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Starla's picture

Hello,
I have put up some posts, most of which have gone unanswered for the most part (one or two reply's), so im not sure if this will be read by many or not but my husband & I would greatly appreciate any advice & or opinion good or bad. Thank you in advance if you reply with your honest thoughts! Even if you feel that it could sound harsh, please share it.

I'm putting my post in the dads section because its about us both but im concerned for his sake mentally on the big question I would like to ask. Allow me the chance to tell everyone reading this, that my husband is a great man & father. Our feelings, he was shorted in the father department in ways I would not know how to express.

We have been together about 5 years & married 2 years ago. Husband has a daughter 14 & a son turning 17. I accidentally on another post said SS was turning 16 so I apologize for that. His daughter has been diagnosed with Aspergers which is hereditary & believed to have came from her BM. No proof though mind you. Both him & I hate that these kids exist having the BM that they do. We love them by all means don't get me wrong there but a lot of negative comes with them in our lives. They live with their BM now & my husband & I have tried with them living with us.

Husband & I both have always wanted to have children. Long story short, he did so with the wrong woman. She wanted a child & to be a single parent. If my husband would of known that back then, he would have never hooked up with her.

My husband is almost 50 & I'am much younger. We are a great match but age is kind of a problem for having children. He still wants the chance to be a full time dad & I want the chance to be a birth mother. We are lower middle class. Husband is severed fixed from his first marriage against his wishes but sex was held over his head. Now we are ready to try but face a couple serious questions. To have a reversal is a possibility but does take a lot of money after insurance upfront. We both don't have that to work with as we wish we could. Should we make that happen, that is all the less that would go to the baby. We are afraid of waiting due to our ages & that we both have already waited so long to be full time parents that we want nothing more than to do it together as a family & hope its not to late.

So here it is. Sperm banks that are costly & I have one ovary that does not work, reversal which is expensive & will take from the baby to be not to mention it may not work, or a donor but within our budget to be able to provide for the baby & with risks in many ways. We both would like to try at a sperm bank until I become pregnant which is 300.00 per shot that we found at cheapest... What would you do or how would you try? At most we can only afford to invest in one way & hope it works. No interest in adoption.

I too should add in case you never heard, the older the guy the higher the chance for having a down syndrome child. On the other hand, the better chance of it being a girl Smile Any which way as discussed above, the child would be loved & wanted!

LilyBelle's picture

Is your current family situation stable and happy? Do you both work together well dealing with parenting/ step-parenting issues?

Doubletakex3's picture

Wow...a very tough decision. If it were me, I'd probably go with a donor as time is of the essence and pursuing the other options may close your window of opportunity.

Best of luck to you.

forestfairy's picture

hmmm tough one. I guess it depends. For me I would try the reversal first as I would really want the baby to have genes from both parents. If that didn't work, I would try and save the money for the sperm bank.

I don't think this is a very active forum. I would try posting blogs from now on, although you never know how much response you'll get.

Good luck!

NCMilGal's picture

Mmm, Echo, fair to a child to have an "elderly" father?

My father was 50 when I was born. I lost him last year when I was 36. There was absolutely nothing unfair about having my father in my life.

I don't know how he did it, mind - I do and don't want kids of my own; a large part of the don't is that I feel too old to start over.

smdh's picture

No one is guaranteed a lifetime with their parent. My dh lost his mother when he was 14. She was 38 and died of breast cancer. And we didn't meet until he was 44. I love him, but I wanted my own child. So my options were to have a child with someone who would be older or to not be with my dh. I don't think it is selfish to bring a child into a loving environment. In fact, his daughter might have him longer, but I think it was MORE selfish to bring her into the world with a crazy ass mother. Our son has two loving parents who love each other. There are a lot of kids out there who won't ever know what that is. My son will, regardless of how long he has either of us.

And as it turns out, I was smart to not look elsewhere because even though I am younger than my dh, I am infertile. We adopted our son. The birthmother met us and was perfectly comfortable with our ages.

dodgegal05's picture

You may have to use fertility drugs if you go the reversal/natural route if only one ovary is functioning. Also if you go with a sperm sonar the fertility drugs can improve your chance of getting pregnant w/o repeated trys.

