Dealing with the "Moooooommmmmmyyyyyy" cry after skid is punished by the evil stepmom...
Yesterday I picked up the kids from daycare. She told me SS3 had had 2 time outs that afternoon, the most he's had in awhile. Didn't surprise me because we suspected the skids had been at BM's mom's house all weekend, and every time they spend time with her they have the BIGGEST attitude problems.
So we get home and it was going to be about 3 more hours before FDH would be home from work. It's me, my baby, SS3 and SD5. To try to keep the story short and not describe every single indescretion, SS3 basically would not listen to anything I said. I even would say, "SS, stop. Listen." I'd wait for him to look at me and then I'd tell him the direction -- like, "I want you to play closer to the house, not so close to the street because it's dangerous" and the next second, he was playing by the street.
He got a time out. Same scenario with different things happened 2 more times before dinner. Finally, the kids were eating dinner and they sat at the table to draw and life seemed good. We had a blissfull half hour.
Then SS went to our entryway and started hanging on our brand new screen door (which he'd already been yelled at not to do multiple times last night). I told him one more time not to do it, and I turned away, then turned back and he was doing it again. I gave him a final time out and told him he'd sit there until his dad got home (20 minutes). While in time out, he started messing around, playing and talking. I said, "You know that time outs are quiet time. If I hear you again you will go right to bed." He said Ok. Then 20 seconds later he was messing around. I promptly took him to his room, handed him his pajamas, and the whole time he was almost half-smiling about it. I knew he thought I wasn't going to go through with it. Then I tucked him into bed and he started crying once I turned the lights off.
Then the "Moommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmy" sobs started...the boiling pissed part of me thought I should be mean and say something like, Does it look like your mom is here? NOPE! but I didn't... how do any of you handle this? I guess it worked becuase he stopped. But it made me feel like such an evil stepmom that he was crying for her.
I was boiling mad when FDH finally got home because I could just tell he was kind of mad at how harsh I seemed. I told him that if he goes into the room and plays nice guy with his son that I would be SO mad at him for not backing me up. He said something like, "Why would I do that?" and I said, "Because I'm sure you feel like you weren't here to see how he was and I'm sure you feel I'm being too harsh on him." And he didn't respond.
A half hour later, FDH was in SS's room laying down with him and consoling him/"talking" to him. When he came back upstairs he was sad. I asked what they talked about and FDH said that he feels bad for him. He said that he feels like he acts out becuase he's so frustrated going back and forth between homes and that if we punish him for acting that way it's going to make it worse.
I told him that he can't guilty parent! SS has to have consequences for his behavior, he obviously doesn't take time outs seriously anymore and so we have to up the ante and start taking away more priveledges or toys. FDH said, "Well I don't get to see him now until Friday and he's going to spend the whole time I'm home the ONE night we have him this week with him in his room? I don't even get to spend time with my son?"
Ugh...FDH ended up being "pretty" good about not giving in to SS but he did go in later and read him a book for bedtime...which isn't the end of the world or anything. I could just tell he was sort of mad at me though.
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"He said that he feels like
"He said that he feels like he acts out becuase he's so frustrated going back and forth between homes"
And the manipulation begins. SS is already playing the poor, pooooooooooor, pitiful COD card (child of divorce) and DH is eating it up like a good guilty daddy should.
DH needs to take his head out of it's dark and unsanitary place!!!
Good for you to call him on his non-parenting by guilt!!
I seriously have to thank
I seriously have to thank this site and its members for making me recognize guilty parenting. FDH usually doesn't fall pray to this but I've started ot recognize when he does.
But I worry that I just look sort of evil in their eyes...because I'm not feeling the guilty parent, too. I am the one NOT feeling bad for the kid that he has to sit in his room all night.
Thanks for the support If
Thanks for the support If SS wouldn't have made it seem like he didn't care about his time outs it probalby never would have culminated in him going to bed at 7pm. But the fact that he very obviously didn't care made me realize he either cannot hear (B) does not understand language or (C) needs harsher/more consistent punishment for his behaviors to make sure he doesn't do it again. Seriously wondering about (B) though.
I like your point about it
I like your point about it not being for the parent, it's for the kid's gain...and also about why is his kid so special needs that he can't cope with a situation that most kids do?
I'm middle of the road on
I'm middle of the road on this one. I do agree that GPing is bad and that your DH should have backed you up 100% to show a united front, and then spoke to you later about ways he feels his son should be punished that are more age appropriate. You did say this child was 3 correct? 20 minute time outs are extremely excessive for a 3 year old, and a 3 year old will cry for their mom and/or dad when upset and this should be exspected and understood. Time outs have to be done properly to be effective. When my SD5 was 3 time outs consisted of 3 minutes in an area set away from everyone and everything else. I put her in the middle of a flight of steps. She was to short to see the top and she could reach nothing at the bottom. Noone was to speak to her or go to her during the time. She would usually softly cry during time outs. Once the three minutes were up I would go to her and tell her again why I had put her in time out and ask her if she understood. Once she said yes I would make her apologize for her infraction. Once she apologized I would hug her and give her a kiss and tell her that I love her. I had two do this multiple times on a few occassions....but eventually just the one warning pre-time out did the trick because she KNEW 100% that I was serious. With time outs it is all about technique.
If time outs, done properly, truly dont work then the loss of a favorite toy or priveledge is a great 2nd option.
I really think excessively long time outs and so much time lying in bed just to cry at age 3 is over doing it though...at that age at least.
This is what we do with time
This is what we do with time outs also -- and all 4 time outs before the final one were 3 minutes. He's almost 4. And he ended up in that final time out for only 2 minutes because he was messing around twice which led to going to his room/bed...so yes, I know that a 20 minute time out is not right but I was not about to let him sit there for 20 minutes if he had treated the timeout like he was supposed to. I know that at BM's house she gives time outs but doesn't make them sit quietly -- she lets them have a toy and they can talk/sing/play while they sit there.
Agree with
Agree with MamaBecky...timeouts can be so beneficial when done right and the general rule is the number of minutes is the same as the child's age. So for SD5 = 5minutes and for SS3 = 3 minutes. If child gets up or talks out during timeout, start over but let the child know their time is starting over and why.
After the child has successfully sat out for the timeout, parent tells child why they had a time out and then ask child to repeat back to parent why they were on timeout.
Crying for mommy when
Crying for mommy when genuinely distressed isn't so bad for me because I think all kids do that no matter what. FSD3 does it usually when she wakes up for a nightmare before she remembers she's at Dad's house -- then she amends the call for her father. Heck even adults have been known to cry "Mama" when in extreme pain or terror (e.g. car wrecks, labor, surgery, etc.).
It's when Skids cry for mommy TO you WHILE you're punishing them that it gets ugly. If FSD3 does that when she's in trouble (like, "Go take a timeout."/"I want Mommy!"), she gets a second timeout for bullying. Because we've told her it's rude to repeat things that hurt people's feelings and it hurts our feelings when she says wants mommy instead of us. I do worry that this messes with her head a bit because maybe she doesn't have the wherewithal to distinguish between saying, "I want my mommy," when scared or sick versus saying "I want Mommy," because she doesn't want to deal with the consequences of bad behavior. But we never give her timeouts for the former, so maybe she gets it...?
Good point...I'm sure the
Good point...I'm sure the Mommy thing isn't always a manipulation thing, it's just a natural thing for him to do.