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rjkerp's picture

I am new here, so please forgive any posting faux pos. I am remarried with 14 month old daughter. New wife has BD11 and I have BS10 and SS8. Here is the thing with the SS. He is the product of my ex's extramarital affair. At the time we were going to try and work it out (although in retrospect, I think she just needed to make sure she was taken care) and I fully committed to taking care of him and making him my son. I have been there since his birth, BD has never seen him and has no contact with him. He knows he exists, but that is all. Two issues: 1. I am at the point where I feel like I need to tell SS I am not his BD. Everything I have read about adoption (which he basically is) is that you should never withhold that from the child. I am confident that my relationship and feelings with him are not going to change. Any advice or thoughts on this process? 2. My wife strongly dislikes SS. It is the only issue in our relationship. She loves BS dearly, but can't stand SS. She can't understand how I could have "adopted" him. She and my ex have never gotten along, and had a pretty ugly encounter early on. This whole situation is very stressful on our family. I do not want my relationship with SS to change, but she wants me to distance him from our new family. Before our daughter was born, we had a conversation where I said something along the lines of, "maybe it is time for SS to spend more time with his mom?" Not really suggesting, but opening conversation. Looking back, this was the biggest mistake I could have ever made. My wife continues to hang on this statement, even though I have told her it was simply me opening up dialog with her. I realize I have an issue trying to please my wife (see, first marriage!) and I should have never said that, but how do I ever get her to understand how I feel about my SS? I do not want to discount her feelings, but this is not going away and neither will my feelings about SS.

doll faced sm's picture

Without knowing how your SS acts in relation to your wife, I can't really give good advice. There are some women who just don't like kids, but that doesn't seem to be the issue here; I doubt she's some schitzophrenic who likes kids when your BD is around her and then suddenly hates them when your SS is around, which tells me there is something more there.

And yes, it could be that she is simply unable to separate her feeling for your ex from her feeling for her son, but that seems a bit of a stretch, too, as what I gather from your post is that there is only one "ex" involved, and again, why would it affect *only* her feeling for your son and not your daughter?

So, based on what minimal amount of information I have here, I'd have to side with your wife. *Something* is going on between her and your adopted son. Start really examining his behavior.

1) Does he speak to her with respect?
2) Does he ignore her presence unless forced to acknowledge it?
3) Is he expected to treat her as an authority figure, or have you effectively made her his peer?

There are more questions and things to look for, and perhaps some other members will be able to help me here. I would also suggest getting some type of voice activated recording device and not telling your adopted son it's there. Sometimes, you don't realize how disrespectful someone is being in the moment, but when you go back and listen to it later, you're gobsmacked at how bad it really is. Also, there is the distinct possibility that your son treats her one way in your presence, but in a totally different manner when your out of the room, out of earshot, at work, etc.

Another thought that comes to mind is finances. I'm certainly not advocating that your share your financial status with a bunch of internet strangers, but stand back and try to look at if from your wife's perspective. If finances are tight, or even just tight enough that she cannot afford for the baby what she'd like, she may resent your adopted son because of that.

You will never get her to understand how you feel about your adopted son. You adopted him; she did not. Do not try to force a close relationship between these two people. Instead, recognize that a respectful, civil relationship may be all she is capable of toward your son (and that he may not even be giving that in return), and that you can no more change her feelings than she can change yours.

Smomof3's picture

He's your child, you love him, she needs to accept that. It has nothing to do with his BM. Although it is important that he respect your wife.

rjkerp's picture

Thank you for your input. I have recently started "coaching" him on how to build relationships. He is a little aloof. He has very good manners, (please, thank you, yes sir, yes ma'am, etc.) however, he is sometimes socially awkward. For instance, when he comes downstairs in the morning he would sometimes say good morning and sometimes not? Although maybe this is his way of dealing with SM? I've been talking to him about how to build relationships, ask questions of his SM, how are you doing today?, how was your day?, etc. He is 8, so I think even besides this strained relationship he is still learning how to interact. So, to answer your questions, he does speak to her with respect, sometimes he ignores her presence, and he is expected to treat her as an authority figure (and we have made that a clear expectation).

To clear up some confusion I may have created. I have two boys one of which is adopted and one is my bio. She has bio daughter (11) and we have bio daughter together (14mo. She adores my bio son, step son....not so much.

