SS23 having a fit now that he has to move out.
My dh was out of ss24's life for a couple years when he was a kid, and has tried very hard to make up, as far as possible, since then. He always paid child support and fought in court to see him, etc. Long story, but we let my then 22 year old ss move in with us rent free after graduating college to save up some $ and pay off a little debt, get a car, basically get "started" My dh helped him get a job at dh's workplace, and for several months we gave him rides to work and then to see his girlfriend - sometimes driving almost 2 hours each way. We then helped him find ways to get around on his own...renting a car, doing carshare, and then finally got his own used vehicle, trying to nudge him toward adulthood and responsibility in baby steps.
We have a VERY small house (pretty much a 'tiny house', with an unfinished but cozy basement where ss is staying) only one bedroom and bath. So it has been challenging, to say the least. His mom lives about 20 minutes away and he would go there on weekends and help her with things - her condition to letting him stay there rent free, supposedly. We did ask him to keep his space clean and help with a couple projects, which he "sort of" did. BAsically he comes home, gets his own meals, washes dishes and spends the rest of the evening on facetime or the phone with girlfriend, and they are in that sickening sweet stage - baby talk, drama, ugh. We can hear almost everything because our home is so small.
Originally the arrangement was to last one summer, because he was going to grad school to be a chiropractor. (We already knew he would move back with mom during Chiro school as it is right by her house). So he made QUITE a point of saying he wouldn't be working at my dh's workplace long (like, I'm too good for this, even said to the manager he wanted it to be clear this was TEMPORARY, and was shocked to find out that people there also had college degrees because it is manufacturing). Then, he didn't really do his due diligence for school and couldn't start last fall after all. So, he had to swallow his pride, keep the job and we relented and said he could stay a while longer. No rent. This was last September.
Finally, we decided it was time to set a move-out date, and since he doesn't like change, we sat down with him in February and said we'd like to have the move out date be the first week of June so he'd have plenty of time to plan. He seemed fine with that. NOW, he asks my hubby out for a private dinner last night, (poor DH probably thought ss was going to thank him or something, lol) and tells dh that he is mad, that he feels like we are "kicking him out", that he can't say how he feels because dh controls the conversation (that sounds like a quote from the bio mom if I ever heard one) bla bla bla. Sheesh. DH adores his son, and has said to him over and over that he loves him, is proud of him, etc. He does NOT try to 'control' the conversation - I've sat right there and listened, but he does NOT just accept all the blame for ss's issues. AND he won't change the outcome or decision just because ss is having a fit. DH said he was sorry ss didn't come to him sooner, that all he needs to do is ask to talk, dh will listen. For goodness sakes, he's almost 24 years old now. DH just told him, it's TIME> You need to be an adult. THEN he brought up that my daughter lived with us for only about a year during college and that to be fair we can't just let him stay there as long as he'd like. SS didn't like that (he is the only child) at all. Said it was so 'subjective' - whatever he means by that. MY daughter moved in with us when her ex left her (she caught him with kiddie porn!)- she was in school fill time, working full time and a single mom - AND she paid rent, helped with utilities and CLEANED. So actually, we are being far more "fair" to him. But DH doesn't want to even point that out. SS has always been an only child, so he has no concept of how it works when you have to consider all the kids. In his world, it is all about him. bla.
We need our house back, our privacy, our quiet time without listening to his convo ALL evening. So dh, bless him, stuck by his guns.
I'm proud of dh, but sooooo disappointed in ss. Seems like he could have slipped a "thank you' in there. I don't expect it anymore, but usually I get along with ss just fine, and to have him do this is pissing me off. He seems to think of himself as a victim and that is just not going to serve him well.
So Here's where I need some advice or someone to 'talk me off the ledge'. I am very tempted to sit ss down and 'enlighten' him on a couple of things (how much more of a good deal he had than his stepsister, for starters), that it was stressful for US too, that we have given up quite a bit to have him here, and we did it gladly too. I am so sick of his blaming dad or saying crap I've heard him say to his gf, like, we bonded because we both didn't really 'have' a dad - bs! My parents both died when I was young - let ME tell you what it's like to REALLY not have a dad, because your experience is NOT THAT, trust me. They both want to blame issues on other people, fine, but I'm sick to death of it.
Or, I swallow my anger, try to just make it till the first week of June and hope for the best. grrrrr.
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I would let it go, you do not
I would let it go, you do not have to defend your actions nor do you owe him any explanations.
I have to admit, though, if he continues to bring it up and be an ass, I'd be tempted to point some stuff out to him.
It's the temptation that gets
It's the temptation that gets to me!!! We have had good discussions before and he seems to "get it". Like he is the 'angry athiest' and has posted some nasty things on FB, knowing full well I worked at a church for 11 years. We are totally accepting of his views, but he has not always returned the favor - I pointed out that his 'intolerance' was NO different than the intolerance of what he was accusing other people of having, and he did totally see it, even came up with some insightful remarks about his own bahavior/choices. I felt great about being his sm in that moment! So it's hard to resist the temptation at this moment, even though I'm not sure it would help. I Gotta remember, you can't change people - doesn't work, doesn't work, doesn't work.
I am with you.. I probably
I am with you.. I probably don't bite my tongue as much as I should when it comes to my DH's kids. My feeling is that if they don't become fine upstanding members of society.. it will be MY basement they land in..lol. Don't get me wrong, I know kids can need a little help (as in my discussion about the possibility of renting a house to my SD).
You are really lucky your DH stuck to his guns. I am sure that SS thought that if he got your husband "alone and away from that evil step mother).. that he could get him to let him stay forever. Then it would have been them against YOU. My younger step daughter definitely uses the tactic of divide and conquer. She will keep asking different people the same question hoping for a better answer.
