WWYD? (Won't be up long...)
DH and I are going on an 8 day trip next month. It will be the longest and furthest I have ever been away from my little guys (DS9 and DS7), so I’m a little anxious about it. We had planned on having my parents stay with the kids for the majority of our trip, but then have SS26 stay with them for 2 or 3 of those days to give my parents a break. I was fairly comfortable with it at first, because he seems responsible enough to ensure they are fed and taken care of for a couple of days. Plus my parents live close by if he were to need help with anything. Well……the other day he stopped by the house briefly. Just before he left, he pulled me aside and said “Look what I got”. He was wearing an EFFING LOADED HANDGUN on his hip. IN MY HOUSE.
A LOADED HANDGUN in my house, around my children. WHAT THE EFF?!?!?! I made it very clear to him that I didn’t want him having a gun in my house, especially around DS9 and DS7!!! To clarify, we do NOT live in an area where a handgun is necessary. At. All.
Later that night, I let DH know that I was no longer comfortable with SS26 watching the boys while we were away, and that I wouldn’t be able to relax at all while they were in his care. He couldn’t, for the life of him, understand why? Why it wasn’t ok for our 26 YEAR OLD SON to have a gun. Like the fact that he’s legally an adult makes any bit of difference??
I told him that knowing SS26, he would likely sleep with the gun next to him, or under his pillow. I have seen 1 too many news stories about children and horrible gun accidents. Occasionally, in the middle of the night (in total darkness), DS9 or DS7 will come into our room if they don’t feel well, or if they have to use the bathroom. What if that happens when SD26 is staying with them? Will he panic and shoot? Or what if they find the gun and start playing with it? I was even more pissed because I asked DH if he knew that he had a gun, and he admitted that he did but hadn’t planned on telling me because he knew what my reaction would be.
His response was ‘Whatever. We’ll just tell him he can’t bring it when he stays with the boys’. Riiiiiight. And you think that’s going to make one bit of difference?! SS26 is stubborn as shit and will do whatever he wants. DH says, “WELL, FINE. I guess we can tell SS26 that we don’t want him to watch the boys anymore. He’ll be upset because he was really looking forward to it.”
He is literally more concerned about upsetting SS26, or hurting his feelings, than he is about the safety of his children?!?!?! WTF??? I could give a flying flip if the kid gets pissed about it and never speaks to me again. My boys come first. Don’t doubt it for a second.
I feel like my concerns are more than valid, but he makes me feel like a complete crazy person and that I am totally overreacting.
Wouldn’t you all do the same? Or am I off my rocker??
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I agree with you 110%. You
I agree with you 110%. You are right on point and if you feel that he would bring the gun anyway regardless of what you say, don't have him watch the boys. Too many accidents and tragedies happen.
Yes, Tiger. He would very
Yes, Tiger. He would very likely still bring the gun with him, even if we asked him not to.
I think he should present it
I think he should present it to his son that he will still be able to watch your children if he promises he won't bring the gun to your house. He's an adult, so if he doesn't think he can promise to do that, then he should be honest about that. Your DH should also say that if he brings the gun, then he won't be allowed to even see the children anymore, because this is a very serious issue.
But my thinking is that you should give your SS the chance to do what's right or to say that he doesn't think he'll be able to abide by your rules before you simply tell him he can't watch the kids.
I don't think it's a problem that your SS owns a gun, but agree with you that it should stay out of the house with young boys. Gun safety advocates have found that young boys, in particular, have extreme curiosity about guns and even when they are hidden, there have been many instances where they have figured out where they are and have been tempted to try them out.
I think in general, it should be a rule that your SS not bring his gun to your house, for that same reason.
I think your fears of having a gun around your children are well-founded, but I also think you can try to come up with a workable solution.
Appreciate your thoughts SSM.
Appreciate your thoughts SSM. But I honestly think that if we give SS26 the option to 'do what's right', he'll tell us what we (I) want to hear and then do what he wants anyway. My boys are very into Nerf guns and playing war right now, so if they saw SS26 wearing one, or saw it laying around, it's extremely likely that they would want to check it out.
I'm sure they would want to
I'm sure they would want to check it out.
If your SS just offers lip service to doing what's right, then he shouldn't be trusted with the kids at all.
I think setting a firm boundary over if the gun is ever seen at the house again, he will not be allowed near your children, is worth it, even if you don't leave your children with him. Ultimately, it's up to your DH to hold him accountable and I think since his son is an adult, he can be direct with him. Guns are a line in the sand, if you cross that line around your half-brothers, you will no longer see them. Full stop. No discussion. No feelings.
I agree with you completely.
I agree with you completely.
I would though add that you should start talking to your sons about what they should do if they ever come across a gun emphasizing how dangerous they are and that even if they think it is a toy to not touch it. They are not too young to learn this lesson and their step brother may not be the only person in their life who has a gun.