She has said that in the past she feels that he treats her differently? Unfortunately other than the example above I don't have many others. He definitely doesn't act like his brother, who is extremely warm and open and talkative always. Hard situation that's for sure.

rjkerp's picture

I've waited this long, because quite frankly I am scared and I've left well enough alone. Not an excuse I realize. It/he is a huge responsibility and whether it is because I don't want to mess it/him up or it is difficult for me, I'm not sure? Either way, I realize another day is too long. Outside of a DNA test, which was never done, he is my son. My ex and I were married at the time and according to the laws of the state where he was born, he is legally my son. Adopted only in the sense of I am not his bio dad.

I do not feel uncomfortable having the discussion with him, although I do need to make sure I have a counselor/psychologist available for him.

I do appreciate the feedback, and I feel as if I am emotionally intelligent to make use of it. If we all knew what we SHOULD have done, these forums wouldn't exist. Wink

Unfreakingreal's picture

Sometimes, SMs feel that unless a child is YOURS biologically it is NOT really your child. Of course, in this case, YOU love this boy as if he were your own and for that you deserve a round of applause. He is lucky to have you.
I think you need to take him to a child psychologist so you can get help on telling him the truth. He needs to know and he needs to hear it from YOU and no one else. Your wife needs to back the fuck off, this is your son and she better get used to it or get off the pot. Do not allow her to ever treat him differently, of course, make sure he is respectful of her as well.

New second wife-step-mom's picture

I think your wife is going through a lot of negative emotions that are in all actuality generated from the EX wife instead of SS but is directed towards SS.

Let me explain.

BM in my situation is rude, crude, a partier, manipulative and is a cheater. I do not understand how that DH ever loved her much less married her but he did.

BM knows how to use DH, she knows how to manipulate DH and she gets her way a lot with DH. DH is not sure that SSstb18 is his but he told me that he accepted him as his son and in his eyes he will always be his son.

SS acts alot like his mother and I cannot stand her. BM manipulates DH and DH caters to her. Sometimes DH acts like he is more concerned about pleasing her or her feelings than mine, same with SS. SS is learning the tricks of the trade from her. She has done several things to prove to me that she still has a relationship and has control over DH. Some of them worked some didn't but none the less they still have constant communication and are trying to remain friends for the sake of their child. (HOGwash)

Anyway, I have had some real problems with SS and the way he acted towards me which I am sure he picked up alot of his behaviour from his mother. Well, that is what DH says anyway.

I got to where I literally could not stand the boy. He moved in with BM last year which has helped tremendously.

Sometimes it is hard to love or even like someone that reminds you of someone else that you despise, cannot get along with or that gives you alot of grief. Which all of that discribes BM.

SS moving out was the best thing because now I can actually think maybe eventually things will change between us.

I will admit there was a part of me that resented DH taking care and LOVING a child that he wasn't even sure was his. But DH is crazy about SS and eventually I have to look past my issues and realize that to DH he is his son.

Now I am in a place that I can accept and have some feelings for SS but I still cannot stand BM.

I hate it when she calls and whines to DH. She always tries to get the conversation to them or their past or HER and what is going on with her life and it infuriates me. She is just a manipulater.

I hope and pray that eventually DH will break all ties with BM.

I can deal with SS but I cannot deal nor do I want to deal with BM the rest of my life.

My suggestion is to step back and instead of focusing on what your wife sees wrong with your SS instead look at your relationship with your EX.

Do you give into her? Does she manipulate you? After all you are raising her child for her.

Do you have constant communication with her? How many times a day or week do you talk to her? Are you trying to be friends with her "for the sake of the child"?

Is there ways that you could limit the conversation with your EX? Did you take up for your EX when her and your wife got in the arguments?

Do you constantly make excuses for your EX's behaviour?

Do you give into her demands?

Sorry for the long post but these are my suggestions. Oh, and don't be so stubborn that you cannot see that you need to make some changes for the sake of your marriage. Smile

rjkerp's picture

Your post is extremely helpful, thank you! I know that my wife feels many of the same things you described. I'm working on the stubborn/hard headed part! Smile

New second wife-step-mom's picture

Rjkerp, if your wife feels many of the same things there is a reason!

How often do you have contact (text, email, phone calls) with the EX? Once a day, once a week, once a month or only in emergencies?

Please do take a step back and look at how you handle your EX.

Do you jump to answer her calls or text?

Do you always consult your wife before answering or obliging your EX?

And for heaven's sake limit your contact with the EX!!!

amber3902's picture

Actually OP, you aren't the only one in this type of situation. I think there are a couple of posters on here who are SMs who are in this same situation.

One poster, I can't remember her name, but her DH is doing the same thing OP you are doing, in caring for a kid from his ex wife's affair. In her situation, the kid is a different race from the DH, so it's even more obvious that the kid isn't his. Hopefully those posters will comment on this thread, but I think it boils down to not so much that the kid isn't biologically yours, it's that the kid has behavior problems.

