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Manners and Binge Eating

CompletelyPuzzled's picture

I am not really sure how to address two issues with my SD9. I have tried talking to my DH, but he seems to write it off. The first issue is my SD9's terrible table manners. Her manners are about on the same level as DD4. The biggest issues are that she doesn't wait for everyone to get to the table before she starts eating. We have warned her about this before, but she continues to do it. It is like she is in a race. She will literally lower her face almost to her plate and shovel food in as fast as possible. She is usually getting seconds before the rest of us have finished. Yesterday, we had spaghetti. She literally finished her plate in about 2 minutes, picked up the plate and licked all the sauce off it. Then she sucked each one of her fingers clean. My DH didn't seem to notice this. I told him that I was going to ban her from the table if she didn't start showing some manners. He has talked to her about it several times. It is extremely frustrating especially when we are out in public or have guests.

This leads to the next issues, which is binge eating. My SD9 doesn't know when to stop eating. She will eat 2 or 3 plates of food. And, then she is asking me for a snack before I even have the dinner dishes cleared away. I am by no means skinny, but she regularly eats more than I do. My husband is a big guy (6'2" and 225lbs). She eats as much as him most days and sometimes more. We used to eat family style and let the kids make their own plates, but I have started making their plates and putting them on the table. If I don't, she will take more than her share of food. There were a couple of times that she took so much that there wasn't any left for everyone else. I have tried addressing this to DH. And, I have always been sensitive about it. I have never said anything to her, as I think he needs to address it. I am worried about her health. There is no way a 9 year old girl needs to eat as much as a grown man. She is only 4'9" and weighs 110lbs. She wears a size 5 in women's clothing. My DH just says that she is like him, big boned. But it is clear that she is bigger than other girls her age. I think she would be even bigger but we make her eat healthy. She takes her lunch to school so we control what she eats. She used to buy her lunch and would buy 2 trays of food or large amounts of snacks.

I think my DH believes I am picking at her, but the truth is that I worry. I have to think this is not something we should ignore.

Any ideas on how to address these issues?

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twoviewpoints's picture

As you are making the plates pre-served, you might try not putting the plates on table until everyone is seated. She's hungry quickly after gobbling her food because she is eating way to fast. She sounds like a compulsive eater also. Eating and eating and eating because it taste good not so much actually hungry.

I could not sit at a table with a kid who eats meal in the manner you described that spaghetti display. She licked her plate and fingers :jawdrop: how does Dad either not notice or not care?

I agree with banning her from the family dining table. You have a four year taking notes and being influenced sitting there. How do you go about teaching DD with Miss Piggy the Slob demonstrating her ridiculous performance?

That's probably the best way to approach Dad about the situation. Your daughter is going to learn this meal mannerisms.

Monchichi's picture

Have you tried making her count to 60 between mouthfuls? It works quite well as well as insisting on proper posture during a meal. Dad is the problem here if he finds this acceptable.

SecondGeneration's picture

Binge eating is generally an emotional response, if shes emotionally eating then shes got an unhealthy relationship with food and may well find herself with further issues later down the line. Binge eating may well develop to bulimia when she later feels the guilt for having eaten so much.

There are a few things you can do but the biggest support needs to be coming from your husband, if he cannot recognise the issue then its like flogging a dead horse.

Same for the table manners, if he cant see it then you are fighting a loosing battle because the way to change it is to be on top of her at every meal.
Do not put the plates on the table until everyone is there, if she finishes before everyone else then she needs to stay sitting there and for goodness sake licking her plate? No, not cute, not funny, just icky.

furkidsforme's picture

This sounds a little like how my husband was when I met him. Well, he of course was an adult so there was no plate and finger licking. But he ate like a starved dog that was afraid someone was about to take his food away. He would literally be done his salad and full meal before I was half way through my salad. And I'm not an abnormally slow eater.

We talked about it, because it was becoming a problem when we were dating. I often felt he was trying to rush through dinner, and I felt awkward sitting there eating alone with him already done. I had to ask him many times to slow down and pace himself so I could be more comfortable.

