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Manipulative SS12, Waiting to get married

SRS1980's picture

Hi everyone.  I'm new here and looking for an outlet in this hard to navigate blended family world.  It's really nice to know you can vent constructively with others that are living similar experiences.  I've been with my fiance 3 yrs.  He has a 12 yr old son and I have a 4 year old son.  We recently bought a bigger house to accomodate our family and pets.  Our plan was to get married and have another child.  I'm almost 38 and the baby door is closing on me.  I desperately want to give my son a sibling but I'm also open to adoption. 

Things up until this point have been relatively peaceful with our ex-spouses.  The kids generally play well considering their age differences.  My fiance's son is an only child and only grandchild (on both sides).  We started dating when he was 9 and he was always entitled, VERY spoiled, cheeky, and coddled yet still sweet and innocent.   At first I thought it was just his grandparents spoiling him which is normal and welcomed.  But I've started to realize that my fiance has practically no rules, no chores, no expections except for doing well in school.  He was awful table manners.  Picks up whole pieces of chicken with his fingers and tears it apart instead of using a knife, wipes his hands on his pants, talks with his mouth full, chews with his mouth open, spits food across the table at you etc.  I've talked to my fiance about it all and he won't enforce any good manners.  Recently he's started to subtly bully my son which some of it has been instigated by his mother.  He's absolutely the most lazy, indignant, spoiled boy I've ever met.  We spend weekends catering to him and driving him from skate park to skate park.  If we don't, he sulks and manipulates his Dad.  His Dad does anything and everything he wants, buys him whatever he wants to keep him happy.  He's built him 3 skateboard ramps in our yard.  We spent over $2,000 to send him to an out of state camp in June (Christmas gift) which he didn't thank us for.  If he's not skateboarding, he's glued to his phone.  There is no limit to screen time or content.  He has the phone 24/7 on him at all times.  He doesn't pick up after himself, leaves trash all over and expects us to pick up after him (which his Dad will do).  He barely brushes his teeth!   Always seems discontented.

I finally had enough and have had several come to Jesus meetings with my fiance.  I am not raising my son this way and we have literally two separate camps at home now.  After he blows up because he thinks I'm judging him for his parenting skills, he'll ignore me for days, have 20 excuses about how he doesn't want his son to stop seeing him so he spoils him, and then come to his senses and makse a chore chart for SS.  SS will do 1 or 2 items that are expected like his laundry because I refuse to do it and he needs underwear.  There is nothing that gets enforced and what he does help with around the house, is like pulling teeth to get him to do it.  His attitude with me when we are alone together can go from very sweet to straight attitude and bravado in seconds.  But in front of his Dad, he's this charming and darling little boy yet also very physically clingy and holds his Dad's hand.   There is so much I can write about it's insane and I'll be here all day, like some of you.    His mom enforces no rules either, he runs the show.  He knows that garbage doesn't fly in our house and I run a tight ship.  You have responsibilities aside from school, you are a part of a family unit.  Dad will address things privately with him and he cries and plays the victim.  It's a vicious cycle of Divocred Father Guilt and SS manipulates him to the fullest.   I cannot enforce anything bc Dad has NO RULES and NO CONSEQUENCES. 

This summer has been so bad that I've been seriously thinking about not marrying him and adopting a child on my own.  We are perfect without his son in the mix lately.  My son has grown up with them and adores both SS and fiance.  He's not an issue.  I do love his son and he does have lovely qualities.  I feel terrible venting like he's a monster, adolesence is not helping the situation though.  We do have our first therapy session on Wednesday which I hope can help.  I'm terrified as to what will come down the road in the teenage years.  Feeling very lost..... my son is so attached to them and I don't want to break up our family.  Has anyone else dealt with this?  Any advice?

 

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ESMOD's picture

Yikes... hope your therapy can help your husband see that you aren't trying to put him down by telling him that he is a poor father but that he is doing harm to his son by not being a better parent to him.  AND... honestly.. would you want to have a child with someone that can't be a parent.. that ices you out.. that sulks at constructive criticism?  Hope your therapist can get him to understand how you are trying to help not hurt the situation.

SRS1980's picture

Thanks.... They both sulk.  Runs in the family I guess.  Ugh.  I'm praying therapy will at least take the edge off.  It's so miserable. 

 

Harry's picture

Do you have SS ???     Therapy, a third party telling him to parent is needed.  If he still does not see the light, Time to call it quits.   You have to be on the same page,  as kids get older the expense goes up.  Cars, College, Wedding. $2,000 is peanuts when they get older 

SRS1980's picture

Thank you.  I agree.  Hopefully therapy has some affect.  We are on the same page after a few days, but then he doesn't enforce what we talk about fully. It's only getting worse.

