Meeting each other's SO's for the first time..what's the play?
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So my SO and her ex have decided that it's time to meet each other's SO's. What's the appropriate forum for such a meeting? We don't want this to feel like a double date. Truth be told thing's aren't exactly amicable between my girl and her ex and this meeting could end up down the hill and in the pits.
My girl wants to meet his
My girl wants to meet his girl and vice versa because of the fact that we're all around the daughter at this point. My girl's concern is she wants to know what kind of woman is around and being influential in her daughter's life.
Wait until there is an event
Wait until there is an event or something, a school play or a sporting event. Don't set up a meet and greet. There's no need - she doesn't get to have an opinion about who her ex dates or brings around the kids.
that is exactly what I was
that is exactly what I was going to say. Wait for a school event or soccer game or something like that where it is kid-centric and plenty of witnesses! LOL
She harbors absolutely no
She harbors absolutely no feelings for ex this I'm sure of. She couldn't care less who he dates whatsoever. And she has zero intention of telling her ex who he can and cannot date. She just feels after all this time that she should meet this person and we were seeking advice on how to go about it.
There's more to the story, her ex is a manipulative, lying, idiot. He's been lying about even having a girlfriend for months now and my girl is tired of hearing about this imaginary character from her daughter.
He's under no obligation to
He's under no obligation to tell her anything about who he dates, much less allow her to meet that person.
Your girlfriend sounds very controlling. "She's tired of hearing about it from her daughter"? Too bad. Get used to it.
Truth is, my girl's
Truth is, my girl's intentions are her own and I really don't care to question why this is important to her. The topic was in regards to an appropriate meeting setting and nothing more. You all seem to be throwing dirt at her when I specifically said that he wants to meet me as well. We seem to be forgetting that this is ultimately in the best interest of a child at the end of the day and nothing more.
How is it in the best
How is it in the best interest of the child for your SO to meet her ex’s GF in a planned get together? Why can’t you all just say hello and introduce at a drop off or pick up? It seems very forced.
I disagree that setting up a
I disagree that setting up a date & time for everyone to meet everyone else is in the best interest of the child. The kid doesn't & won't care if you all sit down for dinner to meet the way you seem to think you should.
When I see BM we wave & say hello. I help my skids pick out gifts for her for her bday & xmas. If we're at events together we're civil & polite. That's whats in the best interest of the kids. None of it is forced, and we've never sat down & had a chat or talked about ourselves at all. Who I am is none of BM's business.
Neither your 'girl' or her ex have the right to demand to meet the new partners. If it all works out & you all get along & want to have nights out together in time, that's one thing. But forcing it is another. There's no need for that at all.
I'm not at all worried about
I'm not at all worried about being muted or a doormat. Not trying to sound like a tough guy, but I grew up in NYC when it was still NYC and will not bite my tongue for shit, or ever be a doormat. My girl knows this and I've made her very aware that this can go sour quick if he steps out of line. That's actually more my concern, his cunty attitude, and my reaction.
Horrible pointless idea and
Horrible pointless idea and not one single thing good will come from it. Don’t do it.
Keep it casual
Keep it casual. How do you handle drop offs? Can you just go along on a drop off or pick up and step out of the car and say "Hi?" Does the child have an activity that you could attend just long enough to say "hello" and then leave?
If things are not amicable, it does not seem like a good idea to have an "official" meeting somewhere.
I don't see the point in this
I don't see the point in this IMO.
You can naturally meet each other at a school event or something. Anything beyond that seems unnecessary.
You're asking where it is
You're asking where it is appropriate to meet without accepting that it isn't appropriate, or necessary, to meet and size up one another. In one meeting, none of you are going to get a good understanding of who each of you are as people, so unless this is a "first date" of sorts to grow a relationship where you all get along, this is an exercise in futility.
Don't participate. If your GF wants to meet the GF of her ex, then she is more than welcome to meet them at a coffee shop or park with the daughter there. Her being there gives everyone someone else to focus on and should keep folks on better behavior.
