Update to Working With Opposite Sex
I know I give this man too many chances. I do it because he does have good qualities. I just put all the bad things on here. But I don't think he understands relationships because of what he has been through. We talked a lot about the lie and I told him he must be honest with me. He said he worries so much about my temper. I will admit that I do get angry but it is because he is is hard headed and I think that makes me raise my voice a little and get upset. And just after this talk I now realized that all he thinks is a temper is my opinion not being his. Examples: You all know that SD is pretty much no contact . Yesterday was her 18th birthday . He had wished her Happy Birthday and then later he said she called to tell him that she got into a certain college (now remember this guy get so exited when his kids actually call him and he never sees what the real picture is). So he should have just stopped the conversation there. But he continues, I don't know why no one has asked me what I was going to be able to contribute. He said especially since this college is more then the other one she was considering. He said I can only do a set amount and BM should be asking me. I simply said it doesn't matter about BM once SD graduates you don't owe BM an explanation or money anymore concerning SD. He acted all confused. I said once child support is done legally then you are done with BM for that child. That is the law. Whatever you do for SD is between you and SD and SD can figure stuff out with BM. I did not raise my voice or come across mean in any way. He said this is why I don't like to tell you because you are getting a temper. Then right after that he says that SS has a private batting lesson SUnday morning because the one he had while SO was out of town was cancelled by the teacher. He said even though he hasn't seen SS for several days he wants BM to take him to see how horrible SS attitude is and how bad he is at batting because she won't believe SO . I said I don't think it matters if she sees it or not she won't take him out of it. He said she hates SS playing baseball and if he is going to play he needs to know how to bat. He said there is so much time and money being spent on this kid to play on a better team and have these lessons he needs to learn. I said he is going on 17 can he really learn if he doesn't already know. I said know someone who teaches and said it hey have played since T-ball and can't hit that once they are a certain age they just don't have it. He said parents insist he teach them and it is just taking money for no reason. I said it is not worth you getting mad that SS can't hit because BM will put him in whatever any way. Just let the kid play. SO said but it is costing me time and money. I said then you and BM have to get on the same page. Again he said it was my temper. I told him I both these instances we were having a conversation and it was my opinions that he is calling my temper. I said this is not just his life and I am not just along for the ride. I said if you are telling me these things and talking about them I need to respond if it is affecting me. He put his head in his hands and was crying. Yes I know maybe I should have just let him talk about the turd kids but when he is saying things that definitely aren't right I have to speak up. I don't think he understands a relationship. Even though I think he tries he may never get it.
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Claiming you have a temper
Claiming you have a temper when you communicate your opinion then crying when you disagree with him about his kids means either he's just an emotionally sensitive guy or he's using his emotions to manipulate you to think how he thinks about those kids
He is a sensitive guy and he
He is a sensitive guy and he has a lot going on right now. He said that he knows the things I say and I don't have to tell him. But I told him he doesn't always think with his head , he jumps the gun with his emotions and that is what he bases his decisions on. I want to be understanding but if he is talking to me about things I do have opinions. Whether he likes them or not. And I can tell you that most of the time my opinion is the truth of what is happening.He says when he asks me something for my input he wants me to answer that question not deliberate everything. But things don't always have a black or white answer. So the story with SD and college was a set up for BM to start about the amount of money. I knew it. It wasn't SD letting daddio know about it. BM was asking if she should go the more known college even though it is more money because it is a more known college. SO said there is no reason to spend more money if it is the same degree. But she is with SO like he is with me. SO opinion doesn't matter to her. She said she will let SD decide. So then he said should I put it out there that I am only able to give SD a couple hundred a month. I of course started to say too much. He said can you just answer the one question. I said I can but that doesn't explain why. But I said yes tell her because if she thinks your going to front this college she needs to know you are not. He told her and she stopped texting. It is not that I don't think a dad should help with college. But he has had to pay child support and wasn't able to save up and now that the kids are just cruel to him why should he break himself to pay for college.
Toxic gaslighting tears.
This guys intellect and manipulative tactics are on the ropes. Stick to your guns and keep him on the ropes.
Keep calling his DARVO bullshit in real time. Training a failed partner with baggage how to adult is a never ending journey.
No... I'm sorry.. here is the
No... I'm sorry.. here is the bottom line.
Either you are an angry shrew.. and he should be glad to be rid of you.
OR
He is a gaslighting toxic AH who is deflecting all his negative emotions regarding his failure as a father onto you.
To be clear.. there is no middle ground.. he is not a "nice guy" he is either scapegoating you.. or you are, in fact, a kind of crappy person about his kids and have anger issues.. I think you, and you alone know where the truth is there.