Momof2sons's picture

It sounds like you and I are fighting the exact same battle. I too have a SS11 and everything you described is what I deal with. Except my DH does not ensure that my SS11 has good grades. I can say that the only fighting that takes place in my  house is due to this child. I have been with him since he was 2 and I get told that I am viewed as "scary" because I have rules. I have 2 BS's. I myself am putting down the rule that we are all going to therapy because my DH gives in to his sons and daughter thinking he's going to "lose" them. We do have SS11 custody with BM every other weekend. The other children of his SS28 married and on her own, and SS27 single but on his own but now moving back to MIL's home in the basement. I hope things go well for you and I wish you a lot of luck. 

SRS1980's picture

UGH!!!  Wow... doesn't care about his grades??!  God bless you!

We also have every other weekend with SS, they share 50/50 custody.  I have 70% custody of my son.  I think a lot of the attitude is jealousy of my son.  He's so young and sweet still.  All of my DH's family swoons over him which bothers SS and he doesn't know how to express himself.  Kids these days have no social skills!  It's ridiculous.  Get off your phone and talk.  To be honest, his intimidating for a 12 yr old.  He has no problem saying rude things but making it seem like an innocent question.  Like the other day I was coming home from Costco and went to pull in the garage, he had to move all of his skateboard stuff so I could park.  Instead of helping me bring in the groceries, he looked at me and rolled his eyes and said "why do you have to park in the gargage?'  I was so shocked.... I said bc that's where cars go!

Or when we went to meet a friend for her birthday for a few hours two weeks ago and left him home for the first time.  We asked him to do his laundry and clean the windows.  He took my laundry in the dryer and threw it on the floor and said he didn't know how to turn the knob on the Windex to ON.  REALLY?!?!?   No consequences... nothing happened.  Then he cried and said I attack him and blame him for everything.   VICTIM... all the time

 

TrueNorth77's picture

OMG, If my SS12 said that to me (rolled his eyes and ask why I needed to park in the garage) I would probably lose my sh*t on him. He would for sure hear that he's not going to talk to me that way. What a brat!

My SO was similar to yours. Didn't like to enforce rules, got cranky when I tell him he needs to get on skids about certain things and then wouldn't talk to me for a day or so (this still happens sometimes). Then he would change his mind and decide to go along with what I said after all.  Luckily, he is pretty good and yells at skids, mostly has them clean up after themselves, doesn't let them get away with being sassy (although we're lucky, they don't really talk back). Things have gotten much better and he has changed things that I recommended, but it took us a few years. I hope counseling works for you, because if things hadn't changed for us, I would probably be gone.

Momof2sons's picture

Oh my, we really must have twins seprated at birth! My SS just  came home yesterday from BM's weekend. Didn't say hi or mumble anything at all went right to the TV and phone. I then took my shower cleaned up our kitchen. He's supposed to be in bed by 9, he hadn't even showered. I went in and told him he needed to shower and he slammed the door and said "You need to shower" when I told DH he was furious as well but then the wonderful phrase "well she's not my mom". I told my husband that I wasn't going to tolerate this disrespect so he helped me to into my SS's room and we "cleaned out" every item that I had ever bought him. Bedding, clothes, toys etc. Normally we push for a 15 minute shower but last night we didn't care. We literally walked everything out in garbage bags down to our storage unit. When he came into the room and saw it was pretty much empty his dad explained that we've had enough and that tonight he will be losing all items his dad has bought him (that isn't necessary). My SS freaked out and told DH you are choosing her over me he did the whole drama queen. Finally my DH cried and said no, I am choosing her way of raising kids over the way I have raised you. In 9 years this was the biggest moment for my DH. I know it was tough but he has to step up. I have my 2 son's and if they EVER thought that they could speak to my DH like that, I would flip out on them. Respect is so huge. I did get a text from my DH on my lunch that my SS was crying before school saying he was sorry and he doesn't feel that way. My DH said that he told him he always say's I'm sorry and it doesn't mean anything that his actions are going to speak. Well I guess he flipped off my DH on his way out of the truck and my DH cleaned his room some more. He just got home from school and realized that he has only clothes, a bed (with his old bedding) and DH made him a "shower bag". DH said that SS was demonstrating some of his "violence" and my DH told him that this is why he lost everything.  I don't think therapy will come soon enough but I am kind of happy that this is happening for the sake of my DH. He needs to be respected just as much as I do. 

SRS1980's picture

Holy Jesus!  That's a statement if I've ever heard one!  I'm so happy he stepped up to the plate for YOU.  It must be very hard for them to separate feelings of guilt and allowance from disrepect.   That's what I'm gathering at least.  Hopefully you'll get to therapy too.  We are going at 2pm tomorrow.  I'm looking forward to it but dredding it too.  My SO is not happy with me at all.  He knows where I stand with it.  We shall see.  Good luck Mama!  Let's keep in touch Smile