I definitely appreciate most
I definitely appreciate most of the input here and will present some of it to my girl. I personally don't give a shit either way, I'm just in this to support someone that I love. Which isn't often easy as a lot of us on here know.
Part of being in a
Part of being in a relationship is recognizing when you should and shouldn't support your partner. That means you have yo recognize when certain behaviors are toxic, whether that toxicity hurts you, your partner, their kids, or your relationship.
What your GF wants to do is not healthy or appropriate. Treat this like you would any other behavior she could do that would be unhealthy. At the very least, tell her that you love her but cannot support her decision to interfere in who her ex has relations with.
I assume no court order exists that stipulates
The parents of this kid must vet their ex’s future partners or spouses for approval before they can be around the child and no judge would be dumb enough to do that.
My husbands ex wife demanded 5 years after kidnapping their 2 daughters and ceasing contact that she was a newly changed religious woman for the sake of her kids and wanted hubby to come to her home with her husband for the 1st meet with kids and she used the daughters to coax him
hubby divorced her for a reason, that relationship has ended, he wants nothing to do with her or see her or be in her presence. Hubby refused to meet at her new husbands home, she is not welcome in our home and no bogus “its for the kids” will be a good enough excuse...
i hate when parents say “its for the kids”, the 2 parents need to grow up and behave like adults and stop bringing their kids like pawns into adult issues.
I know people who in a divorce have an agreement that you do not introduce a so unless you’ve been in a committed relationship for at least 6 months just for stability because its hard for young kids to see parents ho-banging around different men and women frequently and their kids exposed to it
i have no intention bein around my husbands exwife, she and her family make me feel uneasy and all the batshit crazy shit they do, you’re smart to keep your distance
Through the help of this
Through the help of this forum we've opted for the pickup/drop off situation. Thanks to everyone that participated.
I understand the decision is
I understand the decision is already made, but I'll chime in that I think this was the right one. When you said, "Truth be told thing's aren't exactly amicable between my girl and her ex and this meeting could end up down the hill and in the pits," I wanted to yell, "Nooooooo!" My DH met BM's new DH thru pick-ups and drop-offs, and I met BM through a pick-up. (BM did no picking up or dropping off. ha!) I've been married to DH 2 months short of 20 years, and to this date, I've never "met" BM's DH. Closest I came was seeing him in the hallway when oldest SS was in the hospital about 15 years ago. If things are not exactly amicable between your SO and her ex, no need to rock the boat by a forced meeting. I see no good coming out of that. To the extent there's a need to "meet" the SO in each situation, I think doing so informally as you've now planned works best. Short and sweet.
Don’t do it
Its a set up by BM. Don’t count on there is no feelings with the EX. There is always some feelings. They shared a bed and other things before
OP, I know you feel like
OP, I know you feel like people piled on you - that's because many of us experienced the BM feeling like she had the right to meet us and approve who was around her children, as if that was an appropriate thing.
Just all say hello to each other and go on your way. Honestly, in 9 years, I've said nothing more than hello to BM, I've never sat down and had a conversation with her, hell to the no. If your wife and her ex's GF are going to have a positive relationship it will develop on its own.
And by the way, stop believing everything she says about him unless you see evidence of it for yourself.
It's just an excuse to be
It's just an excuse to be nosy.
Does she want to meet ALL your friends? The parents of any kids that live near you? The cashier at the store you go to?
Realistically, what's the purpose of meeting? Is there an expectation that you will break up if you don't meet the ex's criteria?
Is your SO requiring your ex's approval of you to move forward in the relationship or something?
There is ZERO reason to plan a meeting.
Let it happen naturally.... some event or something.
I think meeting at pickup
I think meeting at pickup/dropoff is the best idea. That's where DH and I met BM's fiance, and that's how BM met me (earlier, before she knew her fiance). It seemed natural, and opened the door for further contact if necessary or desired. The thought of a double date with BM and her fiance is downright creepy to me.
