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What is normal?....... Is this normal?

Wifi's picture

How much communication takes place between your H and his EX in reference to the kids?
Emails a day? Phone calls a day? If No emergencies are happening- No one is bleeding- No threat of something bad getting ready to happen to the kids. Just your everyday stuff-

"did you get the grades- well here they are-...etc...."
"are you taking J to her lesson today?....etc......"
"How did H do on his test?....Could you remind J about...."
"Take E's phone away b/c....."
"Are you going to......Will you tell him....."
"I think we should........"

Sometimes it is 10 times a day- Some days it is a couple but DAMN!!!!! Does not the legal document say 50/50 joint custody????? Are we calling you or giving you advice on your time?????

And then there are my favorites......

"Please do not co-copy your wife on emails that I send to you. This is between you and I"

"It is very disrespectful to our relationship as parents for you to co-copy your wife on the emails that have to do with our kids."

"I think you and I need to go to family counseling together with the kids. Just you and I and the kids no one else."

Did I mention I am married to my Husband and that his Ex-wife has also remarried?(ha) Oh and that they (my H and the ex) can not stand one another. They will do wonderfully in front of the kids and that is about it.

Your thoughts would be so welcomed. Because I think this is way too much. And I think it needs to stop.
What are everyone else's experience?

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English's picture

My ex and I have a pretty amicable relationship. We email eachother pertaining to the our children (maybe once a week) and have a phone conversation about once a month but that is it. It's very matter of fact/all business. I'll tell you what though, his HO girlfriend called me at work ONE time to ask what shoe sizes my kids were and I told him, "Please tell her NEVER to call me at work unless there is an emergency pertaining to MY children."

My DH can NOT have a civil conversation with his Ex without one or the other hanging up. It's ridiculous and they never get anything accomplished. Their child knows that neither one knows what's going on and she pits them against eachother every chance she gets.

However, in your situation, the communication sounds a little excessive between them and if you're being relied upon to help enforce their decisions, why shouldn't you be copied on emails especially if it involves picking someone up or someone's not supposed to be on their cellphone or something. DH sounds like he's just saving time copying you so he doesn't have to remember the 45 things he's been assigned to do by BM. Maybe at some point he will get sick of it and act like a big boy and tell her it's getting a little excessive and that she should trust his judgement....either that or maybe she could make a one-time list once a week and send it to him.

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Hanny's picture

calls it 'emotional enmeshment' when they communicate too often. Many times, which could have been done with one phone call or e-mail. And yes, they can hate each other and still have emotional enmeshment. And she also says when the kids are old enough, usually teenagers, some of this communication can be done through them. Not putting them in the middle, but you can find out what your kid is doing through them a lot of the time and not have to go through ex.

TheSaneOne's picture

What does that mean? My BB will call and text 24-7 for stuff that isn't even her business and write that she looks forward to seeing him to drop off the kids, etc. She is getting divorced again (3 month marriage) and now, its started all over. How do you stop it? He flat out tell hers to quit emailing him about everything under the sun. He can't discipline the kids for her when she lives three states away nor does he need to be awoken at 5 in the morning to be told the youngest has a fever.

Hanny's picture

that they still have emotional attachment. That because they were once married, and now divorced, they still have an emotional attachment to each other, one that is not needed to coparent the kids. One or the other and in some instances both, just want to hang on to the attachment and won't let it go so uses every excuse in the book to call the other one. Most of the time it's the bio mom that keeps the attachment, but then the bio dad usually enjoys the attention and won't stop it. I'm not sure what more your DH can do if you think he's done his best to get her to stop. Maybe if he tells her one final time not to e-mail if it is not important and about the kids and if this doesn't work he can tell her that you will now be reading all e-mails from her and if it is not important and about the kids you will be deleting them because he doesn't want to read them. I don't know he could try it. My old BF wouldn't do that because he thinks he needs to talk to her, that his only real insight about what his kids are doing...so is afraid she won't tell him the important things so he listens to everything. But yet, again they have 'emotional enmeshment'...she still controls him.

Hanny

Dawn-Moderator's picture

My Dh calls Bm only when he has too. Ss is old enough to take care of some of the conversations with Bm. Now if we could just get Bm to take care of some things on her own or have ss call. When ss is there for the weekend, Bm calls us all weekend long. Some of the things like homework questions, etc. I think that ss should be able to call his dad and ask.

Dawn

Colorado Girl's picture

because I talk to my ex maybe on average once a week. BUT that is because I take care of everything when it comes to their day to day life and he has very little involvement. (Only because he works nights and is sleeping when the rest of us are functioning) Usually our conversations last two minutes and actually we have resorted to texting the matters that don't even require talking.

But then on the other side my husband's ex will call ten times a day if you allow her. Now, I wouldn't think that much of it if she wasn't a codependent, pyscho starving for attention. It's a crap shoot for DH to know what sort of mood she's in. Sometimes she'll call to discuss a meaningful matter or it will to be just to scream.

My advice. Tell DH you are sick of her calling all the time. Then with a roll of your eyes, walk out of the room when she calls. My DH started letting the phone go to voicemail everytime the phone rings when I'm sitting there. If he wants to deal with her antics, he can do it on his own time not on mine. She stopped even calling him at night when I'm there because she knows he won't pick up the phone. It has helped tremendously. Out of sight out of mind for me.

"Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass...It's about learning to dance in the rain."

