DH wants to join our finances
For the most part DH and I have kept our finances separate. We each pay toward household expenses but keep whatever we each have left as our own money. A lot of issues have come up due to us being married and how we have did this.
1. By being married, I pay a lot more taxes now. DH pays a lot less. DH makes about 2.5 times what I do. However, he pays $30k in CS. Before we got married I was able to claim head of household and received the child credit. Afterwards, I am paying a higher rate due to our incomes being joined and get no child credit. DH is paying quite a bit less since the married rate is quite a bit lower than the single rate. DH's income is not taxed on the state level because he is a resident of the state he entered the military in. They don't tax his income. I pay 100% of the state taxes on my income. BIG Advantage DH.
2. My BS is not going to receive any financial aid for college now that they will take DH's income into account. The most he will be able to get is loans. He would of qualified if we hadn't gotten married.
3. I am actually paying a much larger share of the household expenses due to the way things have been working. This is mainly due to me being the primary person doing all the grocery shopping, etc.
4. I am against having one main joint account because it would be considered DH's asset and it would be vulnerable every time BM decides to sue for more money.
With the way things have been working, I struggle while DH, BM and skids live at pretty much the level of DH's income. Our household does not get any benefit of his high income because it all goes to BM/skids. I have tried to explain to DH that the only reason it is this way is because I am also providing some of the money because I am taking on more of the household expenses. He's not providing what he should for our household. The excess that he has is due to this and has been being used for lawyer fees and extra expenses paid to BM.
DH thinks that combining our finances will solve the problem. I don't think it will. The only thing that will solve the issue is if he sets come kind of limits on what goes to BM/skids household. The CS is a set amount but all the other amounts are not and if he doesn't stop those, it will always be taking away from our household.
I am looking for solutions where you combine finances. DH really wants to and I am willing to look at options but I would like some ideas with details rather than DH's simple idea of we just put everything together.
I would like to know any ideas that have worked/didn't work and why.
We are going to be having this conversation this weekend and I want to go into it with some ideas.
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I am in favor of keeping
I am in favor of keeping things separate but DH really wants to join more things. He knows I'm getting the short end of this and thinks joining will help.
I do have a 529 for my son and will be able to afford two years of a community college at this point. My son's BD won't be contributing anything because he doesn't make hardly any money so I know whatever my BS gets will be from me. BS also understands he's going to have to work, take loans, etc.
I like the idea of a joint card. Maybe we use that and then split the expenses at the end of the month. That way I wouldn't end up paying the lion's share.
What were your plans for your
What were your plans for your son's college education prior to getting married? What about the SKs? Will they be stuck with community college as well or have the option of going away and living on campus?
College for my BS was always
College for my BS was always going to be a huge challenge since I knew it would be 100% on me due to his BD not making much money. I did think he would get aid. I did not know the guidelines of FAFSA before DH and I got married. I only found out afterwards that it would negatively effect BS's aid.
DH staying in the Navy long enough so both skids will get full GI bill. They will be able to go to a state school for free basically. They have snubbed their noses up at that and want to go to very expensive private schools. SS's choice is $65k a year. DH has some additional money put aside for each skid as well. His CO says he doesn't have to contribute more than $5k per year and he has that much put away so he feels he's already met his obligation for skids. They will most likely go to some private college just not $65k a year.
He thinks it would solve me
He thinks it would solve me ending up getting shorted with the way things currently are. I don't really agree that it will. Combining will do nothing to change BS's college situation. Combining will do nothing if he doesn't cut BM off, not the CS but all the other things.
I don't think he would ever consider a legal divorce.
My husband and I did a
My husband and I did a spreadsheet every month (before I moved out).
We would keep track of which combined expenses we each paid for each month, including groceries, household bills, the mortgage, etc. At the end of the month I would calculate what our income ratio was (my income is static but his fluctuates). If he made 60% of our combined income and I made 40%, then that's how we split the shared expenses. So at the end of each month, one of us would owe the other money.
It worked for us and we didn't fight about money. I also stopped paying for anything for SD - if I did for some reason, my husband had to reimburse me 100%.
I would never combine my finances with my husband, given his financial obligation to BM/SD.
I think the biggest issue is
I think the biggest issue is going to be deciding what is considered joint household expenses. For example, federal income taxes we have split. But the state tax was all my expense. I don't see how that made any sense and DH said he just didn't think about it. If we share federal taxes why not the state taxes. Just because my income is taxed and his isn't doesn't seem to make sense to me. My income was even taxed at a higher rate because we were married. At the very least he should pay part of that increase. He also doesn't consider some of the things I do as household.