In 11 years together I've
In 11 years together I've never had a conversation with BM other than hi, bye, or a quick text occasionally if I was picking up it dropping off on my own (rare occasion). I've never even seen one of BMs boyfriend's.
If your SO and her ex had a good relationship and they wanted to be the type of parents that have meetings together and really coparent if say get coffee. You say they're is tension so I would not go through with the meeting at all. They need to resolve their own issues before other people are brought into this.
I think you have love blinders on because this is not about the kids this is absolutely about control and/or being nosy. If you're that worried about things turning bad then meeting will probably cause more issues not less.
Completely agree. Remember,
Completely agree. Remember, she trusted him enough to have children with him, why shouldn't she trust his judgement about his partner?
Unfortunately, you don't know
Unfortunately, you don't know that you're going to br cheated on. That's kinda how that works.
What does that have to do
What does that have to do with his parenting?
Nothing. The comment above
Nothing. The comment above was in regards to the trust thing. But if you want to go down this road, well a man should be a model for his daughter in regards to when she needs to choose a man for herself in the future. Being a cheating deadbeat is pretty shitty parenting if you ask me.
He’s a deadbeat too? He seems
He’s a deadbeat too? He seems to be seeing his children regularly. Don’t believe everything your ex tells you without evidence. And his daughters won’t know he cheated unless you or their mother tell them.
Lol, more assumptions being
Lol, more assumptions being made once again. No one ever stated that he see's his ONE daughter regularly. Don't know where the plural is coming from that you've used multiple times. And deadbeat by definition is a father who does not pay child support. For the sake of the convo, he see's his kid once a week at best, when it's convenient for him.
Just to follow up, we all met
Just to follow up, we all met last night during the exchange. It went well, with no hiccups. Her ex's girlfriend was extremely nice to my girl and open to understanding why she wanted to know who was playing a role in her daughter's life. Her ex tried to bro down with me a bit, but I made it pretty clear that we won't be on the same page until he starts being more respectful to my girl. I wasn't a dick or anything, just not exactly warm.
All in all, smooth process.
Oh Lordy.
Oh Lordy.
Good to hear it went smoothly... until it doesn’t.
Her ex’s girl could peace out tomorrow, then poof, there goes the woman who has been playing a role in the daughter’s life. Same could be said with you.
Just focus on simple pleasantries like “hello” and “goodbye,” like the rest of society tries to.
This reeks of unhealthy enmeshment between your girl and ex dude bro.
Nah, we're absolutely staying
Nah, we're absolutely staying this exact course and do not wish to have any further interactions outside of this. I'm not a parent yet, but I totally get it. If my ex wife for example was dating a meth addict and bringing him around my kid, I'd like to know and put a stop to it.
And how would you put a stop
And how would you put a stop to it when the family court system cannot, and oftentimes will not, keep a minor child from an addicted bio parent?
But, okay.
Wouldn't you like to know!
Wouldn't you like to know!
No, I wouldn’t like to know,
No, I wouldn’t like to know, actually. That was a very hypothetical inquiry.
I know you’re a tough guy from NYC and all, but two wrongs don’t make a right.
We get people of this mindset often here at StepTalk. Boyfriends and girlfriends all amped-up on their chivalrous ways, wanting to set things, people, and circumstances out of their legal control straight.
It’s cute.
Because you can absolutely
Because you can absolutely tell if someone is on drugs.. or a pedophile.. or has anger issues.. or a criminal history "just by looking at them".
Here's the thing, when you create a child with another person.. you make them an "equal parent"... if you don't stay together? You both can go on to have other new relationships.. and new people will be around your child.. and there is little to NOTHING you can do about it.
These "I have to meet her/him" things? They are to figuratively pee all over their child so that the other person is clear that the child already has a 'mother/father". In reality, it does nothing to assuage worry.. it does nothing to help you know more about that person other than they were able to string a sentence together "nice to meet you".
