need advice- dating a single dad
hello everyone,
this is the first time I have ever joined an online forum to discuss my personal life. we'll see how this goes!
I'm 27 years old, never been married and am now in a serious relationship with a 32 year old man who has an 8 yr old child from his previous marriage. We've been together for 2 years now, and our relationship has been absolutely superb. He was very upfront about being a dad, and in fact I have to admit his relationship with his son is one reason I was drawn to him. He's an exceptional father with an exceptional son. Several months into our relationship I met his son, and we became good friends. he's an extremely bright, beautiful, and disciplined child, and lives with his mother who has at this time full physical custody.
I feel like I'm at a cross road because our relationship is very serious right now and we've been discussing marriage for a while, but I keep having cold feet because I'm unsure about the future I will have given the circumstances.
I absolutely love this man. He is very intelligent, patient, kind, accomplished (and handsome :)). We're both PhD students, in the same field, and have maaaaany shared interests. we look up to each other, learn from each other, and have a genuinely loving, peaceful, and respectful relationship. He is truly everything I have wanted in a partner.
If his ex-wife was not in the picture I wouldn't have given the idea of marrying him a second thought! the problem is that she is a very difficult person to deal with. she is emotionally unstable, and practically impossible to reason with.
I personally have met her once, and we had a civil respectful conversation;she even said she hoped his ex would stay with me, since their son seemed to like me a lot. since that conversation i've always held a soft spot for her, and always try to give her the benefit of the doubt. but unfortunately she is very unstable, and unpredictable. she has on several occasions made life very very difficult for us. For example by not allowing my partner to see his son, by saying negative things about him to their son, and worst of all by being unreasonable in her disciplinary methods with their son. this has also taken a toll on me. i have grown very fond of my partner's son, and when i hear of her being unbearably strict
with him, it truly breaks my heart. I'm worried for his son, and sometimes think it really is best for him to live with his father. this is something my partner would prefer too. but there are several issues, both the ex is likely not to allow that (she gets benefits from being a single mom and wants the child support) and is also obviously attached to her son (though on several occasions she has frantically expressed that she no longer can handle taking care of their son.) the other issue is in the case that he does manage to get custody, i'm not sure whether I'm ready to be a full-time step mother. I have a great relationship with him, i love children, but am simply scared of not being able to handle it. I'm already disturbed by the fact that my partner has to spend so much money on a lawyer and possibly go to court to deal with her insane outbursts and unpredictable behavior. I don't know for how long I can handle this. but on the other hand, i truly love my partner, and can't imagine being without him. i should also add that he married his ex at a very young age, in somewhat of an "arranged marriage" and was never in love with her. so the feelings of jealousy that some may feel towards an ex are absent here. furthermore, no one in my partner's family or among his friends likes this woman. i have a very strong relationship with his family, and love them very much. I also really admire his friends, and i think they like me too. my parents also adore my partner, but are very hesitant to "give their blessings" because of his ex and the complications of having a child in the picture...
ahhhh! I don't know what to do!
any words of wisdom would be greatly appreciated!
RUN RUN RUN RUN IT
RUN RUN RUN RUN IT DOESN'T GET BETTER ONLY WORST!! One of my fave things about my DH was how he was with his daughter...now i have one of his daughter and are stuck in h,,l at times. Crazy BM only get worst with time.Whats happening now isn't as bad as it will be when you say I DO.
Yep... What btmbsm said...
Yep... What btmbsm said...
I hate the frantic "RUN"
I hate the frantic "RUN" comments. It sounds like a lot of things are in your favor: a great man, a good, disciplined son that you get along with and a mom who is willing to discipline.
I would act cautiously and make sure you and your future DH are seeing eye to eye on the future. I have problems with BM but my DH backs me 100% and because of that it's not really an issue. Good luck to you!
thanks so much for the
thanks so much for the advice. I have to admit i'm even more confused than before!
we had initially considered getting married in the next few months since this limbo status is also quite bothersome...but I think I'm going to hold off on that for a while longer.
