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step momma's picture

I am new to this website and wanted to know if anyone knows what child support pays for. I live in CA and a step mother. My husbands ex told us that she is having my step daughter try out for cheerleading and our half of the cost is around $500.00. The child support he pays is about $500 per month now. Do most child support agreements include food/shelter? And do we have to pay the extra money?

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Rags's picture

Ostensibly CS is for the direct support of the child. In reality there is no requirement by the courts that the CP spend it directly on the kid and there is no accounting required on how CS is spent by the CP.

CS is for food, shelter, clothing, transportation, extra curriculars, etc, etc, etc.... unless otherwise stipulated in the CO.

Other than CS the only other support requirement that the CO requires from my SS's SpermIdiot is that he pay half of visitation travel expenses and half of any medical costs not covered by insurance.

We attempted to get the DipShit to pay for half of our kid's trumpet and music lessons and karate but the judge was very clear. CS covers the NCPs portion of all kid related support including extracurriculars.

Unless it is specifically stipulated in your Skids Custody/Visitation/Support order that your DH covers half of all kid activities in addition to CS then CS is all he owes. His CS is his participation on the cost of your SD's cheerleading.

I would send BM the message that it is her responsibility to manage CS in order to provide for your SD adn also give SD clarity that her father has already given BM the money for cheerleading. He does that with his CS checks.

Anon2009's picture

What does the court order say? If it doesn't say anything about extracurricular activities, don't give her the money for this activity. Tell her to take it out of cs.

If you don't have a court order, get one and don't leave any stone unturned in it. Make sure it covers everything from paying for extracurricular activities and medical right down to who will do the driving to exchange the kids.

I'm in Santa Barbara. Please let me know if I can help.

Auteur's picture

it depends on your state's rules. Here in NY, there is a set percentage of the NCP's gross income and then they tack on extracurricular stuff, out of pocket stuff etc. In reality they can go back with all the receipts and demand to the courts that you pay half. You live in one of the UN-friendly NCP biodad states so you'll probably end up paying for it. The CP parent is *supposed* to consent with the NCP parent before making decisions in NY, but that rarely happens and is rarely enforced. In my case it NEVER happens. The BM does what she wants and tells GG about it afterwards by presenting him with a bill. Lately, (knock on wood) she had not contacted us because the three skids have PASed out but it's only a matter of time, even though GG is paying for daycare via CS that she hasn't used in over 3 years now.

sonja's picture

"Child support is to maintain the standard of living the child would have enjoyed if the parents were married and living together."

I very much agree with this, but sadly, a lot of BMs create this new lifestyle for themselves and the kids off of CS support. My fdhs original support at 600/mo was just disgusting (we're in GA). At the time of the divorce, both parents were unemployed and living with their parents.

With BM still living off of others (she moved into a BF's house after her moms), and working only 1-2 days a week, and FDH is once again unemployed and living with me, what kind of standard of living are we really trying to compete with here?

Sorry I just had to comment on this.

novemberm's picture

Here...it is cigarettes, fast food, and lottery tickets....but CS is OVER in 3 months! (paying for an 18 year/almost 19 old who needs to graduate high school).

Rags's picture

My SS's SpermIdiot paid $110/mo for a year, $130/mo for 9 years and $380/mo for 7 years. Pretty much not enough to make a damned bit of difference for my Skid.

At most his CS represented less than 1% of our monthly income. So in our case CS did not ever amount to crap other than my SS never having to hear that his SpermIdiot did not care enough about him to pay support. The truth is that the SpermIdiot really did not give a shit about my SS enough to pay a dime... ever. SpermGrandMa paid her idiot son's CS obligation to my SS.

My SS, now 19, knows it too and things his SpermIdiot is a dirt bag. Not because my wife or I ever badmouthed the SpermIdiot or SpermClan but because the child I raised as my own has never been lied to by his mom or I. When the SpermIdiot or any member of the SpemrClan loaded him up with vitriolic crap we countered with facts. He eventually learned that most of the facts were available in our office Custody/Visitation/Support file cabinet drawer. He saw the subpoenaed information showing that SPermGrandMa paid CS for him, etc, etc, etc....

Though my skid never got crap from his idiot SpermDad other than the shallow and polluted end of his gene pool I can readily recognize that NCP BioDads generally get screwed by the system.

In the event that your BM loads SD up with a load of crap thad "dad did not help with your cheerleading" your DH needs to have the answer front, center and readily communicated that he pays a large amount of money every month and participates in paying for everything his daughter needs or does.

$500/mo totals up pretty quickly and he will be able to show that he has given BM far more than the $1000 that cheerleading costs. It is the CP's responsiblity to manage their household income ot provide for the kids. The NCP has no control over how the CP spends CS.

I would put this back on the CP by sticking with the facts.

