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Text Messaging. How is my conduct? ..Opinions please (warning this could be a bit of a rant)

GizmoBarnOwl's picture

I am putting up the text messages that were exchanged over xmas between me and the BM. The main reason i'm putting them up is because she infuriated me with the way she spoke to me, and there is nobody "offical" that I can show them to, to be able to say "look what I have to put up with!". Also I would appreciate unbiased opinions on my conduct toward her.

The back story is that she had told my partner that she had blocked him by email and would only have contact re children via text. Then keeps calling my OH complaining and shouting random abuse down the phone at him, but if he tried to call her about anything, rather than text, she would say he was harrassing her!! Then my OH's phone got stolen and she still refused to have email contact, she (quite resonabley)asked him for an emergency contact number while his work were getting a new phone for him which they took their time in replacing. He gave her my number and got a cheap temp mobile for himself to use for work / me.

She was not given the temp number and my OH asked me to text her a few times around the holidays to see if he could get the kids a bit earlier (as she said he could over the hols & the children were getting upset because she had cut his time with them several times and messed them around too often and regularly threatening my skids with not seeing daddy again if they are naughty)

anyway all the contact ive ever had with the woman is as follows, make up your own minds about what you think :

Weds 14/12/11
Me : Hi (he) asked me to text you to say that he would pick the kids up at 10am this saturday as they were asking to spend more time with him yesterday.

Reply : (He) needs to contact me

Me : He has no phone. I believe he explained this to you. He asked me to text you, which I have done.

Me : Ok, just messaged him on facebook to ask him to email you. He says you blocked him so he cant. Is there a way to unblock him so he can contact you directly? I dont wish to be stuck in the middle sending messages. Or you could just let me know if 10am on sat is convenient and it will be sorted.

Reply : I will reply this once, no they r doing something

Me : Thank you.

21/12/11 (the following weds)
Me : Hi. I hope you are well? (He) has asked me to conntact you again regarding saturday. He would like to have the children from 10am as he would like to spend more time with them on christmas weekend.

Reply : One thirty

27/12/11
Me : Hi I hope you and the children have had a lovely christmas. Please thank the children for my daughters gift. It was very kind. (He) asked me to ask you if he can pick the kids up around 3 today? Regards (Me)

Reply : Whoppee do, two extra hrs over the two week holiday! How odd I get last minute requests all the time when there is a greater possibility that something has been booked in already, how odd even after 18 months.

Me : With all due respect, the previous two requests were both given several days in advance and both times you refused with no adequate explaination and one of those was before the holidays. Also you seem unwilling to make verbal arrangements or infact communicate at all. I would appreciate, as I now seem to be the only point of contact, if you would refrain from sending sarcastic messages.

Reply : I dont know who you think u are talking to but i dont have to explain sweet fanny adams to u or the jock, especially someone who puts chickens in the kids room and they shit everywhere oh my god how disgusting. I have asked you not to contact me and u have ignored my request, maybe mediation is pointless, if you contact me again I will call the police, its not an empty threat ask (him).

*NB The jock is refering to him being scottish, The chickens we had incubated some eggs and I took pics of her kids holding the day old chicks in my daughters room and gave the skids copies of said pics, she got angry because it made the kids happy (which ofcourse they arent allowed to be when with dad) and re police, during their marriage she attacked him, and he had to restrain her which caused bruising on her arms. She called the police and has accused him of domestic violence and also child abuse of their daughter (as in beating her, not sexual). I have seen the police report and it says that she attacked him, which she admitted to the police officer. It also states that both children were asleep in their beds at the time.

Me : The pets I choose to keep are not your concern. I dont know why you feel the need to be abusive to me. I have been nothing but accomodating to you even when you have been nothing but rude. Also at no point have you asked me not to contact you and it is only ever on (his) behalf with regards to the children when I have needed to. Please do contact the police they would be very interested to see how rude, judgemental and difficult you are being. Now will you please answer the original question, which was can (he) pick the kids up at 3pm, in a polite, civil, non threatening manor. Thank you.

Reply : I have asked u twice not to contact me and as (he) has refused to provide a contact number then access will now stop

Me : If you re-read our correspondance you will find you had never asked me not to contact you. 2nd to that, you are sending me abusive text messages. He gave you this number as a contact for him. I fail to see how you can claim he has not given you a contact number. I would think that not allowing your children contact with their father based on the fact that you refuse to communicate appropriately would be very disruptive and emotionally damaging to the children you are meant to be caring for. Are you sure you want to do that to them?

* He went to collect the kids at his normal time of 5pm and she refused to let him see them. He also recorded her saying "didnt she tell you? No more access". He pleaded ignorance saying that he hadnt had the message.

