One more sanity check
I know everyone has advised me to not agree to a child support reduction, especially when I have agreed to take much less than would be court ordered for the last 4-5 years. That my ex choosing to be a stay at home dad right now isn't a reason for him to support his older children less.
I just got another email from his wife and I am just pissed. I told her that I would not agree to a reduction and that it was really bothering me that they keep asking. BS and BD don't deserve less support from their father because they keep having kids and he wants to stop working. He is 40! Not 65!
I asked her how she would feel if DH and I had a baby and I decided to be a SAHM and started demanding more CS because I wanted to contribute less to the kids that I already had. It isn't right.
Please just one more time tell me that I am right in all of this. I don't want anything to affect our parenting relationship, but I just can't let this happen without it being ordered by a judge.
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If I were you, I might agree
If I were you, I might agree to a slight decrease, just to keep the peace. But not what they are proposing.
Actually - re-read it - and you already give them a decrease, so nope. It's absurd that he thinks he can just stop supporting the older kids because he feels like it.
You are right in all of this.
You are right in all of this. Your ex had a very successful military career and is choosing to retire at the ripe old age of 40 to be a stay at home Dad to his second family. At his age, he could have a very successful second career. While you aren't expecting him to change his choices regarding being a stay at home parent, you are asking him to maintain the same level of support, since your children's needs haven't diminished. This is totally reasonable. He can be a stay at home Dad, but he is going to have to find a way to fulfill his full CS obligation.
You guys have maintained a good coparenting relationship all this time, but that doesn't mean you won't disagree at some point. If a judge has to intervene, so be it. Money is a difficult topic, especially between exes when it interferes with each other's livelihood and lifestyle. Plus, while you have a good working relationship with your ex and his wife, your ex should be discussing this with you directly, not his wife... It seems like the wife is pushing this issue more than the ex.
You are right.
You are right.
If you were still with your ex and he decided (with your agreement) to be a stay at home dad, at least you would get the benefit from him being there more for the kids and being able to do all the stuff that is easier to get done during the work day. But you have had no say in his job change, and you get no benefit from him not working, plus your kids get no benefit from it either, so it is perfectly reasonable to refuse to voluntarily accept less money.
You are not doing anything to affect the parenting relationship. Your ex and his wife are. Them asking more than once is rude and they are the ones who are putting the strain on the situation by continuing to ask after you refused.
No, no, no. You have
No, no, no. You have accommodated enough. This is a CHOICE on their end.
I know you want to salvage the parenting relationship but I really feel like they are trying to take advantage of you and your kindness. Be strong. You are in the right.
No, no, no. You have
*dup*
"I have already made my
"I have already made my position clear. Please stop asking."
And that's all you need to say. You have been more than generous all these years.
You are 100% right, and I
You are 100% right, and I think their repeated requests when you have said no are disrespectful. Don't let them bully you into this. Your children deserve support from their father just like his kids with SM do. It is not reasonable for him to expect you to take less CS (especially when you've already agreed to take less than you're entitled to) because of choices they want to make for their family. They have to balance their desires for their family with his obligations to yours.
I think in the long run you will be very resentful if you agree to lower CS and that will do more damage to your co-parenting relationship than sticking up for your children's rights now will. I have to think your ex and his wife are self-aware enough to realize that what they're asking for isn't reasonable for you, and they'll get over it. They can revamp their plans and come up with something that works for ALL the children.
In the meantime, I'd tell SM to have the ex call you if he wants to continue the conversation. This is between you and your ex-husband and you shouldn't have to deal with a go-between, no matter how good your relationship might be with her.
I don't know which is worse,
I don't know which is worse, that he's trying to shirk his obligations as a parent, or that she is the one doing the asking. Either way it's wrong.
If you choose to do this and
If you choose to do this and let the bullies win, can you look yourself in the mirror and be happy with yourself?? You are standing up for your kids. If he pays less how can he make it up to them? What can he do to replace the money for them? How many more years before your kids age out of support?
If you give a rat a cookie, how much more will he ask for in the future?? Do you want to set that precedent with him???
You are right.. and my
You are right.. and my response might also go something along the lines of.
For the past 4-5 years, I have voluntarily agreed to a lower payment than you would otherwise have been obligated to pay to support your children. I have put a lot of value on our positive parenting relationship. However, if you continue to push the idea that you get to voluntarily quit working at 40 so you can afford to stay home with your "new kids".. I will be forced to take you back to court to get exactly what I am entitled to get for CS and you may not be happy to learn that a judge is quite likely going to be very happy to impute an income that is based on your salary prior to your "youthful retirement". and you are very likely to not only get a reduction from my generously accepted current amoutn.. to a higher amount than I am getting now.
