This past weekends convos between Dh and Bm...
So this past weekend Dh had 2 text convo's with Bm where he was able to put her in her place and after years of Bm's abuse it was oh so nice to witness.
The first event was this:
Bm: My parents are going out of town and I'm house-sitting. I'll be at my house today but we'll be at my mom’s the next 2 weekends.
Dh: And?
Bm: Obviously Ss will need to be dropped off there...(when Dh showed me this I knew that she realized that the CO does not specify a drop off location for Ss-which I KNEW was going to come up)
Dh: Memorial Day is tomorrow and our CO states that whatever party has Ss the preceding weekend will keep him for that Monday, so Ss will be dropped off tomorrow at 4. In regards to you being at your moms, that's fine. (Dh couldn't really argue with her about the location because our lawyer for some reason advised him not to put a location for exchanges in the CO because she said it could hinder him if someone moved???... I have no idea how and I'm pretty pissed about not pushing the issue with the lawyer because I knew Bm would find that loop hole and run with it)
Bm: I didn't agree to that! Ss is sick and he needs to come home! (she didn't seem to have an issue with him coming over on Friday??? remember a few weekends back she said he was soooo sick and he needed to stay at her house so she asked to switch weekends? no no, she had a bbq planned with her family like they do every year but Bm obviously didn't read that part of the CO when she and Dh went to court. Sure she gets the next few memorial days because they will be the last weekend of the month but it was nice having him this year.
Dh: Well that isn't something that you needed to agree to... it's on page x of the court order.
Bm: as his mother I have the right to be concerned and you didn't give him his medication last weekend so I am concerned for the safety of my child! (The previous weekend dh missed a couple of Ss treatments for asthma-it's more so for preventative reasons but Bm had text Dh earlier that week trying to place blame on Dh for Ss getting "sick" but she then redacted what she said and said they told her at the doctor’s office that Ss had an ear infection that was unrelated to his asthma.)
Dh: Look, this isn't up for discussion, Ss will be home tomorrow @ 4. Have a nice Memorial Day.
Bm: As a mom, I have the right to be concerned and you never respond to any of my text messages about Ss and if I find out that he isn't getting his meds we're going to have a problem.
Dh: LOL, you have a right to be concerned? You weren't too concerned when you were smoking in the car with him all the time when he was a toddler even after I asked you repeatedly not to which is why he probably is having asthma issues now BUT that's another story. I admit, I did miss a couple of his treatments because we were out of town and I'm sorry about that but he's gotten all his treatments this weekend so there is no reason to be "concerned". Please stop texting me about this.
Bm: I'm not talking about the past and I can text you whenever I want about my son!
Yeah, Dh shouldn't have said anything about her smoking in the car with him when he was a kid BUT it was just too hard to resist because he's never been able to tell her ANYTHING about ANYTHING without her threatening to withhold visitation or flying off the handle in general but now that she isn't legally able to call him he can respond to her without having her flipping out with threats and blowing up his phone. In regards to the meds. Bm says he has asthma and so he has an inhaler to use when he coughs too much, he has an inhaler that he has to take 1x in the AM and 1x in the PM plus he's taking amoxicillin for the ear infection... She's wasn't concerned she was mad because her family had a bbq going on and she didn't realize Ss wouldn't be in attendance.
Theeeeennnn this happened on Monday:
Bm: Ss needs to dropped off @ xyz Pizza, we're having dinner and it's closer for you anyway (for the record, this pizza place was like 3 min away from her mom’s house which is where she was asking Ss to dropped off at.)
Dh: That's fine but please be aware that when we were in court, the judge and my lawyer made it very clear that these exchanges are to be made at our places of residences so I'm not really happy that you're trying to change that up now (Since court there hasn't been any issues with where Ss’s was being dropped off/picked up because they discussed in court that the exchanges would be at our houses but Bm obviously found the loop hole). I make sure that I am home at 4 every single time you've dropped Ss off because I respect yours and your husband’s time and schedules. (Dh included stepdad because he's usually the one that drops Ss off before he has to go to work). Please keep in mind that I can also change the location of where I am when Ss is dropped off and I really don’t want to start that game. All I'm asking for is consistency.
Bm: Fine, drop him off at my moms, I was just trying to help you out. and the paperwork doesn't say WHERE Ss needs to be dropped off/picked up. (confirmation that Bm found the loop hole).
Dh: I'm aware of what's in the CO and location wasn't added in there because I thought we could both be mature enough to understand that these exchanges would be at our residences in order to maintain consistency. How would you like it if I started asking you to drop Ss off at my mom’s? (MIL lives like 15 min further out than us). All I am asking is consistency, it's better for all of us, esp Ss.
Bm: I'm done talking with you! I'm so sick of you throwing this court order in my face all the time! until YOU are mature enough to co-parent with me, I’m done updating you about Ss. If you want to know how he's doing you can call him and ask him yourself! (...okay? isn't consistency regarding exchanges co-parenting??? lol.)
Dh: There is no reason to get upset. Like I said before, all I'm asking for is consistency, if you choose to not inform me of anything going on with our son, that's up to you.
