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MoonlightMama's picture

Hello again, 

Just need to vent. SS11 has bad hygiene. I have consistently noticed the smell and just do my best to avoid getting to close. DH finally acknowledged the smell (I thought I was going crazy as apparently I am the only one that smells it) stating he smelled up his whole office and it's coming from him and likely why his room smells so bad. Shocker there. He thinks he needs to shower daily... interesting. So today picking up our youngest daughter and heading to an event with the kids I was putting her in the car seat and the smell was so overwhelming I had to hold my breath. I rolled down the window about halfway and DH asked why. I tried to brush it off and he asked if I was going to keep it down the whole drive and I said yes. He got upset with me saying he knows why I have it down. I told him we can talk about it later and he basically told me I was shaming his son... even though I didn't even say anything remotely indicating why but he said it is obvious. I told him that maybe if he did his part I wouldn't have to (such as having him shower after school before the event instead of playing video games with him instead). I just think it's BS. So I am expected to suffer because of SS poor hygiene and DH lacks proper parenting or care? He doesn't seem to mind pointing out when my BD11 has stinky feet and takes her shoes off but I'm the a-hole for rolling down a window? Should I hold my breath till I pass out instead? Ugh I'm at my wits end. I have pretty much given up. I shouldn't have to be the bad guy always reminding everyone of everything all the time. I work full time, take care of the home, primary caregiver to OD4, my own BD11 school, homework, extra circulars, etc. But he can't stay on top of SS11 hygiene and his room? So frustrating... 

 

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BethAnne's picture

Tween/teen stench is the worst. Sorry you have to put up with it. An open window is defiantly not shaming, it's a necessity rather than being in a confined space. I don't know how middle school teachers survive through that age . 

MoonlightMama's picture

I have no idea how he hasn't gotten any hint about it from parent teacher meetings. Maybe it's just a touchy subject but I can't imagine what they think and how awful it is for other kiddos that sit right next to him. I just don't understand.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

Big Daddy movie with Adam Sandler. "I let him become the smelly kid." *dirol*

Lillywy00's picture

LOL!

Ill never forget the part where he was like "I can wash my own a$$ now!" 
 

He was so excited to be a big boy lol 

Harry's picture

That he smells and offends other people.   Does this kid know about girls  ?   Like wanting to get closed to a particular girl. Who wants a friend who doesn't stink up the place.   That you don't want a DS who spends his life in his room because everybody else are running away    Because these kids don't leave. 

Cover1W's picture

Had this issue with my OSDthen11/12.

DH wouldn't make sure she bathed, or changed her clothes, sheets, cleaned room, brushed teeth...because "she's just a kid" or "we don't have time" or "it's not a big deal". So she stank. Stank all the way for several years until she PASed out at 13.5.

I realized complaints from me did no good. So I stopped complaining.  I just refused to sit next to her, refused to have her in my car, refused to do things together unless she had showered and cleaned up. If DH asked me why I wasn't doing something I explained without anger or judgement. She smells and I don't want to sit /drive/be in public. He could not make me do anything. 

Oh and he knew. HE had to roll the car windows down a couple times.  HE got to sit by her and smell her breath and BO. He told me this. Did anything change? No. Because it was too late and he blew it when she was younger. He had no authority any longer.

The last time we saw her, at 15 (she's 20 now), she was still not bathing regularly or brushing her teeth.

Stop pointing it out to your H. He knows. Just politely remove yourself and keep rolling down the windows.

Lillywy00's picture

Stop pointing it out to your H. He knows. Just politely remove yourself and keep rolling down the windows.
 

My thoughts here too. 
 

My now ex Disneyland dad over here had both his kids smelling like they rolled in a bag of Fritos, onions, rust, and skunk piss

I said not a word ... because if he was honest --- he knew they had body odor and thought he could lazily approach the issue, but wisely knew the stakes (people refusing to get close to them or worse making fun of them) and told them to freshen up  

I never went in their rooms (where the stench permeated) at this point I was already disengaged though because I was tired of expending energy helping this dude get his overgrown militant kids up to par. 

Rags's picture

 I would say something, and I would carry around Lysol-To-Go and spray it in her direction. Then... not allow her in my car, home, presence until she bathed.  If she is old enough to have BO, she is old enough to be left at home.

That said, my Skid was subjected to this level of parental/adult failure when he was a toddler visiting SpermLand for visitation.

We would hand him over to his GGF who would fly to our location to pick SS up for visitation.  He would leave a happy, clean, mostly toilet trained, conversant little boy.

1wk or 5wks (depending on if it was summer, winter, or spring visitation) later he woudl come home a sullen, non verbal dirty, smelly loaded diaper wearing waif.  Long dirty finger and toe nails, black sludge under his arm pits, in his crotch, in the crooks of his elbows and behind his knees, puss fille welts all over his butt cheeks, and diaper rash so bad his anus was raw and bleeding.  He would howl in pain when we cleaned him up his butt burned so bad.  We started taking him to his pediatrician shortly before visitation pick up and we would take him back on our way home from picking him up at the airport. But... the bottom 10%ers of the legal profession sitting on the SpermLand family law bench in their idiot Harry Potter robes, slinging their infantile Fisher-Price wooden toddler hammers were of the opinion that 'Any child would be blessed to have the love and care of this fine family.'

