Ok, help
Sorry to be a blog hog.
I am going to drive myself crazy stewing about this lack of consequences for SS smashing his stupid phone. Lack of consequences in general is one of the biggest things my SO and I disagree about. My SO either yells or repeatedly talks to skids about the same issue, but never a consequence. SS doesn't learn when he is just "talked to". I am so frustrated, there are times I just want to say f*ck it, this is all too hard and I feel like I might go insane from watching my SO not discipline. I don't know why I can't just let it go.
I need to disengage from this before I lose my sh*t on a skid, or my SO. How do you not let this stuff drive you crazy? Has anyone been in a similar situation and successfully disengaged from this aspect of having skids? What's the trick?
I am about to lose my damn mind.
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Yep
We all eventually come to the conclusion that we MUST TOTALLY DISENGAGE to preserve our sanity and bring out guerilla defense tactics when necessary when the boundaries encroach our own. Oh, we all start out with aspirations of "helping" disney dad see the failings of his own wet noodle "parenting" but that never works out.
Daddy dearest simply turns on SM with ye old "you don't like my kid" or "why can't you ever comment on when Damien/Aileen W.does something right?" (which is NEVER due to bioparents competing to see who has the fewest amount of rules and the rose-coloured glasses) After all, Dadddeeee just wants to RELAX--parenting is HARD WORK!!
Here is the "talking to" scenario after he yells at Damien/Aileen W. to save face in front of SM:
Biodad: (syrupy sweet voice) "Now Damien/Aileen W, you know I don't like yelling at you so can you please do /don't do [insert request]. If it were just me, I wouldn't mind but MEAN OL' SM gets upset when you do/don't do [insert request]'
Damien/Aileen W: (unconvincingly) "OK Daaddeeee."
Biodad: "Great, now let's all just forget our troubles with a big bowl of strawberry ice cream!"
Get out of my house! LOL
Lawd if I've not seen this shit played out in my house. He'll "yell" at them with a smile on his face the whole time then tell me, "they know when I'm serious...."
Then 15 times later when he's repeated it .... they will go and do a half-ass job of it.
What is the hesitation on the
What is the hesitation on the SO for not having consequences? If it costs say $400 to replace the phone and you have shared finances....then how would he react if you were the one spending $400 on nonsense? You have every right to be annoyed. That's not life where you can break a high value item and they just magically reappear. I wish!
I really don't know. He just
I really don't know. He just says he "doesn't think it's necessary". He really believes his kids are just soo good, that all he has to do is yell at them or talk to them or give them "one last chance", and they won't do it again. He is delusional, because SS does the same thing again. We're not talking anything really bad, but still. My SO is kind of a hard ass sometimes and can tear skids a new one, so it always baffles me when he won't discipline.
We don't share finances, so I don't have a leg to stand on in this scenario. But I agree, you don't just instantly get a new high-dollar phone. My friends kids had to wait months when they broke their phones. It's more the principle of the matter- I completely disagree with how he's handling it...I'm not verbalizing it to him, so I'm seething inside instead. I know it will be a fight if I bring it up, and I just don't want to fight, so I need to let it go.
We've been together 6 years
We've been together 6 years and I still struggle with choosing which battles to pick. Certain things that involve our shared finances are absolutely on the table. Like that would make me crazy - cause I don't mind spending money on the kids, but I hate "wasteful" spending. But....if it materially doesn't affect you, this might be one of those scenarios where you have to ask yourself "Why should I care more than _____". And you shouldn't care more than they do about stuff that's going to bite them in the ass in the future. If you guys plan on getting serious, married and then sharing finances....then you'll need to be very clear about how that money gets spent. But if they grow up to be entitled kids turned entitled adults and at 24 are calling to ask daddy for a new phone and he gets them one, when they have jobs are are well able to do for themselves....that's his problem until that's also your money.
I have a problem with my stepson not valuing the resources provided to him in the house, but again, we share finances, so more money wasted, equals less money for me or my husband overall. And it is too the principle of the matter. My step kids do chores to earn things. My young step daughter will full on wash cars or the house and does a great job at it....when she wants some $ for slime supplies or whatever. But it's because my husband is the one to instill that in them. the sooner the kids learn that you can't get something for nothing, the easier (emotionally) their life will be. It's "easy" on them now cause they do get something for nothing....but having cell phones just appear for no other price other than a "talkin to" is just plain setting them up for failure.