He reflected on this, and realized that when he was growing up, he and his 2 younger brothers often felt they had to "compete" to get enough food. If you didn't eat fast enough to get seconds, then the food would be gone and there wouldn't be enough. My DH's Mother is a diabetic and has always been overly focused on what and how much everyone was eating- often with a judgmental frown on her face. But these kids were super active athletes and growing boys who COULD eat a horse and not get "fat".

It doesn't sound like that is the case with your SD, as by her age, height, and weight she sounds a little overweight. I don't really have any advice, other than to consider if there has ever been a time when she felt like there wasn't "enough".

If not, I agree with HappilySelfish- it sounds like comfort eating to soothe herself.

CompletelyPuzzled's picture

I do think it has something to do with there not being enough. My SD9 only came to live with us in the past year. Her mom is on food stamps. She tells us that there were days (especially schools holidays and summer)when they only ate one meal a day. My DH told me that BM told him that she sells her food stamps to her mom for extra money, so I think there wasn't enough food. Plus, SD9 told me that they would have family races at meal time to see who could eat fastest. That probably plays a role in all this. I just wish he would see how important it is to address this.

CompletelyPuzzled's picture

She only eats at our house. She only sees her mom 8-9 weeks a year now that she lives here. I just think she lived so long with BM that she is stuck in the wrong mindset.

WTF...REALLY's picture

^^^^^this. If you don't get your husband on board and he takes the lead and helping the situation, it's not going to work in the long run. He needs to care at least a little bit in order for change to happen. This is on him. I hope for his daughter sake, he does something about it.

LikeMinded's picture

We hae 4 kids and if we'd let them behave like that, nobody would get seconds except one kid. So our rule is "no seconds until everyone finishes their first."--including grownups. That has really helped with the table manners when we have guests.

You could also just cook enough to have no seconds.

Teas83's picture

I don't understand parents who don't teach their children proper table manners. It's so basic.

My SD7 has terrible manners as well, but it's not that she eats too much. She whines and cries and complains about having to eat supper and about how BM lets her eat whatever she wants. When she finally starts eating, she picks everything apart, she uses her hands, she licks her fingers, etc. I would have never gotten away with that kind of behaviour as a child, but my husband doesn't notice or do anything about it unless I point it out. It's especially embarrassing when we go to someone else's house for a meal.

Does your SD act this way when you go to restaurants and other people's houses as well?

CompletelyPuzzled's picture

Yes, she does act that way in public. But, I say stuff when we are in public. The last time, she had ketchup all over her face and was licking it off her fingers. DH actually said something to her that time.

She was at my aunt's house for Christmas. She did that thing where she lowers her head and shovels food in. My aunt, being the blunt, old woman she is, told her, "SD, you need to sit up straight and eat like a young lady. If you want to eat like a two year old, you can go sit at the same table with the toddlers."

Of course, she started crying and ran away from the table. My aunt took her plate and set it off to the side. My DH started to go after her. She told him if he chased her down and babied her after that act, he could go sit at the toddler table himself.

Learning to Stepparent's picture

Is it possible she has sensory processing issues?

I would buy that the lack of food at BM's and the "races" at mealtimes there trained her to be this way. However, unless I have this wrong, she has now lived with your for a year? She is 9 years old. Unless there are developmental, cognitive, or sensory issues going on she should be picking up on this stuff by now.

SD5 was like that. At 4 years old she would stuff herself with 3 good sized portions of dinner and tell us her tummy hurt and she couldn't eat anymore. I would say I'll bet it does, you ate three portions. She would get up and sit on the couch or something and 20 minutes later would be coming up to us saying her stomach doesn't hurt anymore and ask for more food. We finally had to start cutting her off.

At her well child visit last year the pediatrician said her BMI was in about the 69th percentile and the year before it was like 89th percentile. She wasn't fat but she was built really solidly and kind of stocky. Now, part of it is just her build but I told DH before that I thought we were over feeding her and it turns out I was right. I firmly believe she just couldn't tell when she was not hungry any more unless she was stuffed so full it hurt. At school this year I have to send in a lunch and two snacks a day. I would send in, for example, a PB&J sandwich and a side like carrot sticks for lunch, and two other snacks. The first few weeks of school she was coming home about half the time with her sandwich uneaten and her teacher said something to us about her not having an afternoon snack. Turned out she was stuffing herself with all the snacks, and half the time the sandwich too, in the morning and so had nothing left for the afternoon snack and I had to start labeling her food to tell her when to eat it. Otherwise she would stuff herself and run out.