SS very early in his life learned to bath himself and change his clothes. It was a survival activity for him.  It used to piss off SpermGrandHag to the point that she would yell at him and at my DW about a 5yo showering every day and asking for clean clothes.  Not that he showered perfectly, but he knew that raw arm pits, crotch, waist, etc... hurts. He did not like that.

StepUltimate's picture

"My now ex Disneyland dad over here had both his kids smelling like they rolled in a bag of Fritos, onions, rust, and skunk piss"

OMG this has me cracking UP!

Biggrin

Rumplestiltskin's picture

It's sad how afraid these guys are to parent. When my son was that age, i had to smell his hair and under his arms when he got out of the shower bc he would try to get away with not using soap amd shampoo. I turned him around and said get back in there! I said wash your behind because i assume you skipped that, too, but i'm not checking! People say "Oh, it's because their parents are divorced." But that's not all of it. Skid Syndrome isn't just about spoiling, but it's a combo of spoiling and neglect of doing the harder parts of parenting. 

Lillywy00's picture

EXACTLY!!!

Disneyland parents so scared of actually parenting their kids and end up doing them a real disservice 

I'd do the same ... smell check then if unacceptable turn around and try again and ask for help/demonstrations/better hygiene products

Survivingstephell's picture

Lack of hygiene is a major clue for mental illness. Does your DH know that? I really question his sanity not requiring basic hygiene for his own flesh and blood.  I'd turn this on DH and let him feel the pain of his failure to parent.  Did he change diapers? Potty train ?  

Wash your A$$ is standard parenting for kids. DH must not have any self respect for himself to let HIS kid be the stinky one.   This is all on him.    
 

My skids used to come over smelly and they got right into the shower. It was stale cat pee smell.  I pointed out to DH that HIS kids were the stinky kids because of BM. He read her the riot act and it got better.  Those were the early days when she was "learning how to parent" by comparing herself to my parenting.  If you must tap into a little competition to achieve a better smelling home, do it.   

Id also buy him soap for Christmas,  a shower caddy with everything he needs to stay clean   That would be the ONLY gift I would participate in   

 

Lillywy00's picture

He got upset with me saying he knows why I have it down. I told him we can talk about it later and he basically told me I was shaming his son... 
 

No. Your husband is shaming his son by sending him out in public knowing he has a strong offensive odor. 
 

He knows his son has poor hygiene and refused to correct something this is easily corrected. 
 

"Son. Go get in the shower and dont you dare come in here for games/entertainment/leaving out in public/etc until you have done what I asked you to do."

"Son. You are expected to shower/brush teeth/come hair/apply deodorant DAILY and after workouts/heavy sweating" 

Basic hygiene is not an option. And if he really is struggling after the expectations then sign him up for mental health therapy (not trying to be insulting but seriously check that he's not suffering from depression, OCD, or some other mental illness) 

Rags's picture

Trigger Warning!

A story of extraordinary intervention on teen stench.

I attended Military boarding school for HS.  Invariably, at the beginning of each year a New Cadet would show up who reeked beyond tolerance. The process for getting them integrated into the structure of being a Cadet included haircut, uniform issue, hygiene product issue, training, etc.... and .... daily inspection of room, uniform, and .... a sniff test.  If the stanky New Boy failed the sniff test .... they got a few days to comply under firm guidance.  They figured it out  ... or .... blanket/shower party.

Not an official stance of course. Obviously had elements of hazing involved. But.... a stanky pig pen discheveled cadet negatively impacted the lives of every cadet in that Squad/Platoon/Compay... etc....  Their poor hygiene choices mattered to far more than just them.  Though it was obvious that it did not matter to them.

On some dark night, the stench generator would likely be bagged up in their bed sheets, placed on the floor of the showers, and ... showered. The first time they were allowed to shampoo, soap up, rinse, and shave themselves under raucus guidance of their peers.   Usually, that was all it took and .... with the support of their room mate and Squad mates they got their proverbial shit together.  For the particularly stubborn, it got far more participatory as far as room mates/squad mates/platoon mates, etc... were concerned.

Being showered with household cleaning products and stiff bristled scrub brushes certainly takes care of stench.  I recall only a single new cadets so commited to maintaining their odiferous emanations that they required a 3rd shower party. Not a pretty experience for them.  From stiff bristled scrub brushes the applying cadets/peers might upgrade to Brillo pads.

That kid learned to shower every day.  Without fail. As we all did.  Fortunately those reeky new cadets were relatively rare.

One of my strongest memories of my first day was when I was taken to the barber shop. As I was getting my hair cut, the barber commented that I was the only one who had clean hair that he had seen all day.  Then the barbers went into laughingly recounting some of the stinky, greasy, nasty hair they had cut over the years.  As it turned out, the barber that trimmed my long locks that day, and cut my hair regularly for the next 3yrs, had also cut my dad's hair when he was at the school.... 20+ years before I was.