28/12/11 11.25am
BM : If (he) wants to resume access to (the kids) he needs to get a phone and call me directly a.s.a.p

2.22pm
BM : Can you tell (him) he can of course see (the kids) as usual, it was a big mistake, hopefully mediation in a couple of weeks will help us to communicate in the best way for the children.

She also emailed him to say that I had driven her to ban him from the kids because I was texting her behind his back and that my behaviour was unacceptable and made her "very cross". He knew 100% what I was sending as for the most part he was with me at the time and I told him before replying to anything, what I had written. She obviously believed him when he had said he didnt know.

Anyway a few days after this, social services called her up because we had reported her to the NSPCC for child abuse after I had already been keeping a diary over the course of 2011 because the kids kept complaining of being beaten and the 4 (now 5) yr old was being especially picked on by his mother (he looks just like his dad funily enough) And the older daughter 7 (nearly 8 ) was loosing weight from stress!! My OH even took her to the drs to have her weighed etc they ofcourse did nothing to help. And told the school about our concerns in the hope that the children would confide in a teacher so that it took away the "us against her" scenario. Unfortunately, BM helps out at the school and we believe that she has told the school that dad is violent as they treat him with caution whenever he goes in there. They have been less than helpful and the kids dont dare say anything against their mother to people who know her incase they get into trouble.

However, she agreed (at mediation) after the kids went mental and lashed out at her for preventing them from seeing their dad and cutting their time in half with him, that they now get a whole day with him every other weekend. So far (now she knows that social services are on to her) she has calmed down. But this is the sort of thing we have had to put up with and I have been diagnosed with stress, I have developed a nervous twitch in my eyelid, and lost a stone in weight (not such a bad thing, not complaining about that!! ...still not healthy though)

Anyway rant over. If you got this far, Thanks for reading

Comments

Anon2009's picture

I think if at all possible, you should leave the communicating with BM up to DH. Is there some sort of way they could communicate via the mediator, or could the mediator recommend to them a company that could handle that? Sometimes communications in these situations are best handled through neutral third parties.

GizmoBarnOwl's picture

Oh I have nothing to do with it now. It was only while he was waiting for work to get him a phone. She actually got him a cheap phone to use as a personal line to her too, so I have nothing to do with her which is how I like it.

But I have been so affected by the way she behaves and has been treating the skids over the last year that I physically shake and cant control it even when just her name is mentioned. I dont know why I get like that. I wish I could snap out of it.

liks's picture

Look....I wasnt verbally abused like you were....I was just bloody annoyed at the way my BM was ringing at odd hours...late at night...early in the morning..etc etc...

My GF who is a social worker suggested that the bitch be told not to call again and instead...bc normal communication had failed, she was to write everything that was required into a book that the kids kept and went back and forth from house to house....

that way you can make requests, stipulations, re sport, moms b/day, vacations, lost clothes etc etc....

it works like a gem....everything is written in their and bc the kids keep it in their o/nite bags it stays fairly conservative....

GizmoBarnOwl's picture

The mediators suggested the same thing, they have a diary to use but since it all kicked off and social services got involved the BM has been civil so they havent needed to use it. My personal view is that they should get used to using it now anyway before it all breaks down again! I think its a fantastic idea!

Shayle.Armstrong26's picture

I seem to get the same... or close to it anyways. My husband and I share a phone.. she has the number because that's the only way we were able to communicate when we first took on full custody. She gave her to us because she no longer wanted her. She's the kind of psycho that finds hidden meanings in everything. If he responds with a simple text, she seems to think its him wanting to start a conversation... So, I pretend I'm him,text back, and she never knows the difference. If he texts he back, he runs it by me first to make sure I don't see any red flags that she might take as something else. My heart still drops when I see her name come across the phone... idk if thats something that will ever go away.

Kilgore SMom's picture

Wondering why when doing all that texting you didn't just let her think she was dealing with OH? A third party may be best for all contact. Some times its all about control. Our BM when speeking to DH use to always say "our son" this "our son" that. Finally one day DH told her "I know hes our son you don't have to say it every time." BM said "I just what her (meaning me) to know he is not her son." I call my ss son all the time. I don't care if BM likes it or not. Of course BM is MIA so I don't have to worry about her right now. Thank you Lord.

skylarksms's picture

I guess BM was worried that you MAY have forgotten upteen hours of labor and a BIRTH! Or the fact that you did NOT go through this when your SS was born!

What nutjobs.

GizmoBarnOwl's picture

Honestly? I thought it would be unfair to lie to her. Also I stupidly assumed that she might not be as nasty to me as she is to him. After all, who am I to her? *oh how Nieve I was!
Also, what is MIA?

3littlemonkeys's picture

Ugh, this is SO unneccessary.

Why, oh why, did SO not give BM the temp number???

I think you were pleasant enough to start out with, but that doesn't matter. She made it pretty clear she wanted to discuss it with him. HE made himself unavailable by phone/text. Really, all these requests were because he wanted extra time, so why not just text her from your phone even? Couldn't you just hand it to him??