I think I could deal with a kid that wasn't my BF's biological, IF that kid was a sweetheart. It's a lot harder to deal with a kid that's a brat, AND isn't even your SO's flesh and blood.

I also agree that at some point you need to let your adopted son know the truth, if nothing else than so he can know his medical history.

not2sureimsaneanymore's picture

I also think it boils down to the behavior rather than biology. You said he ignores her sometimes--and that may be how he deals with his SM. No one likes to be ignored in their own house, period. You wouldn't allow a guest to ignore (you might, but you'll think they're plain rude) so why would you let your child?

I was taught to greet everyone when I entered a room, family or not, at all times. It was common courtesy. Even on the few times now that I "forget", my parents will remind me immediately, and I'm married! The job of a parent is really never done.

New second wife-step-mom's picture

I also think it boils down to the behavior rather than biology.

^^^^ This - SS's behavior and yours!

WitchiePoo's picture

I'm a little confused, so forgive me if I'm going to come across as an idiot! The child you refer to as SS - you mentioned also that you adopted him or never questioned paternity? So he's legally your son? If that's the case I'm just wondering why you refer to him as SS.

rjkerp's picture

I was not sure how to refer to him in this forum. SS seemed to fit because an important part of the story is that he is not my bio son. Do I refer to him as adopted son? non-bio son?

oldone's picture

Well first of all - Do you think you really understand how your wife feels?

Two things are just pretty natural:

1. Most women do not want to raise another woman's child. (even if their DH is the bio dad)
2. Nobody likes being used.

Perhaps she thinks that your first wife is a POS who used and abused you and now SHE has to be around to pick up the pieces. It's only natural to resent that someone else made a terrible mistake and that she now has to pay the price.

I have some of those feelings toward SS27 who was born from a ONS years after DH's divorce from BM. They were both so stupid to use no BC and this cretin resulted. Now SS is a cretin - amazingly good looking but a worthless drunk bum. I have him hanging around my life because of their stupidity.

Smomof3's picture

Some kids are different an I don't think not saying good morning upon waking is abnormal. My skids walk around like zombies for a few hours. I think your wife has an issue with the BM and how he was concieved that radiates over into the relationship.

She needs to respect your love and commitment to him. Period.

hippiegirl's picture

She's probably resentful of the fact that this kid is the result of BM cheating on you and you wanted to work it out with her, regardless. That sends the message to your wife that the ex must've been pretty darned special. If I cheated on my man and got knocked up in the process, he would tell me to take a hike. End of story.

Jellybeam's picture

Maybe she sees your SS as only your ex's kid and doesn't feel she owes that kid anything-like love, acceptance, or whatever. And now that you have a 14 month old together, she thinks you have to put up with her shit. A lot of women think that after they have a baby with their husband, there's no way he could leave her-and the baby, so she walks all over everyone.
If I were you, I would schedule an appointment with a counselor, tell him/her what's going on and follow professional advice. And your wife-well she's an adult, so she just needs to buck up. Not the kid's fault his mom cheated on you. Not his fault you remarried. Not his fault you chose not to tell him about his biological father. This kid's already been screwed over enough. Can't your wife see that?

ltman's picture

Wait to tell him. If you grow up knowing you're adopted is one thing. It's a fact the kid has always known. Telling him now, just as you are starting a new family is quite another. Might make him feel you're going to leave him again. Don't make it an issue with him. He may already know and is just holding on.

Without DNA are you sure he's not yours?

rjkerp's picture

Absolutely sure he is not mine. And I am not being rude here at all, but what is your rationale about not telling him? Is it just personal opinion? I ask because you are the first person I have heard say not to tell him. Everything I have read, everything adopted adults have posted has been unanimously "tell him"

ltman's picture

I am adopted. And i always knew I was adopted. Even with intact family it would feel like I was definitely the outsider. It seems that you all are still trying to figure out their roles in the new families. just concerned the kid will feel like you have a reason to abandon him. He probably already feels the rejection from SM.

I'm not saying he should never know, just not now.

Shouldn't BM be the one to tell him if anyone?

New second wife-step-mom's picture

However, this child is a walking symbol of your ex-wife jerking you around and you taking it. That, combined with the every-day push and pull struggle between BM and SM that goes on, really puts the cherry on the top of the cake.

^^^^ EXACTLY!!!

hippiegirl's picture

Well put dog person......that's kinda what I was trying to say!