O/T The Implication (Just a Rant)
Background info: I'm a 62.5 yr old female with a bad shoulder after two surgeries from an MVA. I also had stage I breast cancer last spring and received radiation treatment in the late summer/early autumn after surgery in June (back to back surgeries with shoulder surgery). Chef is 8 yrs younger. He just turned 55.
So, as we are pulling out of the driveway last Sunday on our way to our 8,000 step walk, (he's on a health kick now) Chef notices that the weeds are getting high again and proceeded to lecture me about "just get it done." The day before (Saturday) I was preparing a powerpoint/publisher presentation to dispute the town planning board's objection to us turning a duplex back into a duplex (previous owner who defaulted on the loan and tax payments hacked it into a single family). That took about two solid hours then I started painting the front porch of one of our rentals in 90 degree heat (I know I shouldn't complain b/c other places are well past 100 degrees F). Then racing home to make dinner.
After the Sunday "walk," I stacked fire wood for two hours then proceeded to hoist a 40 gallon dead water heater out of the back of Chef's work van, then load it with my four wheeled string trimmer and off I go to mow and weed whack the four other lawns we have.
I do all the lawns (our property is practically a mini farm) and housework at home as well as run Chef's biz--all the paperwork, recordkeeping, mileage, taxes, invoicing, collections, scheduling, you name it. Chef gets up, gets dressed and heads out at 7-8 am to attend our latest rental rehab or his HVAC biz, takes a few breaks throughout the day then comes home around 3:30 pm and thats the end of the day for him. Meanwhile, I'm prepping dinner, shopping etc. And although I'm a lot more frugal and organized at that than him, I still am worn out by the end of the day.
I don't care for the implecation that I'm:
1. Not doing enough
2. Wasting time/lazy
I explain to Chef during our walk how much time I have to spend on just tracking mileage through the two different mileIQ accounts, etc. Of course he has some pat answer and quick resolution that I immediately shoot down "tried that and it doesn't work that way; here's how it ACTUALLY works."
Chef, on more than one occasion has implied that I'm sitting with my thumb up my keister and I don't like it. I know that he treated the Gir with kid gloves and made sure she didn't have to do anything but now since that failed, he's gone the opposite with me. Other men often tell Chef "I wish I could get MY wife to do that" when watching me sand the woodwork at an old rehab. Chef gives them a look like "what's with the wishing? just order her to do it" sort of look.
I've attempted to hire out but no one wants to work and Chef doesn't like the liability of having someone work for us.
Rant OFF.
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You do a LOT!
I'm in awe of all you accomplish. I'm a lazy slug and don't care tho I keep the house going, oversee Mom100's care including her finances, shopping plus twice weekly visits, oversee DH86 with his finances, appointments, medical issues and oncoming dementia and, now, attend my own physical therapy appts.
DH and, more irritatingly, SD61, imply I don't do much here. What they mean is they don't see me scrubbing, weeding and other physical tasks. They're right, I either pay to have them done or do things while DH naps so I don't have to put up with his supervision.
It's a weird way of thinking, "If you're not physically working, you're not accomplishing anything". SD, in particular, has this mindset. Ok, no problem, I guess I've always been lazy except I raised 5 kids, had a 33-year career and earned a bachelor's degree. What did you do, SD?
Thinktwice, you're my hero, I don't know how you do it all
Yep
It's like if you're not swinging a hammer or putting in plumbing you aren't doing work.. He is extremely disparaging of office workers, especially men who work in offices. He's got it in his head now that I'm semi retired, I should be able to do even more!
The blue collar /white collar mentality discussion.
I have worked both collar colors, i was on my tools for about 2 years and then transitioned into management. Both after completing my engineering degree.
Explaining to hard core blue collar mentality workers why white collar leadership positions pay far more than most blue collar positions is a never ending effort. Many refuse to engage in the facts. Others.. get it and take advantage of the blended collar color career opportunities.
An income distribution curve analysis can provide some clarity. Blue collar careers are front loaded in income. They start earning early and maximize early. White collar income curves are back loaded . They are usually delayed in earning for 4+ years of University, start fairly low, and peak at far higher levels generally for the last 1/3 of the career duration.