Kes's picture

I would have a shot at it if I were in your place. Having not a lot of money available for this, in a way could be a good thing, as I know of couples who have sunk their savings in fertility treatment, spent in some cases, years trying and came out with nothing at the end. Very, very stressful and some causing the end of the relationship. Just have one go, and if it is not meant to be, then invest in your marriage instead and trying to give each other a happy life.

smdh's picture

I guess my question is why you are "not interested in adoption"? I would think that if you truly want to be a parent, any and all means would be considered. As someone who had 3 rounds of serious IVF (One was successful, but my sweet baby was born premature and didn't make it, two were unsuccessful), I can tell you that it isn't just the financial toll. There is a huge emotional toll on failed infertility treatments. We adopted and I couldn't be more in love with my child.

smdh's picture

I see the argument for not having a child at an older age, but what is FAIR to a child?

I see young people smoking all the time. I see them binge drinking. I see mothers dumping their kids on their parents while they continue to live the high life. I see broken marriages. I see mothers (and fathers) using their children as pawns. I see people with kids sky diving, bungee jumping. I see people who have children working in noble, yet dangerous, professions like firefighting and police officers. Any of these things could result in lack of energy and / or premature death. And then again there is plain old bad luck like a car wreck or early terminal illness.

I see people 1/2 my age and 1/2 my dh's age who are overweight and lazy or lethargic. People who are 1/2 our age who already can't keep up with their kids. I see people working 12-15 hour days and leaving their kids in daycare.

So age is what makes this selfish? Really? My husband and I eat well, exercise, bike, hike, and do a variety of vigorous activites. We don't smoke. We don't drink. I take my child to the playground, to playgroups, etc. He'll be doing a toddler little league in the fall. He has a richer life than a lot of kids with much, much younger parents, but because I am 40 and my dh is almost 50, we're selfish? Yet all these other people should have kids even if they're killing them with smoke, using them to get money, dumping them on other people, living in the ghetto, not playing with them, living dangerously because, hey, they're young.

Yeh, that makes sense.

My son has two loving parents. We play with him. We travel with him. We laugh with him. We love him. We love each other. He lives in a nice house, in a nice neighborhood with little to no tension. I am home with him everyday. My dh is here 4-5 days a week.

Wow. Just wow. I think it is very narrow minded to call an older, responsible person selfish for wanting to love a child of their own. My dh's daughter will know him longer. She will have had more years of him being younger, but guess what? He was 60 pounds over weight, worked a lot more hours, and had severe depression and anxiety due to a suck marriage during those years. Now she lives in two homes and one of those homes still exposes her to that anxiety and crazy. Her mother has never once had a birthday party for her, taken her on a vacation (or to the playground for that matter), or taken the time to really play with her, but she is better off than my son because her daddy had her when he was younger. RIght.

FeuilleMorte's picture

I agree with you 100%, Hypovic. I find it's wise to read this site with filters on...

smdh's picture

And that is why my screenname is smdh. I know it looks like Stepmom Darling Husband in StepTalk speak, but it really means "shaking my damn head"

smdh's picture

This site is almost SOLELY dedicated to people bitching about kids determining too much about adult decisions and yet when it comes to this particular issue, they should be put first? Wow.

I have to say this then, 75% of second marriages end in divorce. Its a fact. Statistical, but still. Yet there are many, many, many women (and men) on this site who have made a decision to bring another child into this blended mess. Is that not selfish? To knowingly have a child in a family riddled with problems? In a family where the father often chooses the skid over the bio? In a family where crazy BM has a presence in the home? In a family where skids do drugs and are sometimes dangerous? That isn't selfish, but looking older than the other kids' dads is selfish?

A kid raised in a happy family, with happy parents and who knows he is loved is not going to be upset about what is father looks like at the ballgame. I bet the kid whose father didn't show at all because he sucks or because he is busy working his ass off or drinking or doing whatever other selfish activity he seems necessary feels worse than the kid with the older father. Or the kid who can't play ball atall because his narcisstic mother won't take him to practices. Or the kid who has two parents screaming at each other in the stands. Or the kid who is anxious because his mother expects him to not so much as look at his SM or father during the game because they're "evil". I'm guessing the older father is the LEAST selfish in that particular scenario.

smdh's picture

I think that the presumption that these kids are going to be embarassed or feel bad is the problem here. Several people on this string had older parents and NONE of them seem traumatized by the idea that their fathers were older, so where is this presumption originating?

