smh. This one chapped my butt. Deifying pseudo-science drivel.
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The American Dream Broke the American Family—Here Are 12 Ways That Shows Up Now
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/the-american-dream-broke-the-americ...
There is an inkling of an occasional brain cell firing in the 12 though I can discern no indication of any significant level of intelligence.
smh
I was hoping for some things that might help explain .... toxic SKids. Nope. I did not find anything that connected on that.
If anything, it is the advent of coddle parenting that killed the American family and is killing the American dream for the products of that parental failure.
When
was this all supposed to have happened? It sounds rather 50s-ish when dad worked all the time except for the one about women and emotional labor.
Looks like they needed filler
Looks like they needed filler content and perhaps asked AI to step in to "work" on an "article." lol.
yeah.. a lot of tangled logic
yeah.. a lot of tangled logic.. but I would say that in general.. the rise of two income families has made raising kids more difficult.
I get there were downsides to women not being able to do things independently.. having to rely on their spouse... but as far as raising kids.. having an involved parent at home during formative years.. was a good thing for most.
I agree that when both
I agree that when both spouses hold up their ends, a nuclear family with a breadwinner and a homemaker is ideal for family life. Too many women got stuck with men who either didn't provide, cheated, beat them, etc., that our grandmothers/mothers' generations fought for independence and encouraged us to have our own income. There are drawbacks, though. Divorce or not marrying at all after having kids is more common. Even intact couples who both work don't have enough time for the kids. And there probably is something to money not going as far and it being harder now to live on one income.
I think part of the problem
I think part of the problem is that the cost of living "well".. does tend to work for two incomes.. and the plushness has definitely increased in what people feel is a minimal standard of housing and other ammenities.
My parents did not have two cars.. my mom drove.. and even when she worked.. she would take my dad to the bus stop or drop him at work etc...
Houses that our parents (or parents' parents) built and lived in and grew up in were much more modest. Kids would very often be sharing a room.. or if they had their own room.. they were small. having more than 1 or two bathrooms was not typical. Houses were smaller.. much more modest in scale.. and you need less furniture and it costs less to keep a smaller home with utilities etc..
I would also say that costs for electronics... phones.. cable/internet.. are collectively a bigger bite than our old simple phone plans were.. and rabbit ears to watch the three available stations (if you were lucky).
Then we have leisure.. a trip to disney for most people was a once in a lifetime.. if ever experience. travel beyond stuffing kids in the car to go camp or stay in a cottage in the mountains or beach was much rarer for lots of regular folks. You see people prioritizing spending a LOT on that kind of travel now.. even young people spend money on travel and luxuries that the older generations would not.
Like.. eating out. THAT is a pretty new thing as far as day to day use of restaurants to get fed. Were there mcdonalds when I was growing up in the 60's and 70's.. yeah.. did I see the inside of them often.. nope. Neither did we eat out regularly.. perhaps a treat of takeout from the chinese place or a rare meal out somewhere else. MY SD's eat out a LOT.. coffees.. snacks.. fast food and takeout.. and then entertainment meals out.. staying home.. cooking for ourselves.. just not as popular.. and yes.. those costs add up too.
So, we live more expansive lives.. we need to have two incomes to make it possible (then add childcare to the mix. )..
I wouldn't suggest my SD's stay at home and just be homemakers because that limits them if they do end up divorced.. it's just a tougher way to live I think.
And.. yes.. people used to be more trapped by convention.
I agree.
Both regarding child outcomes and in historically autonomy for women was a rarity.
Though in true partnership marriages, even a fully traditional model gives the kids, women, men, and the marriage great outcomes. The key is the adult partnership at the core. Though that is also true in non trad marriages as well. Two careers, etc, etc, etc... The partnership is the critical success factor across the board.
My parents have always had the prototypical traditional marriage. Of course it has evolved over the 6+ decades they have been married.
Mom was a SAHM. Dad was the bread winner. They were and have always been each other's person and their marriage and each other have always been the core of their lives together. They are absolute partners. Assets and resources are marital assets and resources. They are not the earner's assets and resources. DW and I adopted that on day one of our journey.
To this day they remain two of my favorite people. Dad is a loving wicked smart highly intuitive loving and incredible woman. Just don't piss her off. That is a bad move.
Dad is her biggest fan, loves her beyond measure, as she does him, and is professionally successful, brilliant, actively involved in his marriage, and the lives of the people who are important to him.