Since BM never worked, DH and her always had all their money in one account and they both spent out of it. He doesn't understand that I work and make money too and that it doesn't all go in that pot because in essence it would them be available for BM and skids through the courts as an asset of DH's.
I don't think I'm going to join things together more because it will just makes things more difficult if we split. DH is looking at this at helping our issues and I'm looking at it as complicating the ending.
I agree. I think DH actually
I agree. I think DH actually thinks this will help with all the issues. He doesn't understand that it won't help. What will help is keeping his word about what he already agreed to. He said he wasn't going to argue the custody court thing and now is which means more lawyer fees. I really think I need to show him on paper how he wouldn't be able to afford these lawyer fees if I wasn't paying more in our household. Also, he wouldn't be able to afford any of it without the benefits he gets from the taxes.
This works for us...DH pays
This works for us...DH pays the mortgage and insurance. I pay all of the other utilities. Makes it about half and half.
If I go to the store and spend 100 on groceries...DH either gives me 50 bucks or he goes to the store next time and spends 100 on groceries. And visa versa. We make about the same amount of money. Since your income are so different then you should look at cutting down your contribution. Unless your DS lives with you full time...
He knows I'm getting the
He knows I'm getting the short end of this and thinks joining will help.
Bull. There are other ways if he is really concerned about you getting the short end. He could just put more cash into your account to make up for it. Easy.
My DH and I have separate accounts. We use a credit card for groceries and household stuff and when the bill comes, I tell him what his portion is and add that to his part of the bills; then he puts that amount into my checking each month, since all the bills are auto pay from my checking account.
My DH is done with child support, so done with all the BM crap, and we still do not have one joint account.
When BM files for a support
When BM files for a support violation DH has to fill out his financial information including all bank accounts including joint ones. The support judge uses the assets as well as income in determining whether DH can afford something. It isn't for the actual CS but the other items. I didn't think it mattered either until I saw it first hand. They also so a stepparent's income isn't used and it's not for the child support calculation but the judges can look at it as a way of saying that the NCP doesn't have as many household expenses and therefore can afford extras for skids.
I would consider what the
I would consider what the benefit is first before you dive into it.
My SO and I aren't married, we have ZERO joint accounts together even though he wanted to. He makes twice as much as me.
But I'm a saver - he's a spender. And I haven't found any benefit to do so.
He pays the mortgage (he had bought the house before I knew him) and I pay the household expenses (utilities, groceries, insurance, childcare), it almost equals out. Except that what he pays has monetary value, what I pay has none.
I have 3 kids from a previous marriage to support - I am thrifty with them and DO NOT spoil them.
He has 1 kid from a previous marriage to support - he pays child support and also spoils this kid rotten.
We sorta share expense on the 1 child we have together.
Consider this - he opened a joint savings account with his retired mother with about $4k. I didn't know he was in arrears and about 6 months later it was emptied out. He told me about it all mad like I was gonna be on his side, but all I said was they only took what you owed, you are so lucky that was not MY money.
Edit: he pretty much spends all his money and has none left by the end of the month.
I'm able to put away $500 every paycheck (or 1k a month) into my savings account. And $50 a month to each of my 4 kids separate accounts as well.
It sounds like you guys are
It sounds like you guys are just barely making it, you say you're struggling, so I wouldnt worry about a judge coming after a joint bank account. Unless you're saving a ton of money, which it doesn't sound like you are, there won't be much to take. Savings can always go in your name privately.
The bigger issue is your DH needs to get realistic about finances. Maybe joining it will help him see that you both aren't making ends meet. I suggest you do a budget (I use YNAB but mint.com offers one for free) and get your DH on board. Once mine saw how little money we had for necessities all the extras to the skids stopped. Good luck!
If anything, I think that you
If anything, I think that you should have three accounts. Yours, his and joint. Keep your normal money going into each personal account. Transfer a set amount towards the joint account for joint expenses. How you split those expenses is up to the couple to work out. Some are just 50/50. Some by percentage based on income or who's kids live with you or are there more often, etc.
But, with the turmoil that has been surrounding you, unless this is a BIG cause of your frustration with your DH, I would be hesitant on joining finances.
