Mentally Ill Ex
Hi all,
I'm glad I found this group. I have found that being a stepmom has been incredibly isolating, and I feel like no truly gets it when I share with friends/family/sometimes my spouse (when it comes to his ex: F). Man, I don't even know where to start. I've started typing and then I erase everything because it's too damn much.
Basically, from 2019-now F has been uncooperative, deceitful (with my spouse, her family, her son, and the legal system), and just overall difficult to co-parent with. F has made several accusations with DSS against my spouse that have all gone unfounded. She believes my spouse "shut them down" and made the cases go away. She currently believes that my spouse has hacked her entire life. Like, electronic devices, her family, ME, and the guardian ad litem.
In 2023, F "gave up" her son to us with the original excuse being her bathroom was being worked on, but we found out over the course of a few weeks that she was not doing well mentally (we've all suspected this for years). I commend her for doing so because at least, deep deep down in her right mind she knew her son would be in good hands. She ended up being hospitalized for a week for paranoia, psychosis, delusions and suicidal ideation. When things went "back to normal" on her end, she asked for visitation, and my spouse being the good human being that he is, let her take him and she ended up keeping him from school because she thought my spouse was getting a passport to take the child out of the country while he was traveling for work.
My spouse was eventually granted temp sole custody, and she was granted visitation on Sat&Sun from 9am-6pm with visitation at her parents house. A guardian ad litem was appointed to this case.
My spouse did everything on time to get the ball rolling. For several months, F avoided the guardian. When the guardian was able to get a hold of her, an appointment would be made and then F would cancel them with little to no notice. She told the guardian that she woulnd't do a virtual meet because my spouse would hack the meeting. In the report, the guardian states she wasn't able to hold a linear conversation at any point in time, F claimed to not know the current state of the situation, and that she had never seen the legal documents that were presented to her.
Fast forward to April 2024, mediation was scheduled and F didn't show up. Her lawyer was not able to get in contact with her. No one is ever able to get in contact with her. I'm assuming this is because she doesn't trust that my spouse isn't listening to her conversations or reading emails/texts. No one knows.
Here's what gets me riled up: my spouse does everything right with the legal system, but that's it. He doesn't lay down boundaries, he isn't firm with her, he gives her too many chances/is too lenient, no consequences, etc.
It drives me absolutely insane. He is one of the most intelligent and confident people I know. He's very sure of himself and does not back down from his opinions -respectfully- when he knows he's in the right, which is usually often (sigh). With her? He crumbles. He's not as firm, not as quick, and gives in. I recognize this because I'm like with my ex (a different story for another time)!! I understand 100% how difficult it can be to face someone who has made your life vastly more complicated. I understand and can empathize with how much he cares about his son's relationship with his mom and how he views her (because I also struggle with that with my son and his dad). He's also trying to set the right example, and I get that. But to what extent?? Their son sees how his mom gets her way when it comes to interactions between them.
Example 1: Her visitation is 9am-6pm on Sat&Sun. She shows up between 7:00-7:45am with no notice. (This has been going on since the order was given. July 2023). Why? Because he has never set the boundary. The solution/boundary could've been: "Hey, the order states your visitation starts at 9:00am. Can you come back in X hours? If you'd like more time outside of the agreement, I'd be happy to discuss that another time. Additionally, can you give me a heads up next time?"
Example 2: She was offered weekday visitation - she could pick him up at X time, take him to practice, and then dinner. She showed up at Y time (an hour and 15 min early) with no notice. When my spouse said, "Oh, you're early." she said, "I know." ... Guys, I wanted to scream. I only know because the Nest camera recorded this -and all- interactions. "I know" ??!! My spouse could've said, "He's not ready because he's in the middle of doing homework. Can you come back at X time like we discussed?" but he didn't. He just let it happen. What ended up happening? She didn't bring him back home until 7:45pm. We start to wind down/get ready for bed at 7:00pm. At 7:00pm, she pulled into the driveway, realized she didn't actually take him to dinner, and then drove back out. Another excuse she gave, "I thought drop off was before dark." and then also claimed she left because my spouse's car wasn't there, but mine was. And I was on the porch. The reality: drop off has never been before dark, she has always brought him home on time/early, and she has dropped him off before when I'm the only one who's been home.