I have coached many of my blue collar workers to work on a Bachelor's degree while they are working high hourly rate blue collar positions and consider transitioning to white collar roles about mid career. People who do that will out earn blue collar focused workers and white collar focused workers significantly over the full span of a career. They pick up the early career income advantage and the late career peak income elements. Generally most companies have a peak hourly rate they will pay an hourly worker. In my experience that is usually around $60/hr. To earn more, the hourly worker has to work O/T. As we get older our ability to work physically demanding trade roles more than 40hrs/wk grows more limited thus limiting our max income potential. White collar roles open up the potential for high salary levels, variable compensation, etc... that can continue to grow all the way to the end of a career.
I get a graduation announcement every few years from former employees who have completed their degree while working in the skilled trades. Some of the most talented employees I have had started in the trades and transitioned to white collar roles. They are outstanding problem solvers, great managers who optimally coach and guide trades employees, and bring excellent knowledge to leadership roles that they access with their experience and completed degrees.
With online degree options, it is possible to work a high performing blue collar career while completing a degree.
I for one... appreciate that I can work hard, make high salary levels, and not wear out my body limiting my abiility to do the things I want to do once I retire.
Chef is delusional. You do
Chef is delusional. You do too much for him.
You know that shiny new will you just made? The one where Chef gets a life estate in the house? A couple more implications like that and Chef's ass should be on the curb instead.
The "weedy curb"..lmao.
The "weedy curb"..lmao.
Seriously.. you have a LOT on your plate... adding in that you have had your own health issues.. that are no small feat to overcome.
I get he is not into hiring out for the business side.. but would he let you hire a landscaping company to come in and take care of some of those things like weeding?
Last year
I did actually hire somebody to pull weeds for me off of craigslist. They did a fair job of it.. But the thing of it was I was in a sling and that is why I was hiring.
Youi tend to appreciate
Youi tend to appreciate things more when you aren't getting any of them (e.g. air, sex, etc.) so stop doing all the stuff you do other than what will actually serve you. See how long it takes him to notice.
PS
I'd have told him that as he's off work from 3.30 he could do it himself in his free time this afternoon.
The area
He was complaining about is the mouth to the driveway. Which is actually on a Hill and is hard to weed whack.. He's even admitted it. We live on one acre next to a swamp of completely unmanageable land that will not drain, but at the same time is rocky with some crappy fill and just grows weeds.. No mower could touch my backyard, so you have to hand weed whack approximately a third to a 1/2 of an acre. Which takes an hour on a good day. That is not counting the front yard. I do have a ferris zero turn but I use that also to mow all the rental lawns as well..
I have to admire my old boss's wife who was completely retired.. "Dr. Phil's" wife, athough being completely retired and he is still working full-time, did not touch the lawn work. He did it all. She made a huge fuss over simply vacuuming because they had one to two very hairy dogs.
Give him MORE to do
Not less. He needs to do the cooking and helping out.
Even your slow days out runs
Even your slow days out runs my fastest. I am in awe of you.
I'm trying to find a nice way to say what Chef should go do to himself but I'll go with stick a blender up his ... and turn it on full speed.
GRRRR - I hate that crap. I
GRRRR - I hate that crap. I hate that he said that to you.
I know we all have our own POV and can't see what other people do all day with their time. I am sure we all think WE have it the hardest.
However, I just faced a similar accusation from my BF of 4 years.
My family and I have been inundated with issues this year which started with the family dog (elderly) dying from accidental poisoning in the spring. Then, my 2 older children were both laid off from their jobs in the month of June. My cat suffered a near fatal abscess after our other cat bit him. He's old and his kidneys are failing so his recovery has been slow. My primary car bit the dust a couple weeks ago - died on the side of the highway just as I was about to sell my cute little convertible. It's been a lot of stress because I live 2.5 hours away from my job and need a reliable car to go into work twice a month as well as tend to my airbnb that is 90 minutes away. I could have driven the cute 12 year old convertible, but it's impractical and very expensive to repair.