I would not allow SS to watch
I would not allow SS to watch the boys. Period. And DH would be in the doghouse for keeping the info about the gun from you. Sounds like SS knew if would freak you out and got the reaction he was looking for when showing you the gun. Who knows. Maybe DH told SS that you would freak out and not to tell you.
Let your parents watch the boys the whole time. Find a high school or college babysitter to come in and give them a hand a couple times. If you don't know the person very well let it only be while parents are there too.
Give your parents a gift card to their favorite resturant as a thank you when you return.
You will worry the whole time you are away if SS is even allowed over to visit. So make it clear to him that he is not to come over.
Meanwhile. Talk to your boys about gun safety. Who knows if they may ever be around an unattended gun at a friends house or around SS.
I 'get' it, you're frantic
I 'get' it, you're frantic over guns. It's ok. Your house. Means no guns in your house or guns locked in safe. Your house. Your rules.
SS26 is a big boy now and he had to go through the process to get and carry his gun. But that doesn't mean he gets to enter your home with it (loaded or not).
Let the kids stay with the grandparents. Let the SS do some daytime entertainment with them. No gun. He can keep his gun in under seat locked box.
As to your DH not telling you about SS getting a gun? *shrugs* As long as it stays out of your home and your children don't enter SS's home, no biggie. SS doesn't need your blessings to buy and carry a gun as long as it's presence does not involve you or your children.
I don't know your SS. I know my SS. If I had arranged for SS to come stay with our last kid home, he already knows the rules. Keep his guns out of my home. I would trust him to do so, but as I said, I know my SS and if he said 'ok, Mom', it means ok.
Honestly, your SS should have left his gun in vehicle and came in and told he had got one, ask if he could bring it in to show Dad. I do not believe anyone should come into another person's home (especially one where children are present) with a loaded gun and not say they have it (whether that be on their hip, in their purse or wherever).
I am confused. If the SS
I am confused. If the SS "seemed responsible enough" to watch your kids for a few days, why is he suddenly not responsible just because he has a gun?
Yes, I agree, your house, your rules. I fully support you on that. But responsible gun ownership doesn't make a person an irresponsible human.
Totally agree - gun ownership
Totally agree - gun ownership doesn't make someone irresponsible. But IMO, a 'responsible' adult does not bring a loaded gun into a home and around little kids (siblings or not) unless the homeowners/parents are comfortable with it. He should have left it in the car.
Then this isn't about the
Then this isn't about the kids or level of responsibility, it's about boundaries and house rules.
Did he know you didn't like
Did he know you didn't like guns on the house or around the kids? Did your DH give him permission? Have you and DH had a discussion about guns in the house and around the kids?
That's an excellent point?
That's an excellent point?
I totally agree with SOBM, he
I totally agree with SOBM, he was good enough to watch the kids then he got a CHL and now he is irresponsible. Instead of freaking out why don't you call him and talk to him about it?
Ehhhh...maybe it is because I
Ehhhh...maybe it is because I live in Anti-Canada where guns are more prevalent, but I think you are having a mild overreaction to this.
I have friends and family who have been avid, responsible gun owners for years. My best friend has been handling guns since she was a kid, has several of her own, and almost always conceal-carries. I'd 100% trust her with small children because I know the kind of gun owner she is and the precautions she takes.
On the flip side, I have friends who I wouldn't trust with a toy gun because they could turn that into a deadly weapon.
Ultimately, your house, your rules. If it were me, I'd look at the history SS had with guns and make a determination from there. If he had handled guns for years, had some proper training (including LE or military), and had a plan for storing the gun safely at my house, I'd let him keep it. If, however, I had any real doubt that he wasn't a responsible gun owner, I'd say don't bring it in my home.
However, it is absolutely none of your business when your SS bought the gun, and you can't be mad at your DH for not telling you that he bought it. Outside your home, SS's decisions and whom he chooses to disclose information to are entirely his choices. You didn't need to know, and your DH had no reason to tell you. You can't even be mad at your DH for disagreeing with you on this issue. He trusts his son with a gun; you don't. That's just a difference of opinion, not a reason for your DH to be in the doghouse.
Again, your house, your kids, your rules. Instead of freaking out, I suggest having a calm and rationale discussion with your SS about your general house rules and expectations when babysitting. If he can't abide by those rules, then leave the kids strictly with your parents. Unless there is a history of SS being actually untrustworthy and unreasonable, it's unfair to assume he will be in this instance just because he owns a gun.
It's none of her business
It's none of her business that he brought a loaded gun into her home? Um...not in my world.
I didn't say that. I said it
I didn't say that. I said it was none of her business that her SS bought a gun and that DH knew. She is mad that her DH knew he had a gun period. Yes, she's also mad it came into her house (as she has every right to be), but she can't be mad at her DH for knowing that SS bought one.
Sure she can be mad at her
Sure she can be mad at her DH. These are her feelings and she has every right to them, even if half the country disagrees.
