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Wishingitgetsbetter's picture

Okay, so my 17 SD lives with my SO and myself on a full time basis now and I've lost count on how many secret convos have gone on between my SO and my SD. I walk into the room and all convos stop, I got out of the shower and over heard " oh she is coming gotta go" and my SD went to her room. I can't join in on convos between them because half the time I don't know what their talking about since 90% of the convo has taken place over texts between them during the day and I haven't been told. And yet I get in crap from SO saying " why don't you talk" or " why are u so quiet." Plus my SD brought a lizard into our home without asking and expects us to pay for food, and take care of it when she goes to see her mom on holidays. I hate the lizard. And my SD has taken to not having showers and smells of BO really really badly.. but again those convos are whispers because apparently me saying something is rude.. please help! 

icantwin2008's picture

You need to have a conversation with your SO !!  They lead the example on how to treat you and If SO treats you like an outsider they are telling  SD it’s ok to as well!! That’s your home as well you deserve to be treated with respect by both of them!! Trust me talk about it now if not things will just get worse!! 

Rags's picture

Time for a zero tolerance and bring the pain total confrontation approach to this crap.  

I have only kept one secret from my bride regarding my SS (at his emphatic request) and it came back to bite me in the ass 3yrs later.

You and DH are equity life partners.  There are no secrets.  DH needs to give the very clear message to SD that any discussion they have will be shared with you.

PERIOD!

That was always the case in our marriage.  Except that one thing.  Never again.

DH needs clarity that the sneaky conversations with SD end immediately or they are both out.

Rags's picture

The trust and full disclosure between marital partners is sacrosanct IMHO and in my practice of my marriage.  If sneaky stepspawn want to backstab the SParent to the SParent’s spouse  all bets of confidentiality are off.  Outside of ethical restrictions applicable to  some professions confidentiality limits completely include full disclosure and discussion with a spouse.

At least that is how it works for me in our marriage.

As I have shared elsewhere in this thread, I did keep a SKid related secret from my bride once.... for three years.  I am now able to share that confidence.

When he was 17 SS was restricted from being on his laptop except for school work.  He was also not allowed to have his BR door closed.

We had just disenrolled him from Military Boarding School due to failure to perform facilitated by the SpermIdiot helping him hack the school firewall and the two of them gaming (WoW) all night so SS was comatose in class every day.  He failed the only class that  semester that he needed to graduate.

So at mid year we jerked his ass back to our home, enrolled him in our local HS (the best in the state) and told him to graduate on time or he would be dropped off at the Philly homeless camp on graduation day.  He knew no one as we had moved a few weeks after he started at military school.

We scared the shit out of the kid.

Long story short .  His door was closed, I tapped on the door, walked in and  caught him surfing gay porn.  He was adamant that he was looking at non gay porn and had clicked the wrong thing.  I told him that if he needed to talk with his mom and I about anything that we were there for him and his biggest fans.  He said that there was nothing to talk about and begged me not to tell his mom about the porn.  I kept his confidence.

3 years later he came out to his mom and I.  We were living in Qatar at the time and he was stationed in Texas.  The call had a different vibe than our usual family calls.  He was all over the conversational map, was stammering and obviously nervous.  I finally just told him to spit it out.  My bride was confused and was looking at me questioningly.  I whispered to her “Honey, he is trying to tell us that he is gay”. As soon as those words left my lips he told us.  

His mom was floored and had no idea. I had suspected for years.

We had a great talk.  I told him that I loved him and was proud of him.  I then I told him “Son, life can be challenging and this will make it more challenging.  Some people will take exception to you being a gay man.  Keep your head in the game and be safe.”

I was happy that he had worked through his recognition of his sexual orientation and would be able to have what his mom and I have together rather than being a sexually amorphous recluse. He had a ton of GFs in HS.  There was just something off with him in those relationships.  His friends, both male and female, gave him crap for having no sex drive.  The young women were serving it up on a silver platter and he was not playing ball.

The poor kid struggled with thinking that there was something wrong with him and was in a bad place for a few years.  I wish he had come to his mom or I for help.

