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Nature vs Nurture?

sasha101's picture

I've often wondered whether the problem skids we deal with are the way they are wholly because of things like upbringing/parenting etc, or whether some of it could be genetic/hereditary and the problems they have could have happened anyway regardless of family or parenting issues etc. Some so-called experts reckon that nature plays a big part in why people turn out the way they do, though I believe that nurture plays a bigger part and most kids who have behaviour and attitude problems are the way they are mainly because of their upbringing and early experiences in life, unless they have a genuine condition like autism or learning disabilities which cannot be foreseen or prevented.

So many times we read about skids acting up because their bm (or bio dad) is selfish, lazy, ignorant or just plain evil and uses the kids as weapons against their ex. It's sad that so many bms' hatred for their ex is stronger than the love they have for their kids and they're prepared to hurt their own children in such a way that screws them up for life and turns them into selfish, angry, non functioning monsters who then go on and do the same thing to their own kids in years to come.

I think that nature maybe has some part to play, in that kids inherit some genetic factors from their parents, and I believe the risk of mental illness is higher in people where there is a family history. That is certainly true of dh's family, as his mother and siblings as well as dh suffer from depression and anxiety problems. Bm has mental health issues but is the opposite of dh. He is calm, gentle, doesn't feel sorry for himself and just gets on with life the best way he can, while bm is an attention seeker, is loud and aggressive and has the biggest poor me attitude I've ever seen. She is incapable of taking responsibility for anything and it's always someone else's fault. I see so much of bm's attitude in ss16, despite the fact he's been raised by me and dh since he was 9. I can't understamd how, when he says he dislikes bm and knows what a nasty person she is, he turns out to be just like her, and I would have thought at age 16 he should be able to make a conscious effort to become as unlike her as possible. I have a bd20 with my abusive ex and when she got to about 14 I told her she had a foul temper and a bad attitude just like him, and she told me she didn't want to be like him and was going to try and change. She did great and although has some issues still from her dad's emotional abuse, has made a conscious effort to change the things about herself she didn't like and is a happy, independent young woman with her own life.

Bm also claims to be dyslexic (I don't know whether that's true or it's just another excuse to get other people to do things for her), but she has the writing abilities of a 7 year old. She also has a very low IQ so is generally quite slow anyway. The 3 skids are all the same with their writing - it's appalling although they can read and understand fine and have no problems with their maths, and I'm sure the writing problems must be inherited. They've been tested for dyslexia and the school say none of them have it. Dh is an intelligent guy with an above average IQ, and luckily it seems they've inherited his brains but with her writing abilities, which is a real shame as it will probably hinder them when they're older.

All the skids have got issues due to bm's emotional abuse - ss9 is far too clingy to dh and has speech problems despite lots of speech therapy, ss10 is moody and completely obsessed with food and ss16 is very selfish, loud, a bully, a compulsive liar and a thief. I can see there being real trouble with these kids as they get older, even though they've had a stable home with us for the past 6 years, plenty of discipline and plenty of encouragement, and I think a lot of it is due to what bm did to them during their early years with her. I can see them all ending up with mental health problems too, as there are signs certainly with ss10 already.

The kids cannot help inheriting genetics from their bio family and there isn't much anyone can do about that, but it makes me sick to think that the bm in our case and many others on here have chosen to make things worse by causing irrepairable mental/emotional damage to their kids which will affect them for the rest of their lives, and eventually will affect their future partners and children. It's also sad that these attitudes and behaviours get so embedded in these damaged kids they are incapable of trying to change when they get older, so we end up with another generation of screwed-up kids.

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GhostWhoCooksDinner's picture

My skids' situation sounds similar. SS13 and SS8 have a lot of potential, but BM is raising them in a sick environment. She has severe Borderline PD and refuses to get therapy. She denies the kids have any issues and absolutely refuses to take any responsibility for their outcomes.

SS13 is a nervous wreck, anxious, a pathological liar, and still wets the bed several nights a week. He currently is failing four classes.

SS8 is also a pathological liar. He slams doors, screams obscenities, and punches himself in the face when he's upset. We've seen this at our house, teachers have seen it, but BM denies this ever happens at her house. According to SS13, it happens frequently. DH and I have SS8 in therapy twice a month, but BM refuses to send him. She doesn't want anyone to find out who she really is and how she's raing her kids. We're hoping the situation implodes, because that's the only way these kids are ever going to get help. SS8's first grade teacher filed a CPS report due to poor attendance and SS8 falling asleep and crying in class, but nothing came of it. CPS is a joke.

PeanutandSons's picture

I think its a mix of the two. And I also think that the nurture influence happens very early in a child life and its near impossible to change once a personality has been formed.

SD is almost exactly like her mother. Same victim mentality, same need for attention, same self centered nature, and sorry to say....same overly sexualized flirtatious behavior. The thing is though.....bm ran out on SD when she was three months old. She's visited her for an hour or two at a time a handful of times her whole life. Yet SD turned into the same person her mother is even with no exposure to her.

The parts of SD that don't mirror bm are direct copies of mil. Mil raised SD from 3 month to 4 years. SD is a complete blend of bum and mil. We have been unable to break her of any of her BSD habits/traits Tthe six years that we have had her. As hard as I try to think, she has absolutely nothing in common with me or with dh. She's picked up nothing from us, her personality was set by the age of 4.

SS was with his bio mom until he was 2. He is 100‰ bio mom. She ran and his from eh and it took 18 months to find then and then 6 months to establish visitation (by then DCF ended up pulling him and giving him to dh anyways) so dh had no contact for those first two years. There is absolutely nothing of my husbands personality in this kid. None at all. I see a tiny bit of my influence in him, but its miniscuel [I came along when he was 3]

We have managed to change individual behaviors here and there....but their underlying personalities at all.