I do not recommend this for Skids ... unless they are sent to military school, but handing daddy a long handled scrub brush, a new bottle of Dawn dishwashing soap (hey, they use it on oil covered ducklings so it is gentle) and sending daddy or mommy and the stanky spawn to the backyard for a bathing session with the garden hose.... may be in order.

Let daddy know that the stanky spawn will not be in the home or any vehicle.  Ever. Unless they are freshly bathed with freshly laundered clothing on.  Daddy playing video games with the putrid failed family spawn is definately the problem.  They show up to the meal table reeking, they get nothing until they go shower... effectively....  and change into clean clothing. Their bioparent can accompany them to supervise if it is a chronic problem.

"Take it and get it clean. Then you can both come back to the table. No one wants to smell ... that."

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Sadly, it is the kid that will ultimately suffer the consequences and humiliation for the failure of the parents.  Hopefully the parent and putrid Skid figure it out before peers buying and using Brillow pads is applied. 

Though.. Christmas is approaching. It might be time for a joint wrapped gift for daddy and the stench to be under the tree for them to unwrap together on Christmas AM.  Brillo Pads!!!!!

Pardon

Bad

(Reeking Shit Emoji)

Lillywy00's picture

On some dark night, the stench generator would likely be bagged up in their bed sheets, placed on the floor of the showers, and ... showered

This is hilarious!!! How that kid got imported .... directly into the shower.... do not pass go do not collect 200 dollars ... until you freshened up in that shower lol!

handing daddy a long handled scrub brush, a new bottle of Dawn dishwashing soap (hey, they use it on oil covered ducklings so it is gentle) and sending daddy or mommy and the stanky spawn to the backyard for a bathing session with the garden hose.... may be in order.
 

Not the dawn powerwash LOL!!! 
 

Too bad it's not possible to powerwash some sense into these scary lazy Disneyland parents

 

Thumper's picture

On a serious note, he attends school right?

I am surprised this has not elevated to counseling and the school nurse. 

Maybe frame it that way to dh---HEY teach your son personal hygiene  before the school contacts you.

Buy him some teen male body spray and deodorant. (don't feel that you cant go buy this stuff)

Kid can pick,  Shower before school OR right before bed. Sometimes both. Its a new,  mandatory house rule for tweens 11 and older Smile

That is what I would do. 

 

 

 

Rags's picture

Mom and dad did not allow failure to bathe.I was always a shower in the AM Tween/Teen    Until HS when I was very active AM and PM before and after school and Evening Study.  My Sr. year I had the only Cadet apartment with two rooms, one I set up as a study, the other as my bedroom, and a full bathroom.  I showered AM/PM and sometimes even more.   

One of my favorite relaxation activities was a steam bath/shower at the Natatorium.  I had a master key to the whole campus because I managed the pool.  I would go to the pool, put a chair in the middle of the pool showers turn on every shower with steaming hot water, and just zombie out.  On a crowded campus it was one of the only things I could do for some privacy.  Because I was a Cadet Officer on the deans list I was exempt from mandatory evening study.  I could get two hours of steaming in when the spirit moved me.

Even now, I shower AM and often PM most days.  Though I will admit,  I have gone more than a day between showers pccassopmally  since I have been on my mid career self sabbadical since June.  

MoonlightMama's picture

Thank you to everyone for the advice and overall much needed laughs too. It's pretty much going to be my responsibility to provide constant reminders of showering unfortunately as DH just "forgets" to parent most of the time. My involvement ends when it comes to the room I refuse to go in there and DH can fork out the cleaning bill if he chooses. Thanks for the advice and for the venting space!

Rose_Pedal's picture

My case is nowhere near as extreme as yours but we dealt with bad hygiene from SD12 mostly from 9-11.5. Although it has gotten better than it was it is still a struggle and we still have to REMIND her to take a shower when her hair starts looking super greasy and remind her to brush her teeth.

She's been starting to get a lot of big blackheads on her nose and forehead acne (yes I know acne can happen no matter what through puberty but in her case I think it's lack of hygiene.)

She used to even brag about how she didn't brush her teeth and thought it was funny.

It always made me cringe.

This is one thing with kids this age I will NEVER understand as I was NOT like this, ever.

I am a very clean person, always have been, even as a child I loved organizing, cleaning and was obsessed with things being pristine all the time, including my teeth, hair, room, etc.

Some people say this is normal for kids to go through and they're just gross but I find it totally inappropriate and alarming. 
 

Honestly, this is going to start to be a thing at school for him. Maybe someone will *gently* bully him into realizing he's being gross and he'll be embarrassed and change.

Not saying bullying is okay but unfortunately sometimes it's just the push some kids need because they crave fitting in with their peers.

Rags's picture

Not normal at all IMHO.  Far from it.

Sadly, she may we be a toothless pock marked adult if she is not careful.

I know that preteens or early teens really have no appreciation of risk or future impact of choices.  But, they will live the consequences.

Adults can only do so much to run interferance for kids making poor choices.  Once the teeth fall out and the skin is permanently scared, there is not much a parent can do other than pay for tooth implants and dermabrasion that may or may not resolve the issue.

I for one, would not pay for those things.  The kidult should have to bear that cost.  

Or... likely nothing is learned.