I agree with your last
I agree with your last sentence for sure. And he didn't even get a talking-to about this- My SO just bought the replacement phone before SS even got back to our house and explained his side, then when SS came back by us my SO asked him what really happened...SS stuck with the story and told my SO he didn't have his phone case on at the time...the end. He didn't even yell at him for not having his case on, or remind him about taking care of expensive things. And now SS gets to use SD's phone at night, so there is literally no sense of hardship for this event. This is what I'm struggling with.
FLSM, if we ever get married, we definitely won't share finances. I absolutely love having separate finances! Especially when skids are involved- if it was my money too, I can't imagine the things we'd fight about. I hate wasteful spending too, and my SO is the king of it. He will buy himself and skids fast food 3 times a week- not even McD's, he goes for the most expensive fast-food place that has butter-burgers and runs $10/person. It's crazy. We aren't rich, and we have coupons for BK! GAH!
Ok, back to disengaging. lol.
Omg yes. Every couples'
Omg yes. Every couples' finances are their own business, but from what you're saying, it sounds like you and your SO have significantly different value systems when it comes to this sort of stuff, so separate finances might definitely work best to avoid constantly fighting. I have no problem if someone wants to blow money....as long as they work hard and it's their own money....and aren't blowing someone else's money. Who am I to judge what someone does with their money. When it comes to the kids' though...he should be teaching them better lessons about not just their own consequences...but there are consequences in life, in general.
So basically he's all bark
So basically he's all bark and no bite. That's the perfect recipe to manipulate and take advantage of a parent and situation.
Bingo.
Bingo.
Obsessive thoughts
I don't know why I can't just let it go. <<<< This right here is my issue too. I think writing/talking about irritating things helps a lot but I still can't let go either sometimes. Let me know if you find the answer.
I seriously felt like I was
I seriously felt like I was going to scream at one point this morning. It seems way too extreme for the situation, but that's how much this bugs me. Obviously it's not healthy to hold onto it. In general I could learn to obsess less over things.
OP...I was in the same boat
OP...I was in the same boat as you. The skid was sleeping on the couch all the time and one day he told me that I needed to be quiet so that I didn't wake him up in the morning when I left for work. I told DH that he needed to deal with his kid so he did. Skid doesn't sleep on the couch anymore because I told my DH if he isn't consistent and lets his kids get away with crap then they will never learn anything. The skids are afraid of me which is fine with me. They are afraid of me for a reason though and that is because they know that they won't get away with crap when I am around. If you don't share finances then just try to disengage and let your DH do what he wants with his kid and then when he is broke you can tell him why. BM bothers me more than the skids!
It seems like cause and
It seems like cause and effect aka natural consequences would apply to ss in this situation. "Oh gee, your phone is all smashed up. Too bad it's so expensive to replace and you'll have to use it as is."
Until SS Smashes DH's phone
it will continue to be "no big deal." Even though $$$ are flying out the window and SS is being taught that money does in fact grow on trees.
This would be my approach
There is nothing sexy about a man who is milque toast to his kids. When you allow them to walk all over you it is a huge turn off. I do not care if SS broke his phone. That is not my concern. But when you reward his carelessness with a new phone before you change your underwear.. well ew. But then I was unaware your son needed 24/7 contact with the world because he needs a kidney transplant and has to be available when a viable kidney is ready. But if going without his phone for a week or so is the worst lesson he ever learns he is getting off likely. Oh and if the phone turns up, I am not signing for it.
It really is a turn-off. I am
It really is a turn-off. I am having a hard time looking at my SO the same at the moment. I know it will pass. But I'm not married to him, I don't need to stay. If scenarios like this arise enough, well, this is what ends relationships. I don't want to be constantly turned off by him being a doormat.
Right there with you sister.
Right there with you sister. Anytime DH kowtows to his 33 yr old son I heave in my mouth a little.
Same here
I was completely losing my mind. Being so aggravated daily watching the madness unfold. Disengage? Sure, I did. But I still had to sit admist it & see all the chaos, all the yelling, all the madness still. & not only me, but our 2 children as well. I made my decision to move me & our 2 kids out & I have never felt better. I got a part time job, so I am gone on the weekend evenings; on week day evenings, we have been working on my home (I had my own home before SO got together). We haven’t started staying there yet, but just working toward it makes me feel like there a light at the end of the tunnel! I absolutely understand your frustration and the inability to just “let go”. It’s not that easy. Even if you do disengage, your still there watching it all go down, still being aggravated bc your husband refuses to offer consequences and has himself on repeat. I get you. I’ve been there, I’m still there; he would not make a change, therefore I am.
Good for you! I am patient,
Good for you! I am patient, until I’m not anymore. I have a limit. This could go either way.