Seasons's picture

my DB would talk with his ex almost on a daily basis she would do the same things just like you explained Wifi. It was just getting ridiculous and I brought it to his attention... I agree about the emotional enmeshment... This is tough surviorship!!! All in the name of LOVE!!! We must be crazy about these men!! I know I am I keep telling myself, "Pick your battles and this is all temporary" I know the kids didn't choose this so I try to be patient with them but, I have no patients for the BM I can't believe what a greedy person she is... I know that my ex H has the BEST ex W that there is I never harrass him or call him more than once maybe every six months... I know that as the kids get older it gets better. I agree with co parenting and try to have an open mind but, when that relationship seems like it is just continuing on that is when it hurts me. I usually let him know exactly how I feel we do have really good communication in our relationship...

workinonit's picture

My husband almost never has any contact with his ex. No phone calls, no email, nothing. If they even see each other once or twice a year that's a lot. Only the kids (teenagers) deal with her and that is actually only once in awhile. When the kids were younger of course it was more but as the kids get older there is less of a need.

Dawn-Moderator's picture

Oh, I so hope you're right about that!

Dawn

Sita Tara's picture

I talk to my exH or his wife several times a week. Sometimes just to shoot the breeze. We do not have emotional enmeshment. I could just as easily talk to the boys' SM as my exH. We have all become friends. I think the disturbing part is your H's ex writing that you should not be included. I felt this way VERY early on while still getting used to parenting apart. Occasionally my sons' SM calls me upset with something exH and I agreed on (that's tough for me, but I respond calmly because we have such a strong relationship established.)

Now my SD's BM? They talk once a week at MOST. Because BM hates us. She has refused to cooperate with us or be civil with us. So DH calls her as little as possible. Interestingly, we tried once a week communication when they had 50/50 to discuss important issues with SD. BM hated that as well. She thought everything should go through SD. I happen to think that led to a lot of selective sharing and manipulation on SD's part. If she didn't wish to share something negative (a bad grade or detention) she would take it to her mom to sign and beg her not to share it with DH b/c "He's so mean". In other words b/c there would be consequences for getting in trouble at school here and there aren't there.

I think your communication sounds excessive for the relationship they have now. If you were all friends then it would be different. But you're not. It's obvious BM doesn't think you have any part in raising her kids. Neither did my SD's BM which is funny b/c I do most of the parenting being a stay at home mom.

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TheSaneOne's picture

He made the ex email us only on out joint account, that she knows is joint, she wont adress them to me and will still email DH at his work addy but he wont respond unless she sends it to the joint act. This cuts back on her telling him she still thinks they will be back together, that i am the only thing standing in her way - this from a woman who through him to the curve for another man - a highschool sweetheart - and took his kids - oh and two weeks later had the BF with her to meet DH to get his girls. He thought they were still working things out but god forbid if I even answer the phone, she refuses to speak. I have now just started saying - i guess your connection is bad, if you can't respect me enough to have the decenc to speak - i am hanging up. She said it wasn't fair - it hurts her to see or hear my voice -

HotyoungSTMOM's picture

Hi, new here! My DH ex did this for several years after their divorce. And I agree with some of the other posters, it was emotional attachment on her part. She would call him at work, all hours of the day and night, all the time. Finally DH had to tell her to stop and when she did not, he just stopped answering her calls and let her leave voicemails. He never gave her his email so that was never an issue. If he felt it was important enough to deserve a return call, he would. However, 99.9% of the time, they got deleted without a second though. These women believe that just because they just so happen to be "the mother of their children" they deserve special treatment. Once the marriage is over, it is over and there is a reason why it ended. There does need to be communication for the sake of coparenting the children. But there is a line and sometimes DH has to clearly draw that line in the sand for them. I do not beleive it is your place to do it. Your hated enough already. Don't add more drama when it is not necessary. Good luck!

LVmyBOXERS's picture

Hi, new here! My DH ex did this for several years after their divorce. I agree with some of the other posters; it was certainly emotional attachment on her part. She would call him at work, all hours of the day and night, all the time. DH asked her to stop and when she did not, he stopped answering her calls so she would have to leave voicemails. He never gave her his email so that was never an issue. If he felt the call deserved a return call, he would. But 99.9% of the time, they got deleted without a second thought. These women believe they deserve special treatment because they just so happen the be "the mother of their children." Once the marriage is over, it is over and there is a reason why it ended. Now, communication is neccessary for coparenting the children. However, there is a line and sometimes DH has to draw that line in the sand for them. I do not believe you should be the one to do this. You are hated enough as it is. Do not add any uneccessary drama. Good Luck!

Wifi's picture

Thanks for the feedback!

This will have to change, One way or another. It is just too much. My instincts tell me it not normal, that it is just over the top! I just wanted to hear what everyone else is going through.....

I told him last night that we are going to have to see someone about this if he does not let her know that this is unacceptable. And that he has got to set strong boundaries (and keep them consistant), When it comes to their communication tactics. He took what I said very seriously and hopefully we will talk more about it after tomorrows festivities.

Happy Thanksgiving everybody!!!!!!

Wifi

Anonymous's picture

My DH talks to his ex one to two times a day. He tells me it is to discuss his daughter, but it is so frustrating. When we where on our honeymoon, he called his daughter every day....fine....but does he really need to talk to the ex everytime. Do I have to listen to him tell her what we've done. She thinks they are still friends and it bugs the sh** out of me. She asks him for favors that I believe are stepping over any normal boundaries, like to plow her driveway, to let her dog out and in when she goes away, stupid things that she had a new husband for. Now she is getting divorced again and I just know that the requests are going to come more often now. He says they won't, but I know they will. She doesn't understand what being divorced really means. The first year I was with DH, (it was his year to have his daughter overnight on Christmas) and she asked to come over on Christmas morning to watch her open presents. Like I want to spend my first Christmas with this man, along side his ex. Why does this whole thing have to be sooooo hard??

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TheOtherMom's picture

Wow. Not to CC you? THAT IS DISRESPECTFUL TO YOUR PLACE AS HIS WIFE!!!
I have to wonder about the Golden Rule here "Do unto others" lady. She wouldn't like it if she were in your shoes.