I want to remind you that it is not my goal to force you to pay more.. but if our parenting relationship is damaged by further pressing of this "lower payment" that is absolutely a ridiculous request being made soley for your family's benefit and to my and his children's detriment... I may as well seek out a payment that maximizes our children's rights...
Again, I am not trying to cause conflict here.. but at this point, you need to understand I will not entertain any lowering of CS.. and to keep pressing it is likely goint to result in me seeking an INCREASE... so let's consider this topic closed to further discussion.
It looks like your good co
It looks like your good co-parenting relationship has run its course. He's being a completely irresponsible asshat and his wife is urging him along. Horsepuckey.
Two ideas...
"My answer remains the same. All previous correspondence regarding this matter will be forwarded to my attorney who will henceforth be copied on all additional correspondence."
Reply with your attorney copied on the correspondence, "Attorney, please respond to this."
And it's time to block his wife.
I hope that this doesn't
I hope that this doesn't change the way we work together to parent the kids and have a strong relationship. I know she is anxious and that them just buying an almost $500K house is stressful (once again not my problem), and him not working is going to be an adjustment.
I am not backing down. If the judge orders it, so be it. However, I don't think that will happen. Especially since the current CS still isn't 50% of his retirement income, which is allowed to be taken by CS in our state and him staying at home is a choice.
Hopefully they are smart
Hopefully they are smart enough to know that if they take it to court, he could be ordered to pay MORE than he currently does.
I really can't begin to understand why they think this is okay to ask of you. If they just bought a 500K house, wouldn't it make sense for him to keep working?
I hope not, too.
I hope not, too. Unfortunately, they seemingly have no qualms about him neglecting his responsibility to his older children - which will likely change THEIR relationship with him (her).
Sadly, JMTB, your cordial relationship with the might be at an end and you will have to be business only moving forward.
Honey.. let me flip that
Honey.. let me flip that script.
Why on earth are THEY/HE not worried that asking you to take less money for his children's upkeep will negatively affect your parenting relationship.
Of course he has been easy to get along with.. you have always been "reasonable" with them (IE they get what they want) .
The only strength in your relationship is that they think you are a pushover and will agree to whatever they want.. so she is pushing.. and pushing.
You need to shut this down with her/them.
I think you may have misunderstood my previous responses that I was interested in discussing this possibility further. Let me be clear. No.. I will not accept a reduction in CS. no reason.. shut it down.
This is a VERY good point.
This is a VERY good point.
ExDH,
ExDH,
I will not consider reducing CS. This is now a closed matter, and further discussion will not be entertained. If you persist, however, we can always go back into court and have a judge make a final determination on a 41 year old physically and mentally capable father wanting to reduce CS because said father prefers to be a SAHD to younger children from a subsequent marriage.
JMTB
You're not wrong, and I like
You're not wrong, and I like the scenario you offered to illustrate your point.
Stay strong!
Don’t back down
Your kids deserve the money. He can stay home during the day and work nights. If they are moving to Maryland he could work for any number of defense contractors and most likely telework. Maryland is expensive, property taxes are high and the state doesn't give the military any break on retirement income. But if he is moving to so. Maryland a decent house is gonna run at least $425. Real estate prices are crazy here right now.
Exactly I find something very
Exactly I find something very odd about the whole situation. I mean civil service loves to hire retired military, and if they don't pay enough the contractors sure will. And yes he will be able to telework since most of them are anyway, it's only if he gets into certain project work that he might have to go into the office.
Don't worry about ruining the
Don't worry about ruining the current parenting relationship if you take them back to court. If you accept the reduction you'll end up being so PISSED that you've ended up footing the cost of their $500k house and early retirement and that'll affect the coparenting relationship anyway. A relationship is not one sided. Sometime despite our own efforts to maintain a good relationship the other side will do something unreasonable and that's what's happening here. Accept that it'll never be the same regardless of whatever you say or do. And proceed with standing your ground to give your kids what they deserve. What is more important? Giving your kids what they deserve or being friendly with your ex?
Reduction would be ok with me
Reduction would be ok with me if my ex became disabled and couldn't work full time, too old to manage working full time. Deciding to quit his job at 40 not a good reason for reduction
You are absolutely right in
You are absolutely right in all of this.
They really have a lot of frickin' nerve. And the wife is now harassing you.
Perhaps their mortgage company will agree to take a reduction in their monthly payment, ya know, because he wants to be a stay-at-home dad.
Stay-at-home parents make financial sacrifices to be able to afford the luxury of one parent staying home. They make those sacrifices (giving up certain wants, properly budgeting, etc.), while still paying their actual obligations. If your ex and his wife can't find a way to make it work, without screwing his other kids, then it just doesn't work. And HE works.