Yes,
I am known to be very laid back and I don’t let things get to me. Everyone has a limit. I’ve had mine. Good luck to you.
I've been though it all.
I've been though it all. Disengaging is the only way I am still there and happy. Sure, I have to regularly practice at it (I'm a do-er!) but the more I do it the eaiser it is. I've got little issue doing this with OSD, but starting to do it with YSD now too...it's much harder but I cannot care more than the parents. That's my issue at this point. I just can't.
Today: Waiting with DH at our transit point, YSD passes up in front of us to wait for her school bus (we cross paths several times a week on our commutes). DH gets all exited...asks me if he should go say hi to her. I say exactly this: "I don't care. You can decide." Done. Why is it my decision whether he says hello to his daughter or not? It's NOT my place!
He actually asked you that??
He actually asked you that?? Gads.
YES. ??? I mean, really???
YES. ??? I mean, really???
Like he's going to say hi to
Like he's going to say hi to his first crush........
I need a mental trick for when this crap happens. SS broke a rule and no consequences- I zone out and say, is it worth the conflict this will cause to bring it up? Right now, I'm like, don't say it, don't say it....oh F it, and out it comes.
I always find buying myself something
Makes it a little better. If DH has so much money. Then a new car. Like a two seater. So No SK allowed
I can relate to this so hard
I’ve been reading blogs from this site for almost a year and was also a long-term girlfriend. I finally ended things after trying to express my concerns about SD’s wide-range of poor behavior; destructiveness being a big one. She is 12 and in the past 2 months has managed to destroy the carpet (on-going destruction), shatter her cellphone screen for the millionth time and steal from DH. To top it all off she had the nerve to cop attitude with him and talk down to him when he scolded her. No discipline whatsoever. Infact, he’s spending over $1,000 for her on her birthday. I’m just baffled by it all. I too, am a single parent but don’t subscribe to the idea of guilty parenting. My job is to raise my kids to be good people; not appease them.
I apologize for going on a tangent about my issues. I just want you to know that I completely, completely understand the frustration of this situation and how it starts to breed resentment. Being that we weren’t married, I tried to address the issues beforehand because I didn’t want to go into a marriage knowing I would eventually need to disengage. He wasn’t having it. According to him, his parenting style works just fine despite evidence otherwise. My two cents, ask youself if you can deal with a lifetime of disengagement and if its all worth having a fragmented relationship with future DH. Since you’re not married yet, you can still make a clean break. Best of luck to you girl!
Yes!
Yes! Everything you said!
See, your situation makes
See, your situation makes mine seem pretty silly. Skids here are really well-behaved...for the most part. I should be thankful we aren’t dealing with the disrespect and attitude. I would probably be long gone if it were really bad behavior with no consequences. But that being said, kids still do shit wrong, and It’s not all the time, but no consequences ever? Come on.
I appreciate your advice. If I disengage from this (I’m a selective disengager, and that has worked well so far), and it’s too hard, it may be the straw that broke the camels back. I hope it will become clearer either way.
Just tonight I told my SO how I was feeling about the situation. I stopped short of saying it’s a turn-off when he’s such a pushover. I mentioned teaching skids respect for their things, that accidents happen, but they don’t need to have expensive things immediately replaced. His response was “there doesn’t have to be a lesson in everything”. No, but there could be a lesson in some things! Your job is to teach them! At least it wasn’t a fight, but it was pointless.
Your boyfriend is suffering from involuntary skid defense reflex
Anyone criticizes his skid or suggest they have lessons to be taught will be automatically contradicted. My dh still has this although it has weakened and the skids are fully grown. Now is a good time to decide if you can love with this. It will probably never go away completely. You alone can judge if he is worth it.
Ah yes, “ISDR” is his exact
Ah yes, “ISDR” is his exact diagnosis! Believe it or not, this is a huge improvement from how things used to be. I’ve pointed out his ISDR before, with some success. Obviously there is more room for improvement....
ISDR lol
Perfect description for this phenomenon. No matter what behavior I brought up and examples of said behavior, not one single time did SO admit the behavior was wrong or needed dealt with. Instead, he accused me of talking shit about his kid and having a vendetta against her. How is bringing up examples of things she actually did, talking shit? And a vendetta? I’ve literally never even reprimanded her but now I have a vendetta.
And yes, if there’s a lesson to be learned in a situation where a kid breaks an expensive item AND lies about it. Why not take opportunity of that? Isn’t that a parent’s job? To teach their children?
Well, luckily for you it sounds like there’s still some measure of hope since the kids aren’t too terribly behaved. Again, it’s just a matter if what you can tolerate.