Blue Belle just because you feel less energetic and think your younger kids are being shortchanged doesn't mean that they feel that and certianly doesn't mean that other people's children feel it. I think you're projecting your thoughts onto these kids.

My SILs are 32. Their father is 75. They're happy as clams and never had any qualms about their daddy being too old.

not2sureimsaneanymore's picture

My parents were considered older when they got together, my dad in his forties, my mom in her late thirties. Never felt weird. I actually wasn't aware of how young some people had children, I always thought people only became mommies and daddies in their late thirties to forties. I believe it was only at the tail end of JHS that I found out my parents were at least 10 years older than everyone else's.

That said, my parents DID confess that they felt like they couldn't do AS much with us because they didn't have that kind of energy (although it was still a lot--prep school, chorus, martial arts, travelling, language school) but we never felt it.

The only one I do feel kind of weird about is BM who had SS in her mid-40's... she didn't want children her entire life but when that was the only thing that MIGHT have forced FDH to be with her, she miraculously gets pregnant. THAT'S selfish to me.

I don't think when a person is expected to die is a reasonable gauge for whether or not it is selfish to have a child. FDH's father passed in his late 50's when FDH was in his early 30's. I have friends whose parents passed when they were much younger.

However, I will say that FDH is 12 years older than me and one of his fears is that he will pass earlier than I would when we're older--and it's true. It makes me sad to think about what would happen when you spent all these years sleeping next to someone, and you wake up one day and he isn't there anymore. It's more likely if your ages are farther apart but I don't think it should stop anyone from doing all the things a regular couple should do.

stormabruin's picture

I also do not have children of my own. As far as I know, my body is capable, but my DH had a "V" just after SD was born at BM's request. Then she left.

I always wanted children. I'd always planned to have them, but when I got into my relationship with DH I realized I had to choose between a life with DH or a life with children of my own. I chose my life with DH, under the belief that BM would forever gone. She wasn't in the picture when we met & the kids were in need of a mother-figure. I chose to be a mother-figure to children already existing & in need.

I'm going on 37 in July, & I find that the closer I come to 40 the more difficult it is for me to feel at ease with my choice.

DH will be 45 in November. He had his "V" almost 16 years ago. In doing some reading on reversals, I found that the chance of it taking drops more as time passes. After 10 years, they say the chance of a successful reversal drops drastically & continues to fall as time goes on.

Reversal is expensive. I don't know if insurance companies cover the cost. Ours does not, & sadly we don't have the money to put into "a small chance" & not have it work. That said, we've opted to give our best efforts to being good parents & role models to his children.

No doubt, I will always wonder what might have been if I'd opted for a life without my DH with children of my own, but all-in-all, I feel confident I made the right choice, & given it to make over, I would do it again.

I have often wondered why God would instill such a strong mothering instinct in me & bring my path to cross with DH's. I believe that eventually we all end up exactly where we are supposed to be, & I feel like I'm there. DH's kids have not been difficult for me to love, even with the struggles we've faced with them, but I feel like at some point...God only knows when, but I do believe that at some point my influence will have helped them somehow.

Considering every aspect in your situation, you face a big decision. A child with Down's Syndrome requires care & will ensure some heartache, but in my experience as a home health provider, honestly they are some of the easiest children to love. That noted, there is also the chance you may have a perfectly healthy child. You seem to understand the risks you face & have determined that both of you can deal with the worst together. Whether or not the money is worth the chance is something that only the two of you can decide.

I also wanted to say that as far as the posts you've made that have gone with very few replies, I personally don't catch a lot of the forum posts. I tend to focus more on the blog posts. It may be that a lot of people don't see them in the forums.

Starla's picture

Thank you everybody for your insight this does give my husband & I some things to think about. We will be posting answering your questions, sharing our thoughts, & my husband has not had the chance to read the reply's yet. Further thoughts or ideas will get read by us & again I really do appreciate your honest opinions harsh or not.