I have made it clear to my partner that I cannot handle being in the same town as his ex, and so far that has worked fine, since i actually live in a different state. Given how hard it is to find a job these days he's likely to find a job in a different state from where his son and ex live, and so he says he would have to cope with that separation regardless of whether I was in his life or not. He has spent the last 9 months in the same town as me and has made regular visits every month and half to see his son across the country.
I so desperately want things to work out between us because we have such a solid relationship, but I also feel that I will always be just waiting for his ex's next crazy mood. the good thing is my partner does not at all give in to her, and he has a very very formal relationship with her. they mostly communicate via email regarding technicalities of when to see their son and so on. Though of course phone calls are inevitable. Generally though neither shares details about their lives. for example my partner doesnt know exactly where his ex works or whether she is dating anyone unless she volunteers the information. Though I suppose this will change once his son is older and more likely to communicate information from one side to the other.
I think I will focus on myself for a while, and make sure i don't make plans revolving around him..until i figure things out. it's extremely difficult though when family members are involved and you belong to a traditional community that wants to be involved with every step of your life. one of the things that bothers me a lot is the worry that my parents have to go through. i try to keep them out of my problems, but in the long run its inevitable that they would find out.
a part of me thinks that no relationship is perfect, and its so hard to find someone that you have so much in common with and has so many excellent qualities. But i also worry that the problems will overwhelm the positives.
also, i've heard from some that when you have your own child, feelings of jealousy creep in and one's previously affectionate feelings towards the step child decrease.. is this really the case for everyone? my partner's son is such a bright and kind kid that I feel he would be a wonderful older brother, and i have no expectations of being like a mother to him, but more like an older friend. so far it's worked...but what if at 13 he's nothing like what he's like now, a polite, 8 yr old who's about 5 years above his class in intelligence and one of the best behaved kids in his school. what if the mother manipulates him into despising me?
ahhh man. life is complicated!
I don't believe in telling
I don't believe in telling people what they should or shouldn't do. All I can share with you is my personal experience but it's actually a bit similar to yours. Hopefully this may help you make up your mind...
My fiance was a single dad when I met him. His daughter was just a little over 1, I was 26, and he was 29. I am completely in love with this man and when I finally met his daughter, I thought she was an absolute doll. I decided he was the one for me because I had never met anyone I was so crazy about before who felt the same about me and we just have the greatest relationship. Since we decided to be a couple, live together, and are now engaged, I can't say life has been easy. In fact it's been downright awful at times. Over the course of only 2 years, I stuck with my man through a horrendous custody battle with the courts, a divorce as he was not able to get divorced until custody was settled, him getting laid off, us moving 3 different times, becoming a full time step-mother, dealing with a junkie bio-mom who is currently in prison, and now planning a wedding. I guess what I'm trying to say is that no matter what, relationships aren't easy. You will always have obstacles in front of you that both of you need to overcome together in order to stay in that relationship. My fiance is the greatest man I've ever known and I wasn't willing to give him up for anything. I knew the road was going to be rough (I had no idea just how rought at times, lol), but I was willing to go through all of it because I love him that much. And I have to tell you that I would do it all again in a heartbeat if I had to.
Just please do not come to your decision lightly. If you decide you will stick with him, know that there is a HUGE difference between only having a child part-time compared to full-time. I adore my step-daughter and she calls me her mommy but there are days when I want to run away from all of it. You just have to realize that by staying with him, you are essentially making the commitment to two people. In any relationship, breaking up is never a good experience. But when a child is involved, it's even more difficult. They can get very attached and then very heartbroken if you don't stick around. I've decided that I love my man and step-daughter far too much to let anything get between us so we work at our relationship every day in order to make it stronger.
Sounds to me like your man and his little guy are worth it. It's just up to you to decide if you are strong enough to take on the challenge... There will definitely be days when you'll be pulling your hair out but the good times can be so good it would make it all worthwhile!