That's life. We don't always get what we want, just because we want it.
I feel like in my efforts to
I feel like in my efforts to not be like BM, I have allowed too much to happen. DH told me when they moved to CA and he got the raise to take him back. I said no, nothing here changed. Our kids are provided for, there is no need to be a gold digger. Now I am kicking myself for not doing it.
The more I think about it, the more I get pissed off. I am meeting with one attorney Friday and another next week.
Good, stay pissed. You are
Good, stay pissed. You are not in the wrong, here.
Stay very pissed!
Your ex wants to be a SAHD because he feels like he's missed out on the experience with his kids with you. So if he does this he'll be screwing your kids TWICE over by missing out on their milestones while they were growing up THEN depriving them of support they're entitled to while they're still dependant on him to play happy dad with his new baby.
Wow. That is a really good
Wow. That is a really good way to put it.
He did miss their young childhoods. He was deployed for 6 months for both our kids first years. He was air crew and gone 3 weeks a month on average. He was more like a visitor. After we divorced he changed career fields and had a more "normal" job. But yeah, he really is trying to screw them a second time.
I mean good lord, the amount of $ I spent on sports in the last few weeks- DS plays golf, he grew 5 inches last year and out grew his clubs. $600 clubs and $80 on shoes. Then he also is in a bowling league $175. DD is a softball player- same thing, She grew like crazy this past year. Softball was $185. I asked them to get her cleats and the crap I was given for that just made me say nevermind. So I paid $130 bat, $60 cleats and $80 in pants for her. Over $1,300 just in sports. Teenagers are expensive. These actvities look good on college resumes though. They have to do something in life to be active and they both love what they play.
This just shows that your
This just shows that your kids are getting more expensive the older they get. Maybe you should start responding to SM's requests for you to take less CS with requests for half of their EC expenses, in lieu of going back for MORE CS.
Stay pissed, and remember one thing - you couldn't be like BM if you tried. You're not personality disordered and EVIL.
And the truth is, he doesn't
And the truth is, he doesn't need to not work to be a present dad. He can get a weekday job like most dads and be there for his kids. If he wants to be present for his kids, why don't they move closer to you so you can do 50/50? He's shortchanging them all around. And he can't blame you for keeping them from him, you've been more than accommodating.
Don't do it. I do not feel
Don't do it. I do not feel one ounce of guilt for collecting CS for DS and the full amount.
That money is for DS helps pay for all his needs, extracurricular activities, tutoring, and so on.
Why should his father be relieved of his obligation to support his own child.
If exH wasn't so selfish and would split costs 50/50 I wouldn't have to, but he is so CS is his only contribution to his child.
ARGH!!!!!!
ARGH!!!!!!
It is so hard to just remain quiet and not respond back to the petty comment she came back with!!!!
"I wish your perception that (ExH's) life choices shouldn't affect (DS and DD), because of course they will. Just like your choices have affected them."
I SOOOOO want to say: well I guess the difference is that I have only moved up in my career, home, and life and all he wants to do is shrug off his responsibility. I have never had that option. I am their mother and will continue to fight for what is best for them, it is really sad that their father won't. I will make sure you have my attorney's info for when you file.
And I wish that you would not
And I wish that you would not insert yourself into matters that impact my children's lives. The support of these children is a matter wholly between their father and me. Quite frankly, I don't care if this doesn't align with your personal desire to have a stay at home parent for your child. I don't care if you won't have as much household income to spend freely... Those are NOT my concern. The only concern I have is the well being of my own children.. The only people who should ever be part of this discussion is their father and myself. You need to take a giant step back because this is not something that you and I need to talk about together. I find your opinion irrelevant.
I want to respond with that
I want to respond with that now!!!!!
I need to wait to talk to the attorney. I just need to wait it out for a couple of more days.
I would stop communicating
I would stop communicating with her about this, period (because frankly, my bitch would want to come out).
Can your ex not speak for himself? Does he figure it will be easier to have his wife try to intimidate or guilt you? Because he knows he's in the WRONG, so can't "face" you, himself?
She made HER choice to marry and have kids with a man who had previous responsibilities and obligations. She needs to deal with it.
I get along with SM great,
I get along with SM great, she is very lovely and is a great SM to my DD. But no way no how financial arrangements would be discussed with her. My DD is 33 and we are divorced since she was a little girl and we've been through many things like colleges and weddings and death and moving and etc etc and I never discussed finances whth SM. It's all kind of wrong. It must be between you and ex and I'd stop all communication with her about that
frankly it sounds that she is pushing for this change