Good luck.

sonja's picture

I very much agree that 500 is a lot of money. I also understand how things are different, VERY different when you are on the receiving end, whereas most of the time what you get is NEVER enough, and youll always want/'need' more. We are on the giving end and EVERY month if that money stayed in our household we would definitely be able to have a much different lifestyle.

I also know that BM would not have a new car, or new clothes or go to concerts etc.. if she was not on the receiving end.

I know there are lots of families out there that dont get the CS they need, and many dads that cant give the CS that is ordered.

herewegoagain's picture

ok, 380USD a month, plus your wife should contribute at least the same 380, is 760USD a month...wether that is 1% of your income or not, is really irrelevant...if you can't support a kid on 760USD a month, there is a big problem. Now if you want to give them every darn thing that is out there, that's not the BFs problem either.

Rags's picture

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Rags's picture

With the exception of a few years following my Skid's birth my wife was always assigned the higher portion of the Income Shares distribution. She progressed from being a single teen mom stautory rape victim (16 when SS was born, SpermIdiot was 22)to a BS with honors, an MBA with honors and ultimately a CPA.

The SpermIdiot was and is an intermitently voluntarily employed plumber with 4 oowl spawn by three different baby mamas. My SS is his oldest.

More importantly is to note that the SpermIdiot never payed a dime in CS on my SS. His parents did it for him. They also paid the CS on SpermIdiot spawn #2 and raised #3&#4 in their home with no support from their worthless POS son while he lived rent free in a property that they own. Ultimately they also had spawn #2 in their home when baby mama #2 dumped the kid for her new husband to squeeze out a few more spawn.

Also keep in mind that for 11yrs CS was between $110/mo and $130/mo. $380 happened only for the last 7yrs. It took a while to nail his ass in court for that. He kept physically running from the process servers and only showed up when we got the court to impart CS at $800/mo since he failed to show. We provided his employment information and the average wage of a licensed plumber in the SpermIdiots county of residence and the court set CS at $800/mo and invoked direct payroll withholding. He came screaming in to court when his bringhome went to nearly $Zero. }:) Once he actually showed up in court his CS was reduced to the $380.

If you look at the department of agriculture cost to raise a child from birth to 18 figures $760/mo does not come lose to the monthly cost to raise a kid in our income bracket. It is actually ~$400/mo short of what it costs to raise a kid on a monthly basis.

For our income bracket the cost to raise a kid to age 18 is ~$250,000.00. The total CS paid by the SpermClan on my SS (remember SpermIdiot paid nothing) was less than 20% of the cost to raise a child to age 18. If you break the total cost to raise a child to age 18 in to monthly installments it is ~$1157/mo. So even if the SpermIdiots CS had been $380 the whole time he would have come in at less than 1/3 of the cost to raise the kid on a monthly basis.

We gave or son far more than the SpermClan could have. We raised him to be accountable for his actions and to understand that good things come to those that earn them. At 19 he is far more successful than his SpermIdiot will ever be and will ultimately be far more successful than all previouse members of the SpermClan combined. However, we did not give him every darn thing. We provided the best possible educational opportunities that our resources would allow, he had quality clothing, good food, safe neighborhoods, safe transportation, etc, etc, etc... Nothing more than any parent should provide for their child.

Considering the total CS paid for my SS is slightly less than $49,000 over 18yrs my wife was ultimately responsible for more than $201,000 of the cost to raise my SS. With my extremely willing help.

He is now completely self supporting and going to college on his own resources. Something no one the SpermClan has ever even attempted much less accomplished. The self supporting part is far more than his SpermIdiot has accomplished in his 42+ worthless years of existance.

In any given situation much money Vs. not much money is relative I suppose. To a very low income single mom $110/mo is probably notable. To others it is not notable. The same applies to $380 or any amount for that matter.

Best regards,

Rags's picture

CS of $380/mo is still nearly $200/mo less than half of the USDA figures. But, I suppose having CS set at most of half the cost is better than nothing.

But, he did not pay it. His mommy did.

As for your XH's $60K+ in arrearages..... :jawdrop: :sick:

Make damned sure you never waive that obligation. I would keep his ass nailed to the wall for the rest of his life until he pays it. In fact I would go back to court periodically to get penalties and interest rolled in just to remind him how much of a POS he is and that you are there waiting and will never let him off of the hook.

I am a nice guy that way. Wink

Fortunately for us my SS aged out from under the CO 19mos ago. We have had absolutly ZERO contact with the SpermClan since. Even my SS has not received a single call from an adult member of the SpermCLan. His three younger half sibs call him occassionally and he calls them but the SpermIdiot and PITA SpermGrandMa have not called him once since he returned home from his final CO'd visitation. SpermGrandMa used to call my wife to start a battle about 3X a year when it was time to make visitation travel arrangements. Funny how she would harrass my wife about more time, lower CS, etc... and now does not give a crap enough about my Skid to even call the kid.

Gotta love toxic dipshits.

Best regards,