"I've decided that I love my
"I've decided that I love my man and step-daughter far too much to let anything get between us so we work at our relationship every day in order to make it stronger.
Sounds to me like your man and his little guy are worth it. It's just up to you to decide if you are strong enough to take on the challenge... There will definitely be days when you'll be pulling your hair out but the good times can be so good it would make it all worthwhile!"
There you go. If this is you then you know what to do. Sounds like it is. Alot of bitter people on this forum. You have to sift through to find the good stuff.
I don't believe in telling
I don't believe in telling people what they should or shouldn't do. All I can share with you is my personal experience but it's actually a bit similar to yours. Hopefully this may help you make up your mind...
My fiance was a single dad when I met him. His daughter was just a little over 1, I was 26, and he was 29. I am completely in love with this man and when I finally met his daughter, I thought she was an absolute doll. I decided he was the one for me because I had never met anyone I was so crazy about before who felt the same about me and we just have the greatest relationship. Since we decided to be a couple, live together, and are now engaged, I can't say life has been easy. In fact it's been downright awful at times. Over the course of only 2 years, I stuck with my man through a horrendous custody battle with the courts, a divorce as he was not able to get divorced until custody was settled, him getting laid off, us moving 3 different times, becoming a full time step-mother, dealing with a junkie bio-mom who is currently in prison, and now planning a wedding. I guess what I'm trying to say is that no matter what, relationships aren't easy. You will always have obstacles in front of you that both of you need to overcome together in order to stay in that relationship. My fiance is the greatest man I've ever known and I wasn't willing to give him up for anything. I knew the road was going to be rough (I had no idea just how rought at times, lol), but I was willing to go through all of it because I love him that much. And I have to tell you that I would do it all again in a heartbeat if I had to.
Just please do not come to your decision lightly. If you decide you will stick with him, know that there is a HUGE difference between only having a child part-time compared to full-time. I adore my step-daughter and she calls me her mommy but there are days when I want to run away from all of it. You just have to realize that by staying with him, you are essentially making the commitment to two people. In any relationship, breaking up is never a good experience. But when a child is involved, it's even more difficult. They can get very attached and then very heartbroken if you don't stick around. I've decided that I love my man and step-daughter far too much to let anything get between us so we work at our relationship every day in order to make it stronger.
Sounds to me like your man and his little guy are worth it. It's just up to you to decide if you are strong enough to take on the challenge... There will definitely be days when you'll be pulling your hair out but the good times can be so good it would make it all worthwhile!
thanks for all the advice. i
thanks for all the advice. i worry as well about the responsibilities of having his son with us full time. I think my partner has a much healthier relationship with his son that the BM does, and my partner would be much happier with his son living with him, but i have reservations about having full-time responsibilities for another child. My partner generally deals with issues as they arise, and i'm the kind of person who thinks things through very thoroughly and needs always to have a plan, which means he at times underestimates challenges,at least in my opinion.
everytime i want to discourage my partner from attempting to get full custody i feel guilty that I'm doing this for my own selfish reasons..i have on a few occasions told him that I will not be ready to be a full-time step mom within the next few years. but as the BM exhibits more and more unbearable behavior i lean more and more towards having full custody. the problem with the BM is that she is extremely controlling and moody. she tries to control the son like a robot, and though i suppose its better for a child to be disciplined rather than be loose, i really feel sorry for what he has to deal with at home. she regularly screams and yells at him, and punishes him for things that are simply not his fault. it breaks my heart to see him in tears and to see how my partner suffers.
I sometimes think that my partner should find a job close to where his son lives and marry someone, perhaps with a child of her who would be better at coping. but i also remember how miserable his life was when he lived close and saw his son a few times a week. the BM had a tense confrontation with him almost every time he picked up or dropped off his son. Now the interactions have drastically decreased and there is a bit more peace, but more pain of not being able to see his son as often.
my partner is adamant that this is the best decision for him, and says that he wants to be with me more than anything in the world..and i believe him..and i too want to be with him more than anything in the world...but am only praying I will feel the same when the problems increase and passionate love wears down.. .
also...there are so many negatives talked about in this forum. are there any POSITIVE experiences that step parents have had? anyone have any reasons for why they think they made the right choice DESPITE all the challenges?
bluesky, I do have a daughter
bluesky, I do have a daughter your age and I would tell her not to get married to a man with children. I have been with my SO 2 yrs. Just like you he is wonderful, loving, kind a great parent, we have so much in common, and he does put me and our relationship first.