Fine, since I need to be
Fine, since I need to be super granular with this:
She can be mad. She SHOULDN'T hold it against her DH or punish him in any way, shape, or form for those feelings.
I don't think you are in a
I don't think you are in a position to tell her what to do with those feelings, either. If your DH knew his kid brought drugs or booze or porn, or ANYTHING you wouldn't want your young kids exposed to, into your home and didn't tell you about it, you would have every right to do with that justified anger how you saw fit.
My understanding isn't that
My understanding isn't that she was upset with her DH because her SS brought the gun into the house, but because her DH just knew that SS BOUGHT (not brought) a gun.
And this is also an advice site. My advice is to not hold it against DH.
Yep - this.^^^ I could care
Yep - this.^^^ I could care less what he does outside of my home, but I don't want it around my boys. He's a NEW gun owner, and did go through the background check that is required to own and carry a gun. BUT that doesn't automatically make him a RESPONSIBLE gun owner.
Again, didn't say it wasn't
Again, didn't say it wasn't any of your business that he brought it into your own home. I said it wasn't your business if he bought one and your DH knew about it.
Did he present the gun as
Did he present the gun as loaded? How did you know it was loaded? Granted all guns should be treated as loaded at all times.
My husband owns guns and carries a gun when we are out and about. We live in Niceville Nebraska but I would rather be protected. DH has had military training and regularly trains and practices. Would you trust my husband? Would you know he carries a gun? And why is your SSon suddenly the family pariah for having a gun? He isn't welcome back regardless of whether he is carrying or not? Is he a felon and has an illegal weapon?
Step back. Sit down with SSon and let him know that guns are not permitted in your home around your sons. If he is unable to not have his gun with him then leave the kids with your parents and as Lt-dad says, SSon can take them out to the movies etc.
That being said, are you prepared to question all your kids friends parents for the availability of medications, drugs, poisons, seatbelts in cars, guns, dangerous dogs.
SSon should abide by your house rules. And you should recognize that carrying a gun doesn't make you a village idiot.
That is a giant over
That is a giant over reaction.
A. Did he say he is carrying it around everywhere he goes now or did he just bring it over to show Dad?
B. Now is the time to teach gun safety to your children.
C. Did you even ask him not to bring it??
D. If you really don’t trust your children invest in a fingerprint safe and instruct it to be kept there.
I don't think I'm
I don't think I'm overreacting at all.
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A. Did he say he is carrying it around everywhere he goes now or did he just bring it over to show Dad?
- Yes - he said he carries it all the time, but leaves it in his car at work (so he DOES respect work policies). And not sure if the intent was just to bring it in and show us. Either way, he should have left it in his car or made sure it was ok with us before bringing it in the house. Common sense.
B. Now is the time to teach gun safety to your children.
- AGREE
C. Did you even ask him not to bring it??
- NO - didn't know he had one.
D. If you really don’t trust your children invest in a fingerprint safe and instruct it to be kept there.
- No. Don't want it in the house. End of story.
So if he carries all the time
So if he carries all the time he has been through some rigorous gun training correct? In OK it is a full day class.
I know it is a regional thing but everyone I know has guns in their house/truck/holster/whatever. Our preK-er has practiced “hunting” with a BB gun so he can hunt with the big boys. It’s just not a thing that I’ve ever worried about, clips and bullets are kept separate from guns and they are kept where little hands can’t get to them.
Have you spoken to ss about it? Ask him to leave it in his vehicle?
We never take a vacation and
We never take a vacation and leave my minors at home.
Last Easter we took a cruise. It was great. Nice balance of kids. Of the parents we spoke to who left their kids at home, they were miserable. Their heads were buried in their cell phones trying to talk to the kids they tried to get away from. Common themes were:
"WE should have brought them along...WE miss them...THEY would have so much fun"
Ya think?
Siblings in their 20's babysitting younger siblings never worked out great WHEN we went out to dinner. The 20 year olds think they all of a sudden have the right to boss the kids around.
OP I would freak out right about now if I were in your shoes.
What would I do??? I would bring the kids along.
Thinking it would be "cool"
Thinking it would be "cool" to show off his gun to his Dad and you and wear it walking around your home would be all the proof I needed to know he wasn't responsible to watch my dog for five minutes, let alone my children for days on end. NOPE. And he wouldn't be welcomed back inside my home unless he submitted to searches upon entry.
I would get a safe, tell SS
I would get a safe, tell SS to bring the gun, and lock the gun in the safe and take the key with you.
https://www.amazon.com/SentrySafe-Resistant-Chest-Cubic-Extra/dp/B000W8J...
I agree with you, I wouldn't
I agree with you, I wouldn't be comfortable with him watching kids! I'm curious though? Is this the first you heard about him having a gun? I just got my conceal carry and it took me almost a year to get it. I had to file all kinds of paperwork with references, have fingerprinting and background check done, go to a 2.5 hour gun safety course and then everything had to go to judge for approval. It seems odd that he just shows up one day with a gun?