I commented on the other post
I commented on the other post.. either you are a jerk.. or he is gaslighting.. the bottom line ... I think it's the latter.
Yea, gaslighting is what came
Yea, gaslighting is what came to my mind when reading this.
How many jerks do you know
How many jerks do you know who agonize over whether or not they are a jerk?
exactly... he is using his
exactly... he is using his wittle emotions.. to make her constantly question her sanity in this relationships.
He is a very emotional man
He is a very emotional man but you are right, I do think some of it is because he wants me to feel like I am insane in the way I think. I have now told him I am done just being here to be part of his life, that I am not here for the ride to do whatever he says. I have opinions and they matter. He is now starting to turn everyone of my opinions on anything into me having a temper. I think he is so overwhelmed by all his crap that he isn't seeing reality. Just this morning we were talking about how we need to save money. We are getting much needed updates on our house. We were talking and it was just that. I have to say this that I always have to arrange my family for his on holidays. On Thanksgiving we went early to his parents and they were to eat at 1 and the turkey wasn't even done until 2. I think it was on purpose so that grandma had more time with the SKs. I had to be taken home before they ate because of my family. I want to also add that me and my siblings spouses have all lost our parents. Very early in life. I am the oldest by far and I need to do for my family. Because of the time constraints with his family I have to order food instead of cooking and it is extremely expensive. So we are thinking of ways to save. I suggested that I don't go to his parents for Christmas me I stay home and prepare food. It was again my temper. And for what so that we look a happy family for his parents who now know the truth anyway.
Next time he mentions your
Next time he mentions your "temper", produce a dictionary, make him read the definition of the word. He seems to think that any disagreement/discussion/opinion that differs from his is a sign of a "temper". WRONG! It's merely a sign of character... Does he really believe that, in this day and age, a woman isn't entitled to her own opinion, her own viewpoint, without being put down?
Oh yes!
Make him read how pathetic he is.
Great idea WG!!!!
I'm going to put it in
I'm going to put it in another way.
Your husband has poor impulse control.. Everyone has emotions.. he cannot control or moderate his.. That is a HIM problem.. but he makes it your problem.. and just like weaponized incompetence.. he uses it as a tool to control you.
His commitment to be pathetic and gaslighting you is incredible.
What could possibly be tolerable about this nasty maniplator that you tolerate him in your life?
Doing nothing solves nothing.
Tears as manipulation is the ultimate betrayal of you and the ultimate proof of him being a gaslighting manipulative waste of your time.
Save yourself.
Living your best life cannot happen with this guy. It is long past time to show him your actual temper, rip him a new asshole, and purge he and his tragically parented spawn from your life.
IMHO of course.
I sincerely believe this man
I sincerely believe this man is an expert gaslighter. The fact that he was able to take something that HE did wrong (he lied to you!) and switch it around so that you're analyzing past arguments and justifying his behavior as a misguided reaction to your difference of opinion? Just, no. He redirected your attention by bringing up past stuff so that you would forget what you're upset with him about at this moment, which is the fact that he directly and intentionally lied to you.
If you honestly think he doesn't know how to have a
If you honestly think he doesn't know how to have a relationship and that he considers you voicing your opinion as having a temper, then he needs therapy. Will he do it? While you are trying to figure all of this out, your best bet is to quit saying anything about his kids. Let him vent and answer with non commital things like "really" or "wow" or simply nod. Change the topic as soon as you can.
For what it is worth, I think he is gaslighting you. He knows exactly what he is doing. If he won't go to therapy, have you considered it for just yourself?
Is it me, or did this guy
Is it me, or did this guy somehow divert the attention away from the main reason OP posted. His crying about the skids and OP's temper completely overshadowed his being caught in a lie about his coworker.
He was probably trying to
He was probably trying to divert. I have not let it slide. We are still working on that also. He has apologized a lot and says he knows it was wrong . He actually had her on speaker phone when we were both at home working. He didn't know I could hear. It sounded only like work. It wasn't even anything like how are you, hope your day is good. It was just work. I have told him no matter what he thinks is my "temper " I must be told things especially when I was asking. It was not just omitting.
You tell him you know he is
You tell him you know he is lying about his coworker and you show him proof. He says it's because of your temper. A short while later, he brings up several other issues that he knows upset you even more. You get upset, which he knows will happen because you've gotten upset about these issues for years. He produces tears and then says "SEE! This is why i have to lie!"
Oh, yeah
You're right. I hadn't connected the dots...
A couple more thoughts...
Can DH just tell SD and BM that can contribute x amount towards college? If she chooses the more expensive school, she will have to make up the difference.
The next time you give your opinion and he accuses you of losing your temper, show him what loosing your temper really entails! Once he experiences your real temper, maybe he will figure out that it very different from simply stating your opinion.