CompletelyPuzzled's picture

It hasn't been quite a year, but it is close. I never thought about a sensory problem. I am taking all three kids to get a check up. I will discuss it with her doctor.

Learning to Stepparent's picture

Are there any other odd behaviors you have noticed? Like sensitivity to touch or loud sounds or not react normally to pain, maybe not be able to really control her body unless she is looking at it? Another thing that most people don't realize is that it's not just being overly sensitive. Everyone knows the kid who screams in pain when you hug them and covers their ears at slightly loud noises has sensory issues. Most people don't realize the kid that can't tell the water is hot when it is turning their skin red or can't tell it's cold until their fingers are icicles also have sensory issues.

SD has sensitive hearing, she would cover her ears a lot, but she is desensitized to things like touch, temperature, etc. I have seen the kid go running full tilt through the house, run head first into the door jam so hard she ricochets off it and falls to the floor and she pops right up looking around like she is thinking "huh? What happened? I know something happened but I don't know what." I have seen her stand in scalding water in the shower crying because she can't figure out that when water is burning her she needs to get out of the water. Likewise, I have seen her play outside in weather that was -35 and by the time she said her fingers were cold I felt them and she should have been crying in pain they were so cold. We spent two summers of regular work to teach her how to ride a bike. We started the year she turned 4 and yes, she had a big kid bike (it wasn't too big for her, just wasn't a trike) but it had training wheels on it. All she had to do was sit on it and pedal and it took two summers of regular work for her to be able to pedal the bike without staring at her feet. Also, she didn't really crawl, she just went straight to walking. My MIL took that as evidence that she was a genius but in reality, it was evidence that she had sensory processing issues. She didn't crawl because she wasn't able to coordinate the two sides of her body. When you crawl you have to coordinate four limbs, walking is easier, you only need 2.

Just a thought. Think about it and see if you see other signs and talk to her doctor about it.

Cover1W's picture

My niece has this problem.
She's a normal kid, other than the binge eating.
She doesn't seem to have the ability to know when she's full. My sister noticed it when my niece was around 6 or so. Along with the doctor's help, she has learned when to stop eating, or her parents put the kibosh on it. I've seen her eat and after a full meal and a half, she'll continue eating snacks and whatever is available if no one stops her.

She's now 12 and a bit on the heavy side but not fat. She also is very active which likely helps. She'll always have this problem and will always need to monitor it.

One issue I see is that my sister & fam has lots of processed junk food around rather than NO junk food (or only at certain times) and healthy alternatives. It's more difficult to get full on junk food than good food.

My SDs had atrocious table manners when I met them. I refused to eat at the table with them, let alone go out out eat with them. So I told, and got the blessing from, DP that I was going to address it, and then I stopped going out. They were talking with mouth full, jumping on chairs, using their hands instead of utensils, making a huge, huge mess on the table and on the floor...awful...and if they needed something like a spoon, they would ask DP instead of getting it themselves (at ages 7 and 9). That's all done and over with now. I was consistent and firm.
SD12 still uses her hands occasionally for non-finger food but I still corrected her up to the time I disengaged.

Indigo's picture

^ Great point ^

SGD12 was almost 200 lbs at 10 years old. I measured her and purchased a 22W swimsuit for her from LandsEnd for Christmas that year. She is now about 240 lbs and 5'1" and has outgrown that swimsuit.

Huge emotional eater. Hiding food. Eating outrageous amounts. However, her awareness of full/not-full/kinda-hungry/hungry is way off. Eat a full meal, wait 20 minutes and then ask what's to eat. Stuffed/non-stuffed are her two markers.

Stepped in what momma's picture

I wouldn't eat a the same table with her, tell your DH he has made the choice by not addressing the situation.