Could you tell him it is because then your income could be taken into account for skid expenses?
I don't think that this would
I don't think that this would work for you but we have everything joint, except for one savings account that is in my name but it is "our" money. When everything is ours there is no need to think of who is paying for what because we are both paying for it all.
However I only have 1 SD and my husband is earning way more than me right now (but though I bought a lot of money into the relationship which paid for our wedding, honeymoon, surgery for his daughter and a large down payment on our house as well as what small savings we have right now). So all together we are about even and it works for us.
For you with 2 stepkids to think about and your bio together with you not being happy with your husbands spending habits (particularly towards BM) I would suggest that you don't combine finances yet. Perhaps you can come up with some conditions that your husband works towards to changing his spending habits and agree that if he meets those for 6 months or a year you will seriously consider joining some of your finances and reassess the situation at that time.
I completely agree with this
I completely agree with this way of doing things. I'm the same with my DH. We have each got our own account and have a joint account for household expenses.
Like you DH pays for skid expenses from his account.
The one area where we let things get a little fuzzy is on groceries. We both pay these from our personal accounts. This is mainly because we are too lazy to remember the pin codes for the debit cards on the joint account. But it still works out ok as we both buy groceries fairly regularly. If I was having to fork out everytime, it would come out of the joint account.
I think the biggest issue I
I think the biggest issue I have with joining finances is that I feel we should make decisions together about things if we do that. Even if we did that after child support, I still feel that it isn't fair that I would get no say in decisions for skids. He currently spends thousands of dollars a year on lawyer fees, and extras outside of CS. I have complete decision making ability over 100% of my money and could share that decision making with DH. He can't do that because of his financial obligations to skids. At any moment there could be something knew that he would have to pay for that often times he doesn't even get a choice on. I have seen over the last 4 years how much he has spent on lawyer fees and extras for skids and he barely got a say in any of it. I would definitely not have any say.
I think the only way we could combine any of our money would be to take a certain amount from each of us and treat it as joint with the understanding that it is never to be used for any lawyer fees, skid extras.
I'm confused. What do you
I'm confused. What do you mean he has no say in these extras? What are the thousands of dollars he has no say over? I think if we understood this we could offer better advice.
BM pretty much does what she
BM pretty much does what she wants. $600 for a pair of glasses. $7000 for braces that aren't needed. $10000 in lawyer fees. Every time DH loses and ends up paying. His first lawyer was really bad and even though they are suppose to agree on things she does what she wants and the courts agree with her. They look at the amount of money DH makes and that BM doesn't and they say pay up. We've lost four times which just makes it cost more when you add in the lawyer fees. So basically at any time there could be a new expense that will have to be paid and DH won't even get any say in it.
That's terrible! Ok you
That's terrible!
Ok you asked for specific ideas so here is what we do:
Everything we brought into the marriage is separate and we hold it in accounts in our own names. Our salaries since we've been married go into a joint account. This money is for our household only. DH gets a bonus every year and that is used for all kids extras (CS is taken out of his salary before it even gets to us). DH bonus is used for tuitions, medical expenses, camps, whatever. Saves a lot of fights because if DH wants to spend extra on say SD16, well that's less money for SS18 college, but it doesn't affect our household.
Even if your DH doesn't get bonuses it is easy to split a paycheck into two accounts: one for you guys, one for the kids. Then make a budget for your account, so DH can see where all that money is going and how there is no extra for kids.
I like this idea WokeUp. I
I like this idea WokeUp. I think this is the best idea I've heard along with the credit card for joint expenses. I just don't feel I should have to pay for any of the extra things that DH is paying. I feel he pays more than enough in CS and I accept that but all the other stuff I would not pay if I had a say in it. I would not go to court to fight BM. Some of the medical expenses I would be okay with but the rest in my opinion is pointless and wasted money. I think when he actually sees the numbers he will see my point of view. I agree in principle to sharing money when you are married but in our situations there are some outside forces that affect that decision. I didn't have anything to do with skids or the lousy divorce agreement DH signed and I'm not going to put my money toward it.
Hell to the NO!!! Here's
Hell to the NO!!! Here's what I have set up. I have three credit union accounts.
Credit Union 1=where I deposit my pay and do 99% of the bills
Credit Union 2=A checking account set up in MY name with Chef's savings in it
Chef has his own account at this same credit union for his purchases
Credit Union 3=An account with equity I took out of my house in case of an emergency