Once she called me about 930 at night and asked if she could stay at the BF house. I said she needed to talk to Granny (who she lives with) DH was out of town working so he couldn't weigh in. She then said.. "oh I've talked to granny she said it's ok if it's ok with you".. well, I spoke to granny the next day who said she didn't say that. She told her to call me..lol. So she twisted things just enough so that neither her nor Granny knew exactly what the other said.
In your case, I would be ready for SS to leave. If DH has set the date, I would let him drive conversations. I would make sure DH helps SS have a move out plan too.. as the time gets closer.
Thanks for the wisdom...SO
Thanks for the wisdom...SO hard to keep my mouth shut. Don't know why I care what ss thinks, but I do. It just seems so out of balance. *sigh*. But my dh came in before work and actually thanked me for everything I had done for his son while he was here. Speechless - makes up for everything!!
Unless the SS starts
Unless the SS starts complaining directly "TO" you.. I would let DH be the "bad guy" If SS starts complaining to you about the situation.. then you have every right to point out that DH and you have given him a lot of help.. but DH thinks this next step is the best way to help him.
Well done hubby!! I have an
Well done hubby!!
I have an older step brother, 5 years older. He must have been around 22/23 because I was still living at home and I moved out at 18. Now, my step brother did actually move out the first time at 18, he got himself a private flat and was doing well, but he lost his job, got behind on rent and in the midst of struggling financially was eating badly, got depressed and didnt reach out for help until it was too late. He ended up being asked to leave his flat, and in the midst of all that got diagnosed with some health issues so my father and step mother (his BM) invited him to move back in with them to get him back on his feet.
Like your scenario, in the original agreement there was no time frame, it was a "till you get back on your feet" type thing, then as months go past and behaviors start getting too comfortable, my father and step mother got frustrated with his lack of effort to get out.
A similar conversation happened, they sat him down to talk about setting a move out date, except, unlike your SS, it was during THAT conversation that my step brother flipped the "unfair" card. Result? He was kicked out with immediate effect.
Hes in his 30s now, guess where hes living? You guessed it, back with my father and step mother. Insult to injury? My father is the sole financial provider to the household but step mother continually brings him home. Shes able to hold firm for a month or two in which time she convinces my father that he needs more time; jobs are hard to come by these days, if he doesnt have a car he cant get to jobs or if he has a car and is living in his car he wont get employed because of his appearance.
Hold firm and hugs for your husband, I hope he felt more anger than hurt with his sons comments.
No need to discuss it unless
No need to discuss it unless he directly confronts you or you and DH jointly with it. Then blast him. Give him clarity on what "not having a dad" really means and reference your personal experience.
If he confronts you or you and DH directly then blast him. Give him clarity on what it really means to “not really have a dad”. Reference your experience and if he pushes it give him clarity on the facts of the entire history of the Custody/Visitation/Support situation and leave him slack jawed.
Either way, stick to the end of the first week of June eviction date.
Good luck.
Good words - last night my dh
Good words - last night my dh said that he had mentioned to ss23 during the convo that my daughter moved in with us ONLY BECAUSE she really needed to, and she worked hard to get back on her own asap. So I think ss23 has heard as much as he lets himself. He also said ss23 tried to bring up that we "made" him go to church when he was a kid, as if that was some big deal, or some sort of damaging behavior. Sheesh. we have about the most liberal, non-denom, peace loving and non-political church in the world - the kids played video games about half the time. We always told him that he had to make his own choices around it, so WTF??? AND said when we mentioned the move-out date he felt "abandoned" - he trots this one out a lot. It sounds like a script from his bio mom. We have told him over and over that we are here for him, just trying to help him move toward adulthood in a healthy way. Just pulling out all the cards to remain in the victim role, or try to keep manipulating dad by guilt. Not working, lol! DH told him that he gets to feel however he feels, and that he loves him and wants to have time with him, but that maybe it would help ss to look at positive things too, instead of the constant focus on the negative.
DH said this was the exact kind of thing the bio-mom would pull all the time - manipulation, threatening to kill herself if she didn't get her way, screaming and swearing at him, which I have witnessed myself, making him sleep in a different room so she could "cuddle" with her girlfriends, on and on... etc. It pretty much traumatized my dh and they were married only one year...so seeing this behavior from ss, even some of the time, is hard for him.
Anyway, yeah, DH said he is just "done". He said "you and I know we have done the very best we could, and if he wants to play the victim card, I'm not biting and I'm not rewarding that behavior, because it isn't good for him He knows in his heart we are here for him and someday he'll see it". Said he couldn't wait to get our privacy back and not have kids underfoot so we could enjoy our life TOGETHER. So proud of him!!!
Oh.. yeah.. "abandoned" that
Oh.. yeah.. "abandoned" that is the favorite guilt word for kids with divorced parents. They don't always see how hard it was for their parent to be in a relationship with a toxic person.. even a person that as an adult the ASD doesn't have much contact with her mom because she is so toxic. But she still resents daddy leaving her.. even though it was her BM that made things so damn difficult. She still loves daddy and lucky me wasn't there when they broke up.. so it's not my fault but whenever she has issues in her life.. she will trot out the "i have a hard time loving people because I was abandoned"..rolls eyes..here.
Right - we've all been
Right - we've all been "abandoned" in some way - no excuse for anything. Good to know ss isn't the only one who throws that out. Man, it's hard enough to be a divorced parent with all the guilt and everything, dealing with a crazy ex...doing your best, then getting beat over the head with buzz words like "abandoned". grrr.
Can I rent your DH?
Can I rent your DH?
LOL! That's what all the
LOL! That's what all the retired neighborhood ladies say too - he's the 'darling' of the village. Plus, he was a professional massage therapist when we met - bonus!