You want to know if the new GF/BF is a problem? do a background check.. find out if they have any DUI's or arrests for things that require them to not be near kids. Beyond that? you created a kid with another person... so you trusted that person enough to have a kid with them.. so you will have to trust their judgement with their new partner around your kid. optimal? no.. it is what it is.
You both can go on to have
^ This.
I get the feeling this won’t fully register with the OP until his girlfriend involves the family court system. Lawyers will be the first to drop this truth bomb on a controlling custodial parent.
Yea I mean, that's fine and
Yea I mean, that's fine and dandy and all. 98% of this shit has nothing to do with me. Once again, let's go back to the original post asking for advice on how to approach this. And once again where it was stated that this is something both parents wanted, not just my girl.
You can't spot a meth addict
You can't spot a meth addict out of a line up?
I do, actually, know an ex
I do, actually, know an ex addict who never looked like one. Never picked her face, kept all of her teeth, just never had that "look". It may not be common but it happens.
Can you tell the difference
Can you tell the difference between a meth addict and someone with a terminal illness possibly? Judging by appearances and a 5 minute "meet and greet" isn't going to give you all that much to go on. You can find out more about a person via social media these days.. and you don't know if they "just" tried meth for the first time yesterday and the effects haven't shown on them yet.. or that they won't try it tomorrow... and become addicted.
In reality.. this is curiosity.. her hoping she is prettier than the other girl. Showing off that SHE is mommy.. so that new GF doesn't get any big ideas. In reality.. there are probably many more things that are unseeable that should worry her.
But your GUBM GF got to stare down the girl.. hopefully everyone will live their happily ever afters now.
I just realized you’re the
I just realized you’re the guy whose “girl” doesn’t have a court order with her ex.
Oof.
Same guy whose GF went to the
Same guy whose GF went to the kids graduation & dinner with BD & had family pics taken. Also the same guy who was worried about having kids with his GF because her womb had been tainted by her exes seed, or something like that...
Yeah.... red flags everywhere in this sitch.
Most definitely.
Most definitely.
I think if any of us here were in OP’s predicament, and could go back in time to tell ourself to drop the rope and run - we would.
I foresee a legal clustercuss in this guy’s future.
Oh god, this is the tainted
Oh god, this is the tainted womb guy? Ugh. No wonder I was annoyed from the beginning. I thought it was just him calling her "his girl".
Grrrr.... "my girl" is so
Grrrr.... "my girl" is so condescending and reeks of ownership. Sure, it can be cute - once a decade and in the right circumstances, but this guy is too much.
Her womb was tainted??? Say
Her womb was tainted??? Say what???
Her ex's girlfriend was
Her ex's girlfriend was extremely nice to my girl and open to understanding why she wanted to know who was playing a role in her daughter's life.
Great, so now you've all met and you know exactly what you knew about each other before...nothing. Except that the new girlfriend can play nice when need be.
But if it gives "your girl" a piece of mind, so be it. Glad it went smoothly, other than the attempted "bro down".
That's it really, a little
That's it really, a little piece of mind on her end. And he can continue to eat a bag of dicks on my end.
Anyway, I'm pretty much over this thread. Appreciate the people that were actually conducive to it. A little too much devil's advocate for my taste. It was a simple question from the very start that snowballed into a lot of nonsense.
I hate to break it to you,
I hate to break it to you, and I know it’s not what you wish to hear, but this dude is the epitome of “The gift that keeps on giving.”
Buckle up, because you and your girl are in for a wild ride. Especially when illicit drugs are a factor.
Why? I have never met a
Why? I have never met a single one of the Spermidiots Ho's of the week. Why give BM equity status to you? Obviously her SO is not even worthy of a seat at the table. I have never given the Spermidiot any status and his Ho squad are even lower in status that that waste of parental skin POS is.