Example 3: She showed up at 7:30am without notice asking to see her son, who was already in school. When asked why she needed to see him, she gave some weird excuse about needing/picking up clean clothes and about dropping off cookies -that she didn't even have with her-. I asked her not to show unannounced, and if she texted beforehand. She didn't acknowledge me at all. Literally didn't even look at me. Instead, she asked my spouse if he was speaking, or if I was speaking.. I reiterated that I am the one speaking, and that I also live there and her coming by unannounced makes me uncomfortable. The conversation continued into the drop off incident from days prior, and she claimed it was related to their son having "confusion around electronics". When asked to clarify, she said, "Oh, I forgot you don't study that anymore." and began to walk away, but asked about Mother's Day visitation. Of course my spouse granted her only two hours (considering drop off has been an issue lately). She didn't seem to like that, but she ended up leaving.
Later, when I wento save the Nest video, I noticed she knocked and then looked inside the house while she waited for the door to be answered. The whole interaction was bizzare. **my spouse has asked her a few times to not come unannounced, and she still does it. I've come up with an action plan -since I feel I'm the only one being proactive about this-, with the support from my cop friend, to call the police next time and have her on trespass notice next time shows up randomly.**
We come to find out that what actually happened during the drop off incident. My stepson told my spouse that his mom was telling him that my spouse hacked into her family's minds/bodies and controlled them back in the day when they were together. He agreed with her so he could get ready to go back home, but she wouldn't take him back home, so her dad got invovled and was going to bring him home, but she got angry and they started fighting. My stepson was upstairs away from the fight, but he could hear the yelling. F had come upstairs and was talking about the hacking again, and he told her none of that was true and she got mad at him. She fought with her dad again, and eventually stormed out. He said as they drove past her house (she lives on her parent's property), he heard her scream in anger.
It's been two days and my spouse has yet to speak with her father about this incident (who is the most sane out of those in her family - but is starting to become untrustworthy due to other information we found out), has yet to email our lawyer about this, and has yet to tell her she will not able to pick up her son on Mother's Day due to the concerning nature of the last visitation. He is very busy with work, and this is quite stressful, but the emotional (possibly physical) safety is at stake here and should take prescedence.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills and I know I'm missing so much more in this post. Am I in the wrong for suggesting he try to do more? I have expressed my frustrations, worries, thoughts, opinions, but I am fucking tired of it, man. She will keep doing this shit if HE himself doesn't put his foot down. Not the courts, HIM. His child's/my stepson's emotional safety is compromised every time he's with her, she constantly violates boundaires, her behavior is unpredictable, my emotional safety is threatened, and the harmony and balance of our family/relationship is threatened every time he chooses not to say something/let things slide. Is that not enough?? Everyone uses the excuse that she's mentally ill (we suspect borderline, or schizophrenia), but mental health IS NOT an excuse! Boundaries need to be rigid and consistent. Advocate for the safety of your child. At the end of the day, this is about the child. She has proven time and time again that she cannot be trusted or responsible.
Also, my spouse is an incredible person. He continues to show her respect and be fair even when she doesn't deserve it/hasn't earned it. I just wish he would put the same fire he did into my situation with my ex into his situation with his ex. He's so capable, and I don't understand why he takes it easy on her. She takes advantage every time.
Thanks for making this far.
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I think your husband needs to
I think your husband needs to tell the guardian al about these issues and her ongoing issues with paranoia and mental health and that while he wants his son to have a relationship with his mother.. there need to be some safeguards.
1. supervised visitation only.
2. all exchanges happen outside your home... no coming to your home.. your SO can deliver SS to the visitation location.
3. Calling the cops when she is there early is probably a bit of a stretch really.. you can refuse to answer the door if she arrives early or at a time when not expected.
I'm guessing your DH is trying to not spur any blow ups with her due to her unpredictable mental state.