Last week, my 33 yr old son was sent to the ER with BP of 240/?? and was admitted for 2 nights. I went down to be with him because there was no other family. I was also in the midst of purchasing a reliable primary car, so when I got him home from the hospital and settled at my other house, I got up at the crack of dawn last Friday to drive up and drive another Honda CRV. I put a deposit on it and my BF agreed to drive me up next week to pick it up.
I was scheduled to leave on a 4-day bike packing trip on Saturday, but I digress.
I get home from my odyssey emotionally, mentally and physically exhausted and ask my partner to take a nap with me so we can cuddle up before I go out of town. He turns me down and says he's exhausted from working in the yard and the house to prepare for my two friends who were spending the night before our bike packing trip. I'd like to note I did NOT ask him to do a THING to prepare for their visit. The only thing I planned to do was make sure the beds were ready and scrub the tub and shower curtain. I told him I would do that when I got home, but he did it.
He was all butt hurt and chilly when I got home. And after turning me down for the cuddling that would have helped us both so much, he accused me of being angry with him. I said I wasn't - I was exhausted.
On the way to the grocery store, he dropped it on me that he wasn't going to be able to take me to get my car because his mom had a dr. appt that day. He said he MIGHT be back by Thursday or Friday but couldn't commit. Since his mom's drs appointments are usually not critical and she changes them on a whim, I told him I was disappointed that he wasn't able to commit to being back by Friday afternoon at the latest.
He lost it with me and said that he was tired of helping EVERYONE. Tired of helping me. Tired of helping his mom. And no one ever thinks about what he needs or helping him.
He basically accused me of taking him for granted. And when I reminded him that I rarely ask him for his help, but also asked him if he was the same guy who 3 weeks ago praised me endlessly for dropping everything to HELP HIM when he was stranded in New Hampshire with a broken down vehicle. The same person who praised me so much for having his back that he wanted to be there for me and wanted to really help me with my new vehicle search.
He said he would never ask me for help again because I "threw it in his face." Which I did not. I merely pointed out the flaw in his statement.
I do not understand how he got into a mental space where he was the person being taken advantage of. I am fiercely independent and do not demand any more than the bare minimum from him.
How can people have such a skewed perspective?
At the end of the day, just
At the end of the day, just run down that list (the time it took for each task, and the $$$ amount if you hired it out) then tell him you're too tired for sex.
Call him up EVERY time you complete a task. Make a huge big deal about it, like you solved the problems to end world hunger. So he will get the point of how much work you're doing/be more appreciative/step in to help you.
I'm sorry but he doen't want the "liability" of someone working/doing manual labor for him but he has no qualms seeing YOU (as a recovering from serious illness elderly woman...respectfully) working/doing manual labor for him (which is more of a liability than hiring out....unless he doesn't care about losing you so he can file an insurance claim and be treating his next wife off your life insurance money)
That's why you hire licensed contractor who have insurance and that's what you have home owners insurance for (if someone gets injured on your property you simply file a claim). And insurance is extremely affordable and y'all probably already have it. Your health is more important than a man's cheap antics.
The truth is he does not want to PAY someone if he can get his free work mule, I mean wife, to do it. Why he'd rather let his recovering wife do the grunt work instead of himself/some eager young men to do it comes down to money.
He either needs to pay someone, pay you, or get off his duff and do it himself.
If you know he won't do it.....take him off the beneficiary list of your life insurance because if your work yourself into an early grave because of him, he shouldn't financially benefit. If he wan't to be cheap now, he'll be living cheap later too.
Honestly?
Your husband is an asshole and you deserve far better.
You and Chef aren’t married
You and Chef aren’t married right? Honestly he’s an opportunist who found himself a woman to take care of him and has effectively made you believe you aren’t enough. He knows you are better than him and that he needs you more than you need him, which is why he constantly gaslights you into thinking you are the problem.
Evil Aniki would like to give
Evil Aniki would like to give Chef a Double Flying Five Fist Monkey Nut Punch. Unlikely it will dislodge Chef's fat head from his posterior, but it's worth a shot.