The toxic blended family opposition has only one choice. Do what they are told or suffer. Do not give them any status or a place at any table that is not facing a Judge with you, your DH and your legal team loaded for bear and ready to destroy them.
This strategy worked wonders for us.
This is all slightly
This is all slightly confusing as I'm a male, and we're not married. I do however appreciate your cut-throat handle all business in front of a judge attitude. I've been trying to push this on my girl, but she has her reservations. It's not my place to force her, but instead support her. I'm on this ride with her currently, should something finally rub me the wrong way to a point where I gotta get off at the next stop, then so be it. As of now, there's nothing so terrible going on that directly affects me or that I can't handle.
For the people in the cheap seats, following up on this thread and may need similar advice that I did. The mini meet and greet went well, I'd definitely make sure the kid(s) is present however to make sure the grown ups act accordingly (the irony). Happy to have put this to bed. Going forward there are absolutely no plans or intention to hang out as one big happy family, that's for sure. Truthfully I gained a lot of closure from the little meet and have been feeling much better about going forward.
I am glad it went well and
I am glad it went well and was a good experience for you. My most ardent wish was for the SpermClan in our blended family adventure to gain contact with reasonableness. They never did. Not once in the more than 16 years that we lived under a Custody/Visitation/Support CO. That left only the necessity to rub their noses in the behavioral stench of their shallow and poluted gene pool and to beat them about he head and shoulders with a rolled up copy of the CO (figuratively of course).
Good luck. I hope that all of the adults can stay the course regarding reasonable behavior.
Our related legal adventure started shortly after we met when the SpermClan initiated a change of custody attempt when they heard through the small town grape vine that my bride was dating someone at University. We met when SS-26 was 15mos old and married the week before he turned 2yo. Having my bride's back and protecting my son's (The Skid's) best interests was a key part of our blended family for more than a decade and a half. This is what has tempered my zero tolerance perspective.
Ultimately it has worked out for us. SS asked me to adopt him when he was 22yo. So we ended up with papers stipulating what was the case for his entire childhood. I am his dad.
Take care of you. It is easy to get lost in all of the complex drama of blended family life.
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We're by no means going to
We're by no means going to become a blended family, as I really can't share a room with this fake asshole for more than 5min, but I do appreciate the support. I actually thought that a blended family meant you enter a relationship as a step parent, then have a child(ren) of your own.
Blended families can take
Blended families can take many forms. They can inlude yours, mine, yours & mine or yours, mine & ours.
If you won't be a blended family then do yourself, your SO and the kid a favor and move on.
If things aren’t on good
If things aren’t on good terms between the mom and dad a meeting with everyone isn’t going to improve that.
You’re partner has absolutely no say in who her ex dates. The idea of knowing who her kids are around is pointless. She has no ability to control it and that’s not reality. Kids will be introduced to tons of people and she has no say in that. Does she feel the need to vet every one of his friends too? Does she homeschool the kids to prevent them from being around a teacher she hasn’t met or heaven forbid a sub?
BM hated me when I came into the picture because I gave SO a backbone and called her on her crap. She pulled that sh*t when we let my parents watch the kids and whine about them being around my roommate. Touch sh*t. The lawyer told her she had no say. When you divorce a person you lose a certain amount of rights towards your child. She has no right to dictate his home, who he dates, or has around the kids. Sure some orders have morality clauses but they are worthless and lead to children being interrogated.
BM in our case has introduced the children to so many people I can’t even count at this point. While we don’t think it’s healthy for the kids we realize there’s nothing we can do so the best thing for us is to maintain stability in our home and offer the kids support. We don’t bash BM and her choices in front of the children. We don’t make it sound like we know better than her and we don’t feel the need to rush down and meet every new guy.
Wait till there is a school event or a need to meet. That’s what finally helped BM and I get on the decent working terms we’re on. She figured out that she needed to cooperate with me for the good of the children and I showed I had no intent on taking her place or taking her children from her. The children made it clear that I was “good” and that should be enough for any parent.