about that when I signed up on this "anonymous" website where no one would know this about me and I have realized from time to time it probably just makes me look like I don't know how to spell. So I appreciate your giving me the chance to clear that up. LOL

 

thinkthrice's picture

I'm sure you will keep a very close eye on SD when in the presence of your child.   These are the types that outwardly express interest and "love" for their half sibling but have actually caused physical harm in some cases due to severe jealousy.   

I think I'd rather have an skid that shows no interest in baby to be and keeps their distance.  The former too easily fools onlookers such as biodad and other family members.

Rags's picture

He was clear about that.  He has 3 younger also out of wedlock Spermidiot half spawn by 2 other baby mamas and wanted nothing like that in his real life.  His Spermidiot's  out of wedlock serial statutory rapist breeding shit storm turned SS off regarding the topic of younger sibs.

Not that we would have not had kids of our own if we had chosen to have them. His opinion would have been irrelevant.  As it turned out, SS is an only child in our marriage. His mom nearly died from her pregnancy with SS with severe Toxemia/Preeclampsia so her OBGYNs always advised strongly against any further pregnancies. I would not jeopardize my bride's health and life for Rags spawn.  It never entered my mind.  She wanted more, but fortunately she is brilliant and would not joepardize her life just for another kid.

My thoughts on the opinion of elder sibs, or half sibs, regarding their parents having more kids is that.... could not give a flying rat's ass what a kid thinks about that topic.  These are adult decisions and existing kids suck it up and get no say, or even an opinion IMHO.

For damned sure they do not get to be toxic on the topic.  A kid who would mistreat a younger sib or a SParent would rue the day, and every other day after that, because my ability to tolerate their toxic presence after they pulled that crap would be zero.  There life in my home would be one such escalating abject misery that they would avoid it like the plague.