Bm: Like I said in my original text I was trying to help you so you didn't have to go as far as moms (pfft, yeah thanks for trying to save us 3 min so that your dinner wasn't interrupted) but like I said I'm done with talking to you. you can ask Ss how he's doing yourself. BYE.
I have NO idea how/why Bm is under the impression that Dh isn't co-parenting with her? The whole point of exchange place is to avoid confusion... There shouldn't have to be a "where am I dropping Ss off" every weekend. That's stupid. I think she thought she could run with that loophole about the location and jerk Dh around that way she used to (remember the days when bm would text 5 min before we were to her house advising Dh to drop Ss off at a different location miles away in the opposite direction?) but then Dh made it very clear that he was aware that indeed a location wasn't in the CO but he had the ability to change those locations as well, which I'm sure her husband wouldn't be too happy about considering she's forcing him to most of the exchanges on her behalf before he has to be at work which is a good 20 min from our house... Don't think he'd appreciate having to drive 15 min farther to drop Ss off because his wife is an idiot. Sounds like someone is getting frustrated. I have to wonder if she ever regrets acting like an ass all those years which forced Dh to lawyer up and take her to court. Yeah, Dh shouldn't have fed into that drama as much as he did but he wanted to make it crystal clear that he wants the exchanges to remain at our places of address otherwise he has no issue changing it up as well... So we'll see what happens and if he'll need to eventually take her back to court...hopefully her husband is viewing these convo's between bm and Dh and talks some sense into her.
Nonetheless, It was just very nice to see Dh assert himself without the fear of Bm blocking his access to his son. It's been a LONG time coming and even though it may seem small to most people this is a HUGE thing for us... which I'm sure you guys can relate to.
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We had a No Contact order on
We had a No Contact order on our BM. We also had a third party neutral exchange point (place where they have supervised visitation). This kept most contact between us and the place or BM and the place. However, she even figured out how to jack around with us then.
She would consistently be late. You cannot tell me she is so damn poor at planning that she had to ALWAYS be late. Especially when we drove from 45 miles out of town and she just had to drive ACROSS town to get there. We finally complained so much that the facility threatened to make her pay BOTH our shares of the bill if she was late again. Surprise, surprise, she was magically able to show up on time then.
But we did have a couple of occasions where she would call the facility and cancel the weekend AFTER SHE KNEW WE WERE ALREADY ON THE ROAD. That really pissed me off.
Oh, and once she had her father, the devil himself, drop the skids off instead of her. It was for Xmas break. He ended up 45 MINUTES LATE. I was so pissed I was just shaking.
is a no contact like a RO?
is a no contact like a RO?
We went through this, heck we
We went through this, heck we still are. Fighting over the readings between the lines. Ugh it gets exhausting. Eventually DH just gives in because we are over all her pettiness begging for his attention. Their court order didn't specifically state when Summer started so BM just picks a day that suits her best, now DH was going to have to go into work late because he has to be there for pick up/drop off. Instead of dealing with her bs like last year, DH just switched jobs and gave in. It's exhausting dealing with these crazy women.
Who has dinner at 4 o'clock
Who has dinner at 4 o'clock in the afternoon anyway?
Brevity brevity brevity. At
Brevity brevity brevity. At least DH walked away from the conversations, but he still entertained her.
How about a short "Your feelings are not relevant to parenting." and then stop responding? He could start repeating that and then leaving the conversation as a way to take the wind out of her sails. Because I see him engaging when she's talking about her personal fee fees, and mentioning SS in the same sentence so DH thinks it's parenting. It's not. How BM feels about something is totally irrelevant to him. She is treating him like he is her spouse and he should care about her wants and needs as long as she pretends it's about SS. He doesn't have to care. Her feelings have nothing to do with being a good father to SS. It's really that simple.
She is trying to switch up locations because she wants to get DH back in the habit of catering to her as a way to keep the peace. It's a loophole in a solid boundary, so she is trying to exploit it in order to attack the boundaries and get back in charge of DH. You guys are right to want to make that loophole unexploitable. The lawyer who advised you to leave out specifics is obviously not aware of high-conflict exes or how to deal with him. S/he thought he ex would be a reasonable human being, but she is clearly not one of those. Vague language is the enemy. It's better to deal with the complications that would arise with a move one time than have to deal with constant BM garbage for years and years.
Also, it's no mystery why she says he's not co-parenting and it is immature to rely on a CO. Her definition of being a good father and co-parent is to do what she wants when she wants. The CO limits her ability to make demands, so of course she projects her immaturity onto its existence.
Know that in Modern Golden Uterusese, "You're not co-parenting!" directly translates into Sane Personese "You're not following my orders!" It means she's aware on some level that she's got no power, so she's twisting it around to try to confuse him and get it back. Let her silly accusations slide off your backs, because she is not a trusted source of reality. Though it's annoying to hear that from her, you know that reducing her power over you is working.
Such an amazing comment
Such an amazing comment cadence!!! Thank you!!!