But...and there is always a but when you are dealing with someone with an existing family. He is a father. He does have an ex. And no matter what they will always be a part of him therefore they will be a part of your life. The drama that follows most skids and the ex's, as you have read on this side are like a roller coaster. Different things different days.
If you want to have children of your own. Is this what you want for them? Time is your friend do not rush into marriage.
most of you have recommended
most of you have recommended that I wait and not rush into marriage. I've known my partner for over two years now, and we've been discussing marriage seriously for over a year. I wanted to know what it is that you think I will gain by waiting longer. on the one hand I think if i commit to him then dealing with some of the problems will be easier, since much of the pain so far is psychological and comes from doubt. those days when i say to myself "you will be him no matter what" and "we will make it work" are the days i cope the best. we have rough and emotional moments but we get through them feeling closer to each other than before. those days when i entertain doubt i find that the psychological drama is too much to handle.
i think though that i will postpone marriage for a little while now and see what happens...
over the summer ss (i'm
over the summer ss (i'm learning the acronyms!) stayed with us for 6 weeks, and it was at times overwhelming, mostly because ss was home with us all the time and the two of us were working everyday at home. we also had a lot of fun times. ss is very very disciplined and well behaved, and so we really had no behavioral problems with him. i honestly can't imagine a better child. he's very very polite, he super smart, will sit in a corner and read for 5 hours straight, and fortunately so far likes me.
i have been very upfront with my partner, telling him when i get overwhelmed, and when i need him to dedicate more time to me; and he is super receptive. he does everything he can to make me happy. and to be honest i'm not a selfish person, so i think he knows that i won't ever expect too much from him.
when his son was here i did most of the cooking, but the other chores were pretty evenly divided. i DID feel like i was often more concerned about what ss ate, and what he did, and how much fun he was having, and how much he was behind the computer and so on...(are women just more nurturing than men??)but again he is an extremely well behaved kid, so we never had a problem. but would i have preferred to have those 6 weeks be childless, absolutely!
on the other hand, when i think of the moments ss would lean against me while he read a book, or how he would giggle endlessly when we wrestled, it really fills me with joy. It was one heck of a responsibility, but at times very fulfilling. BM actually thanked me and my partner after those 6 weeks since ss apparently really had a good time...but she is extremely moody (or so it seems to someone like me who only gets little glimpses of her behavior every now and then) and i can see that she probably won't always be as appreciative.
at this point, i feel really attached to my partner, as well as to his son, and feel like i can't abandon them! if only i could find a single flaw in my partner to say he's not worth it!
but he is such a lovely human being, who does everything in his ability to listen to me and make me happy (of course conditions are simply such that he can't always do what is preferable for me). his parents also help the situation..they actually live out of the country and can't do much but offer to provide financial assistance occasionally, but they do provide a lot of emotional support. they're exceptional people in many respects, and always tell me they will do whatever they can to make me happy. they also always show plenty of appreciation for whatever i do for their grandchild. and i have to admit that helps a lot!
i just wish that i could be strong and not complain...but every time i support my partner through a rough time, it sucks all the energy out of me, and as soon as he recuperates, i have my down time and need someone to pull me up again..which is what my partner tries his best to do. but how sustainable is this? i wish i cld give him support without the subsequent emotional enervation! perhaps i'm expecting too much....
for now i am going to be optimistic but also postpone marriage plans, and see how things play out. it will hopefully also give me more time to talk to my partner about what my needs and expectations are and make sure he is willing to make the sacrifices necessary to get married to someone without a child. so wish me luck!