So, during the phone call the little little shit threw me under the bus.  Through group tears my wife was lamenting that he hadn’t told us and we would have wanted to be there for him and to help.  Then he said “Mom! The moms always know and besides dad told you. You guys talk about everything.”

She looked at me with mom vengeance lightning bolts shooting out of her eyes.  I said “Thanks for throwing me under the bus son.”  He and I went on to tell her of the porn incident during which I reminded him that he had not come out to me and had expressly implored they I not tell his mom about the porn.

And that is the one time in our marriage that I have kept anything in confidence  from my bride...... other than when I have shopped for gifts for her.  I don’t  t tell  about that.  Sneaky guy that I am.

 

Survivingstephell's picture

I would have made the same choice Rags.  He wasn't ready to commit from the sounds of it and you saved him from living in a house with awkward treatment from his mother.  I watched a young man at my church struggle with it.  I actually didn't pick up on it, my DH did.  I just waited and one day there was a moment in his college years that I could tell he needed to start the process of coming out.  I just gave him the permission to say anything to me, he would be safe doing that and the next time I saw him, he did tell me he was gay.  He needed the practice and support before telling his own mom.  I always read in the advice columns to not out a person and to let them do it.  You might be wrong.  I hope you wife isn't carrying a wounded heart on that.  I hope she's grateful that you were a rock for him while he figured it out.  I know she must be grateful for the rest you brought to his life.  

I believe that there should only be secrets on surpise parties and presents.  This scenerio depends on the players and how evolved they are.  Its a tough one for sure. Thanks for sharing that story.  

Rags's picture

Thanks Ssh.

My wife doesn’t carry grudges.  That’s my job.  

Wink

The three of us are extremely close.  We like each other and ourselves.  We have managed to create our version of what my parents have in their marriage (56yrs and counting) and in the family they created fir my brothers and I.

It isn’t that his mom would have made things awkward.  She was just clueless and never had any inkling.

One if my childhood BFFs came out in our early 20s.

It made no difference in our friendship.  Maybe my mental tic list with my friend was clicking away subconsciously with my son as he grew up.

His mom laments not being able to help and support him through that part of his life.  

Rags's picture

“It seems to be most of us are burdened by being privy to way more information than we need or want to know.”

Absolutely.  You nailed it.

Unfortunately so much of blended family life is like watching a slow motion train wreck unfold that a person just can’t stop watching (listening). 

marblefawn's picture

Let SO take care of the lizard. That's an easy one.

The conversations, though...that's tough. My SD does not live with me, and it seems my husband NEVER talks to her because it never happens in our house. But that's because the calls always happen when he's in the garden, on his way to work, or elsewhere. It is an odd feeling that he can't even make a call in our house to her. It makes me wonder what the hell is being discussed that I can't hear half the conversation. Whatever. I've given up on that situation.

But in your house...that's even more weird. When SO is giving you said crap, have you ever mentioned that you are not part of 90% of the conversations? What's he say about it?

 

 

Survivingstephell's picture

I'm sure if most of us took a few seconds to remember middle school and the mean girls, you would know exactly what this is.  Relational aggression.  Its the evil triangle of middle school where 2 teamed up to make the third feel like an outcast, unwanted, not good enough to join the group.  Its one thing to experience this at school,  Its a totally different thing for it to happen in your home with your spouse and family.  

MissTexas's picture

What is it with these DH's and SD's who can "ONLY TALK IN PRIVATE?" It's almost like when someone has phone sex. At least this doesn't cost $3.00 per minute, however the price paid is much higher, as the Relational Aggression and possibly Emotional Incest take precedence over the marriage. I think all of us have experienced the "secret calls" and why? If there is truly nothing to hide, talk when I am present. Also, why is the SD privy to all details about DH's and SM's convos but it doesn't roll both ways to where SM is informed by DH as to what he and SD talk about?

Very curious, isn't it?

MissTexas's picture

That sounds absolutely horrible. Thankfully you saw the whole thing for what it was and took action.

Glad you got to enjoy the rest of your vacation.

amyburemt's picture

this can be a very excluding behavior on both of their parts. Your dh can't have it both ways. He can't expect you to be the other adult decision maker in the house but then not include you in conversations. Personally, if it was me I would call out HIS behavior first and tell him how it makes you feel.