If that doesn't work,let me
If that doesn't work,let me have a shot with ex-lax and a plunger.
"Two people live here, and
"Two people live here, and you're one of them."
or
"Are your arms broken?"
I remember
When Rags posted about a guy he knew that had a nice office job and basically blew it because he had some disagreement with the management or something or other I thought "there goes Chef!"
I can't count how many times that happened with Chef. He has had office jobs, but he would always quit them because he wants to work manual labor for fear of getting fat. Even on blue collar jobs he would often come home and say "I quit my job today" even though he knows he has hefty CS obligations. The problem is employers feed his ego. Because he is such a model employee, artiste and a good worker that when he quits, they begged to have him back. This is despite his terribly short fuse and having to be head rooster all the time (no humility).
The one time I said "I wish I could quit my job but we have bills to pay" he became enraged as though I was implying he wasn't earning his keep.
When I got laid off many years back, he was working with a co-worker. And the coworker turned to him and said what are you going to do? Even the co-worker realized that I was the breadwinner and it was serious trouble for me to be out of a job.
Of course they get enraged
Of course they get enraged because they're getting called out on their bullshit
Chef is a clown. He can imply
Chef is a clown. He can imply all day long but it doesn't make it true.
Let’s see.
JUST SAY NO....Do it yourself,... Hire someone....you need a gardener...... Go to Hel*.
Immediatley hand Chef management of his own business.
See how he learns instantly that white collar skills are every bit as critical as blue collar skills.
There is a reason why blue collar workers generally work for white collar workers. One has discrete training progressions to work through and discrete skills to master. The other has continuously changing systems, environments, and variables ot navigate.
I have absolute respect for skilled trades workers. They are incredibly tallented. I have made a very good career out of leading blue collar service businesses. I cannot do what I do without skilled trades workers. The crafts people who are the core of my businesses are awe inspiring.
However, managing the profitability of blue collar service industries is not an easy thing to do and requires skills just as critical as performing the trades. My specialty is industrial maintenance organizational leadership. Understanding of broad industry best practices, knowledge of preventative, predictive, condition based maintenance practices, computer based maintenance management systems (CMMS), FMEA, RCA, MTBF, MTTR, OEE, Equipment & Material criticality, maintenance P&S, integration with the S&OP processes, partnerong with operations, etc......
A related business cannot succeed without both blue and white collar roles. Whether that business operates in the residential space, commercial space, or industrial space. Effective collaboration between the blue collar workers and white collar workers keeps everyone working and earning. People who do not value the contribution of their co-workers, regardless of the color of the collar they work under, are not worthy of investing in the development of.
IMHO of course.
I know there is a complicated back story as to why you don't
I know there is a complicated back story as to why you don't want to leave him, but I can not understand why you continue to stay with him. He doesn't appreciate you and apparently you still have to do all the physical labor in addition to all of the non-physical stuff. What does he ever do?
I deal with similar stuff
I deal with similar stuff although I refuse to do manual work because I do a lot already. Exes never worked or contributed a penny to the household and he was helping them with housework while staying at home. He went so far as to continue paying all bills after he separated from BM2 who ran out utilities and all kinds of stuff while telling him there will be a reunion until she found his replacement lol
We are truly punished for their history. For years I contributed financially and always made sure to work but I drew the line a few years ago and will not help financially anymore. When I cant keep up between work and housework or I decide to sleep in, i am told that i am lazy. I told him that it was rich when his exes never worked a day and he said they were "self employed". I responded that I didnt know sex work and day drinking were businesses but if you put it that way, I understand lol
I honestly quit caring. I let them wreck the house and I will only clean up when I have the energy for it. Not a dime comes from my account to support anything and thats how it will remain...
I dont want to offend you because I am in the same boat but I think our husbands might treat us like that because they are making us pay and also because they dont really love us like they did with exes. Thats my theory but I could be wrong who knows. Who cares! What matters is that you have yourself and if you dont want to do anything or are tired, never force yourself. Relax and let go!