They have always worked together on parenting, GP-ing, the housework, etc... IN retirement, he does the grocery shopping off of her list, she cooks, he cleans up after she does her culinary magic. However, as they have progressed deeper into retirement there are things he refuses to do so he/they outsource them. That was a prickly few years of transition because my mom struggles with the parenting paradigm she was raised with. Retirement is about yard work, cooking, housecleaning, home projects, and crafting. Dad hates yard work, hates housecleaning and home projects. He does engage in an advisory capacity on mom's crafts (quilting, embroidery, jewelry making) and participates in shows, quilt runs, hunting down remote craft and quilt shops shows and fairs on their regular RV trips, etc...
He will do the home projects though only if he deems them necessary. He operates on the needs Vs wants model. If it needs to be done, he gets it done. If it is "not necessary" and he deems it busy work, nope.
They have a cleaning service that does the house top to bottom one day every 2nd weeks. They have a yard helper that they engage in the high labor content yard and gardening stuff under mom's guidance and designs. Dad will help the yard helper with tree trimming, etc but pretty much refuses to dig in the dirt. It took a while but mom finally settled into this norm though she will grumble occasionally about it.
Both mom and dad are BFFs with each other and my bride. That... leaves me in a pickle if DW and I are in a disagreement. I can never win.
"Do you really want me to call your parents?"
DW and I have had a two career version of a moderately traditional marriage. She was a SAHM the first 4yrs of our marriage then worked PT until she completed her undergrad whole putting our kid on the school bus in the AM and meeting him at the bus stop when he got home from school. For all intents and purposes, from the kid's perspective she was a SAHM until he was about 8yo. During those years we did the dance of change on household and parenting duty distribution. During our empty-nester years we trade off on housework depending on the work dynamic. While we were overseas, she did the cooking and shopping. When I am between roles (at 61 finding an appropriate role is a challenge) I do the cooking, shopping, kitchen clean up, etc... I have even been known to run a vacuum and a Swiffer over the floors upon albeit all too rare occasion and clean a toilet, shower, bathtub, and wave a duster around. I am eternally looking for self cleaning methods and products. But sadly they rarely live up to the hype. So if guests are scheduled, I am Mr. Clean, and our home is spotless when the guests arrive. Though I do get the bride side eye about it. Her hairy eyeball delivered message is clearly "Why isn't like this all the time. Your at home, I am at work!". Her preference is a model home, mine is a lived in home. Organized and kept but not white glove inspection ready at all times. I had enough of that crap in Military School. I'lI generally stay ahead of the pissed off bride typhoon regarding the housekeeping. I would outsource, but... our home is small and that makes no sense until we are both retired.
Our kid has turned out very well. Though our marital dynamic has proven to be a challenge for him to duplicate. He wants his version of it. I am hopeful he will find a solid version in his.
My brother and his wife have had a current version of the traditional marriage though it has been a challenge as they are not partners in the way our parents are. Though their kids have turned out very well. My SIL was a 9-5 mom. She dealt with the home and kids from when my brother left for work until he got home. Then, she handed it all off to my brother and he was the parent, cook, and head bottle washer from the moment he stepped in the door from work.
DW and I had the "work time" model during her SAHM years. Work time was work time. She parented and kept the home, etc... during work time while I was at work. When I got home, it was our time to deal with parenting, housework, etc... Though for 5 of her SAHM years she was also a full time student. She was in evening classes so I the evenings were dad/kid time and my school time. I was in grad school then for 4 of those same years. I chose an online MBA to support DW finishing her undergrad. SS and I had kid/dad time, I cooked dinner, got him bathed and ready for the evening/bed, we cleaned up the kitchen and did some laundry, and played a bit. Then we went to school. I got on the computer in our guest room/study and he sat on the daybed behind me with his books, coloring books, and crayons and we did school. At his bed time I would put him to bed and we would read a quick bedtime story and I would get back to my studies.
I was worried about my brother for many years. He was busting his butt in his career and carrying nearly 100% of the non 9-5 burden in their family, home, and marriage. They have landed on a comfortable balance as empty nesters. That is a relief to me.
I agree that the kid outcome in SAHP marriages/families is often far better than in alternative models. Particularly when gentle parenting is the default and there are few to zero boundaries, standards of performance, and standards of behavior in the kid's upbringing. It is often a tragedy when the adult partnership at the core is not solid.