GizmoBarnOwl's picture

Initially he asked me to text her while we were chatting online one night when he had no phone.
She had been calling him and being abusive before he lost his phone, so we thought that this might be an opportunity to put a stop to that, and force her to use email to communicate. She refused, and in one of the very first messages I gave her the choice, either unblock him to talk directly to him, or text through me.... She chose text.

snmom87's picture

I think you were incredibly controlled, I don't think I could have controlled my selection of vocabulary as well as you did.

Is there a custody order with a set time for pick up.... if not... you should definitely get one, he needs to try to get more time through the courts if she is going to be difficult about it.

She sounds like she is totally jealous and just wants to be controlling and difficult. I would stop communicating with her... and he needs to address how difficult she is making communication with him... perhaps in court... I know in family court they are big on communicating properly ... at least in my county they are.

SHe is being ridiculous... and she was totally out of line in attacking you about your personal life the way she did and being sarcastic.

IAmALady77's picture

Ugh I feel for you, our BM did the EXACT same thing to me, kept my cool, she says she asked me to stop contacting her even though she didnt. The only difference is she actually called the police, got an ex parte ppo on me and when I went to court to appeal it she LIED the entire time about how I sent her over 200 threatening text messages in ONE day. I couldnt prove her wrong even though I subpoened my phone records, the judge was a dick and wouldnt even look at them! So I've got a ppo on me for violent stalking now lol. Good luck with that! You handled yourself really well.

GizmoBarnOwl's picture

Thanks. Its all on my old phone, not sure how to get it onto disc but will if needed. My OH took it to mediation as she was saying that I had upset her etc but they said they didnt need to see it and just to wipe the slate clean from there. So frustrating. But am keeping it anyway because she will snap again, she cant keep up these false niceties for long and it will just be another lot of evidence to try to prove that she is infact a nut job.

They have set contact times, but she keeps messing with them, and wont let him have the kids over night. We want them written into the mediation contract which becomes legally binding so if she stops him from seeing them again, or tries to cut the time further he has more weight behind him to stop her.

When I first met him he had the kids 3 x a week, every Sat all day 9am -7.30pm, Mon 5 - 7.30 and weds 5 - 7.30. She would also regularly let him just pop over on the off chance to take them to the park for a few hours or she would ask him to babysit etc. Shes always been prone to fits of rage though and has been very controlling of him, and constantly wanting extra money other than the agreed amount he pays (which is over the legal amount he is meant to pay by £100!! as it is)

She even asked him to go on a long weekend caravan holiday as a family! Aswell as on day trips, which he refused and she later started blaming me for his refusals. He pointed out to her that the kids kept getting confused and asking when he was moving back in and day trips etc would only confuse them more. But she wouldnt have it, she thought I had told him to stay away from her!

Since she found out he had met somebody else she flipped her lid. Cut his time first by stopping weds access altogether, then halving sats to 12 - 7.30, then 1.30 - 7.30. he no longer babysits etc and the kids have really suffered for it.

Since these texts hes got them back all day every other saturday through mediation.

liks's picture

She is no church lady....she is just another hypercrite who is hoping she may get forgiveness for her weird thoughts and past, before its too late....the leppord cant change its spots....

GizmoBarnOwl's picture

I hate how two faced some of these BM's can be!! They put on a front to the rest of the world trying to make out that they are decent human beings when they just arent! BM is the local Brownie leader for her village and I admit that I have seriously contemplated calling the head office to inform them that she has been contacted by Social Services for allegations of child abuse. I know they have to take these complaints very seriously and would investigate her themselves. But I am going to save that one for a rainy day. Sometimes just having things up my sleave is enough. I really wanted to tell her that I know she beats her kids etc in those texts but I didnt want to give her the heads up that we were going to do something about it. It wouldnt have been helpful for the skids and they would have copped it for telling us in the first place. When the time comes for us to go for custody on the grounds that shes INSANE I will then make that call and close in the net to expose her for what she really is. In the mean time I just wait, and hear what the skids say and record it...

GizmoBarnOwl's picture

Ok, im going to be really ignorant now, as im a newbie... whats EOW?
And defo NOOOOOOOOO intention of having anything to do with this psycho BM EVER AGAIN! If she texts me again i'll just keep it on record with the others and not respond. I dont think she will though.

Frustrated New Wife's picture

Oh ok. I tried that, but it wouldn't show the date and time it was sent/received. Thanks for the info!!

GizmoBarnOwl's picture

Ah thanks..

I can send a text as an email on my phone, some can some cant (thats the technical explaination), but it sends it to my inbox as a message from me. So messages from BM will come up as if I wrote them to myself. GRR. There is a way to get them onto a computer and print off / save conversations & details. The police sometimes do it in harassment cases (or so I am told)