I really appreciate your
I really appreciate your input. Honestly, I've joined other groups and everyone is quick to attack so I was nervous about this. I agree that he probably doesn't want to rock the boat, but he doesn't have to ugly about it, you know? It just shakes me up every time. I wish I could do more and I have no idea how to disengage from it.
You must disengage
I had a similar situation with husband and Toxic Troll bio mother (BM). He was far too lenient and no boundaries and shes a boundary-buster all the way.
He moved BM out when they separated, moved her 2 times after that, furnished her place with beds and dressers for kids, dropped bags of groceries. On and on - to keep things "nice".
If you partner isnt managing the relationship and boundaries are not there - you cannot engage. Thats my opinion.
How did you learn to be ok
How did you learn to be ok with disengaging? I've literally been thinking about the lastest incident (where she showed up in the morning and peeked inside my house) for the last two days. Driving myself crazy thinking, "Why can't he just...?" or planning what I'm going to say next time and really stick it to her -respectfully-. I can't stand this.
This might not be the most
This might not be the most popular opinion, but when my DH was scared crapless of BM many years ago and the B kept harassing us, I finally shut her down. She had emailed me a particularly vicious email and I was done. If BM has peeked into YOUR windows of YOUR house, YOU have the right to shut her crap down right there. Maybe DH will follow your lead. Or maybe he'll get really mad at you. In my view, there's only so much s*** we can take. Mentally ill or not, good grief, this sounds like hell. (I wonder if your DH might act if you tell him that if he doesn't, you will...)
Thank you for the validation!
Thank you for the validation! I'm not sure if he'd be mad or not, my guess is probably not. I feel like I'm getting to that point I just can't invest more emotional energy into this, but I still got a few more interactions in me. I've often wondered if I should ask him for her number and just contact her myself. If he's not, someone has to, but at the same time I don't want her having my number.
Mentally ill
I work on it daily! ANd Im not an expert, but cameras...and documenting might also help. Then you might feel better. Post "no trespassing" signs and be ready to call, lol.
Its taken a loooooooong time, but you will regret all that time you have given this.
We have a Nest camera that I
We have a Nest camera that I basically had to beg for specifically so we could record any random interactions on our porch. I've saved all the recent interactions and have started taking a note of events immediately after they happen.
Thank you for the validation! My spouse will say occasionally, "It takes time." but I don't want to reach that point where I'm like, "Welp. F is being F again." I HATE when someone is not being held accountable or called out.
My BM is not mentally ill but
My BM is not mentally ill but she is a sneaky, manipulative, passive aggressive person and I cannot stand her. I think I've had ONE real conversation with her in ten years, very early on.
My DH used to cut her a LOT of slack, "Oh she's a good mom" "She just wants the best for the girls" "She's having a hard time herself with OSD" (and so on) when he's tell me about the horribly rude, dismissive and undermining text/email she sent him in response to a legit question or concern. He never outright TOLD her how rude she was or that she was wrong or that she had no business what he was doing, so she just continued to steamroll. DH now just ignores her contacts for the most part but still has issues seeing her rudeness. I have to sometimes explain it to him, then he realizes what she's done and then he doesn't respond any more but he never shuts her down.
I've told him over and over, point blank, "She is NOT on your side, stop giving her credit, she is manipulative and dissmissive and she DOESN'T CARE. Why are you trying?" FFS. He's better than he used to be but still not great. And it's rubbed off on the SDs. OSD doesn't communicate with him at all any longer and YSD barely does and clearly "looks down" on DH.
I'd be super up front with your DH - make it crystal clear what the exact issue is and what you will be doing moving forward regarding HIS actions (I'd stay 10,000 feet away from interacting with your BM) and how HIS non-action is effecting you.
See, that's what I'm talking
See, that's what I'm talking about.. I told my spouse last night that it'll matter in the long run for his son to see him/us be firm and set rigid boundaries with her. Kids pay attention!! They notice when you kneel and just take it. Kids want to know you're on their side even they can't express it themselves - and even if they love their other parent. No one is real about her mental state and they dance around it to protect him. He knows though!! He expressed it in therapy. And he has said he is sometimes scared in her prescence and feels unsafe.