Starla's picture

hello again,
Very nice to see such input, thank you for your time and honesty. Lot of which we do agree to & some of which is beyond our imagination. I do not understand how anyone can think that being almost 50 years of age & wanting a child is selfish but that is how I see it. With age comes maturity, patience, time that is appreciated, & more experience that can go to the kid.

If I was to have a child when I wanted to, the child would of seen a bad life. If my DH held off on being a father that he wanted to be, there would be two less people that ended up with a rotten mother. Sorry but its a no win situation no matter how you look at it. Yea we are older than many new parents but we are not old. I happen to be in my early 30's with a husband that is close to 50. Feel free to judge that he is old enough to be my dad, I have heard it before. If you take the time to ask me..I will tell you the truth that I fell in love with my husband before I asked his age.

Do some of you really feel that people after a certain age do not deserve the chance of a family that younger people should have? Call us selfish but that still does not stop us from wanting to have a family & a normal life. We have feelings that yet to age & yet grew stronger as we aged..Go figure!

To me as a younger person vs my old enough be be my dad husband, I'm left with leaving him in hopes to have a child who I guess who ever walks by if I want to be a mother or to try & make a family with the man that I love.

Should worse case happen, we have family that is young who would get custody & raise the child or children. We only want one but twins run in my family so guess that would be up to God.

For all the people who feel that we are to old to have a child & therefor being selfish, how about you giving up the most important thing in your life that you ever wanted & accept that you are selfish for wanting it in the first place. I'm sorry to sound rude..but how do you think them comments made us feel as we wondered how we should go about running after our dreams unselfishly??

Short history of DH & I if you have a heart to listen, DH was born to a elder man who could not be a better man. I was born to a father who was young but he is not in my life. Funny how that works! To this day, I try to get my dad to have a relationship with me but all he cares about, really is himself. So I have learned that the only selfish people (wanting a child) are people who was in a war. Heck my dad has a new car & is six hours away from me but expects DH & I to visit him if I want to see him. My dad does not work & is able to drive but guess his life is better than ours for such a trip... So someone please tell me that young people should be the ones to have kids........

If I had choice, I would be born to a man of maturity no matter the age but thats me. Even if it meant only but so many years of a father being around is still better than a deadbeat dad like what I have.

My feelings are young people should not be the ones starting family for they just do not have a taste of life yet. But thats my opinion!

Adoption,,sounds to good to be true so we do not consider that. Believe its an awfully expensive process & the age child we would want would already be messed up. Not fair what I say on that for we do not know enough about adoption. Before I met my DH, I wanted to adopt a child & after attempting to raise my DH's kids, that scared me pretty bad. Not the normal kids a person would think. They being themselves was all it took for me to see how a birth parent could mess up a kid. On that issue, im just afraid. DH & I now know that you can't save anyone unless they want to be saved. That's all we know with that.

I would like to say thank you everybody, harsh is good for a person but grow a heart when you want to come across bold for some of which sounded cold. People are not necessarily selfish for wanting & able but no matter the age, we all have feelings, wants, desires.

DH & I if chance given would be kick ass parents!!!

stone1215's picture

he was fixed when you met him . did you know this before getting married ? if so you accepted that you would not have kids with him . i am a man and believe me no man would ever get a vasectomy against his will because sex was held over his head . men still think getting a vasectomy is getting your balls cut off . he would have gotten sex elsewhere before cutting into his little buddy .

that being said if you are insistent on having a kid sperm banks do not use sperm from old men and have a very thorough medical background of the sperm you will choose . so there should be no problems . but more importantly if the cost of getting the donor sperm expensive for you wait until you get the bills that come with a kid . good luck ...

Starla's picture

It was my dad that told me "the older the guy the higher the chance for the child to have down syndrome" but what you said Skygoddess, sounds more accurate! Thank you for pointing that out to me.

We won't go broke trying to become pregnant SebringLad if that is what you mean by quitting while we are ahead.

We decided to save up for a reversal, if it works great & if it don't then so be it. Us wanting to start a family together will always be there for us & that is great cause for it it means that we are a couple who are happy together & have love to share.