Also, I think you're right
Also, I think you're right about staying away from her. It's probably best.
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Just because she is mentally ill.
Dose not mean she doesn't know what she is doing. She is playing DH. Doing what she wants until someone stops her. DH has to start recording her, do every interaction bu texting so there's records.
Omg thank you!! I've been
Omg thank you!! I've been saying this for months now. DH and his family always use her mental health as an excuse and it makes my blood boil.
I would not reach out to her
First of all, you are right: then she does have your number and can reach out to you and/or harass you. Secondly, I just think you will not get the reaction you are hoping for. To me it sounds like the BM has serious mental issues, even delusions and that she will probably see your asking for boundaries as a threat. She will likely go into defense mode and that could backfire. It is also very likely that she won't respect your wishes because from what I read, I'm gathering that she simply does not care about you or your DH and all the rules you set for visitation. I totally understand your frustration about your DH's tiptoeing around the problem but in my opinion he is the only one to solve this problem. Get on his nerves, talk to him about the issue everyday and make him more uncomfortable with you approaching him about BM and her behaviour than BM's behaviour itself. It is very honorable that DH still respects the mother of his child and treats her nicely but he on the other hand does not respect your emotional well-being. And you are his wife now which means that your feelings and happiness should be his priority. If F has a diagnosis of a mental disease and is behaving weird because of it, she needs to seek treatment. Not peek in your windows or mess up visitation schedules. Not an excuse!
Thank you for this!! I've
Thank you for this!! I've been telling myself recently that he is the only one who can solve this, and that I need to be more annoying about it. And you're absolutely right about my well being! I'm hoping this year will bring more changes to this situation. I'll defnitely have to post updates.
I get the lack of confidence
I get the lack of confidence when dealing with a tormenter. For me the learning curve on moving to zero tolerance for crap from those types of people started in late elementary school/early Jr. HS (Yes, back in the days before they called it middle school). I was a target for bullies. I was easy going, a decent athelete, top 20%-ish academically, just out of the gawky kid phase, and pushing 6ft tall. Fighting terrified me. It still does. Finally I gained clarity that getting hit hurts so if I am going to hurt, the other person is going to the hospital. And that was when things shifted.
My XW tried the bully shit. She lost her ever loving mind when I sat down with she and her short term attorney to discuss her abandoning the settlement she proposed and I had already agreed to. When notarized copies of her diaries, notarized copies of every University paper she had turned in for the last 3yrs of her BS (rough drafts in my hand writing and graded final versions) were placed on the table, it was game on.
I am still easy going. What I am not is a shrinking violet. I get quiet, observant, and then, I go for the combo throat punch, rip out their trachea, then knee to the nads when people like this make the mistake of overstepping.
DW was amazing during our CO years, however, it did take some guidance, a bit of firm nudging, and the occassional brutal destruction of the SpermClan by me to get her to get past her "But they haven't done their usual mean stuff in a long time. Maybe they are past that?" tendencies.
Past behavior being the best predictor of future performance, I would supportively advise that she keep her diva designer heel at their throats and talk softly rather than going all nice with them. She would back off, they would immediatley try to take a mile. Then... throat punch, rip out the trachea, and close with a knee to the nads to get them back under their slime covered rock at the bottom of their shallow and polluted gene pool. Figuratively of course.
SS was kept abreast of the facts so when the SpermClan would redirect by targeting him, he had a heads up and was not blind sided. When they did target him, the agressive response was escalated. Eventually they learned. STFU, do what they were told, follow the CO, or suffer. Unfortunately their memory was short and invariably at some point they would crawl back out for another rock. When SS aged out from under the CO, they shifted to targeting him. He had been up to speed on the facts and lived their crap nearly his entire life by that point. So, he tolerated no bullshit and kept them in their place. That.... pretty much ended them as any consideration for him and ended them having any place in his life. He will be 32 in a couple of months and has had as close to zero contact without it being zero, contact with them in many years.