Newby desperate for advice - fair advice only
Hello
I have been married for 14 years brought 2 kids to the marriage he brought 3 daughters and now we have alovely son of 13 together. As you can imagine ALLOT has gone on but i am at the point of leaving. His eldest daughter now 26 has always refused to have much to do with me, and Ive had the usual rude behavior . I haven't actually done anything other than marry her father when she was 12 even tho it was her mum who had an affair and left the marriage. I have genuine sympathy for her and know its a tough time to go through that kind of thing but she hates my guts to an abnormal level.
So I always knew she would never invite me to her wedding (she said aged 18 with no boyfriend to her father when she got married unless he came without me he wouldnt be coming! _ not even a boyfriend in sight and shes thinking that!) anyway this Jan I saw a text on his phone (yes sorry i do check) saying she was getting married on the maama mia island in Greece and she wanted to know if he was coming. usual husband behavior he hadn't replied (so no doubt she thought I was giving him a hard time) so after 5 days waiting for him to tell me I got my head round it all and said Ive seen shes invited you oh dear sort of thing very difficult but ofcourse you need to go. She hadn't even invited our son which i found very upsetting but i genuinely was so proud of myself how i reacted, and we had a big cuddle and he said nothing would ever split us up and he loved me and was mad at her but what can he do. My husband said he didn't really want to go as would be awkward with his ex and her new hubby etc and he'd be on his own so i said no worries lets make a family holiday of it and you go to the wedding and me and our son can do something nice that day then everybody is happy.I was so pleased and it was lovely to see my husband happy that we had a plan to cope with a situation we had always dreaded. So he texted her saying yes he would love to come to which she replied I need to make it clear SHE ie me isnt invited. I still kept calm so he texted back saying yes you've made that clear but we are coming on holiday as a family and just I will come to the wedding. She didnt reply back to that as I knew shed be pretty pissed i hadn't caused a scene or acted up.
So the next thing is i find out from him shes phoned him and said im not allowed on the island!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SOOOOOOOOOO can you imagine how I felt but i thought Im going to have to see how you react to this im not gona start getting upset telling you what you can and cant do, this is up to you now and i waited for 2 months and he didn't get back to her to say that wasnt going to happen. He had said he thought she was being vindictive and was out of order but he didnt actually say so no i wont be coming. I felt so hurt. If i brought it up he would just clam up so I left home when he was away working. I was gone for 6 weeks but its difficult when you do love somebody and so I slipped back into the relationship to then find out shes pregnant. Ofcourse I will never get to see the baby or be with him when he holds his first grandchild and its breaking my heart.
I am so close to my kids, we have a beautiful home in rural France, people probably look at me and think wow shes so lucky. My husband adores me, our son is so precious and has an idyllic childhood and hes the best dad in the world to him. So i have so much to be happy for but its tearing me up and i don't know if I should stay and cope with the hurt or just get out and try my best to move on and remove myself from such an ongoing hurtful situation. I feel its toxic and could very well make me ill.
I would love some advice - its easy to say leave him but it would be nice to receive experience of people who have stuck it out and its got better?
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Thankyou - when i left our
Thankyou - when i left our home i left our son with his dad because i felt so guilty. I lived just round the corner so saw him all the time but they are like best buddies and it was the best thing. We are both nice people so I know we could make a separation work for our son as in we would both do everything possible for it to work out. I would be on my own tho in rural france so it feels very scarey and one for the reasons i agreed to move here was to get away from the SD situation but in doing so i have had to leave my own daughter 25 who i am extremely close too and i do feel resentful. My husband continually told me theres no way my kids would end up living close to us ad they are both clever went to unis etc but they have Andhis daughters literally live round the corner from where we used to in the UK so its upsetting as the life i would have wanted would be to be near my kids and gramnd kids and now ive sort of lost everything to try and make it work with him and i feel he let me down.
Sorry No I left because he
Sorry No I left because he didn't stand up for me or our son. She has always been difficult, but to me this is down right nastiness and just out to hurt me and to force him into hurting me which he has allowed. She has now postponed the wedding until 2015 so I now have it hanging over me not knowing what will happen, how he will react etc. I agree I wouldn't WANT to go to her wedding but she is succeeding in splitting my family up which i always said i wouldn't put up with> We split amicably 7 years ago with me saying he needed to find somebody who could cope with this situation. He begged me to stay and said he would never ever agree to go anywhere i want also invited to or excluded from but i always knew he would because hes a sweet guy and hates upsetting people.It makes me feel isolated from my husband and im not sure its healthy or what i want to have two separate families. He says I am his best friend but he found out she is expecting a boy and didnt even tell me because out two lives are shut off and i hate it and its really sad.
When the kids were growing up he would never come out with me and my kids in fear of bumping into his own kids so i pretty much was a single mum everything i did for my kids i had to do for his re money etc so if my daughter wanted riding lessons if i couldnt afford to pay for his my daughter didnt get them etc etc. i put up with ll that because i actually respec that about him hes a great dad and a lovely guy but now im viewing it as weakness. Hes not getting the best from either of his worlds. they want him to exclude me and be on his own with them, im hurt and feel left out and why should he then be part of my kids lives and be my best friend. i certainly would never allow somebody i loved to be treated nasty by anybody including my kids.
Very hard 8( I just cant get my head round knowing he has a grand child i will never see him hold
Thankyou but their is no way
Thankyou but their is no way he would take me on holiday. Shes apparently worried she may bump into me and it would ruin it for her. I have many friends my family love me to bits my kids adore me and I just don't get it. Her two sisters are ok with me but she just ruins everything and they are loyal to her after all she is blood so I can see it turning into all three of them soon as apparently they are not speaking to me now because I left their dad. He wont do anything positive about that he just likes to let things go over his head andhope for the best even tho after 14 years he really should know by now that doesnt work. Men hey
I won't suggest that you
I won't suggest that you leave him bc I think you would regret it. Its really loving and patient of you on how you have reacted and done your best to support your husband. I can't imagine how mentally tiring that must be for you. Are you starting to develop hard feeling towards your husband over his reaction or lack of reaction towards the SD26?
I feel that if you are, you could be giving your husband wrong messages even though your trying to be strong and supportive. If you are willing to jump hoops for him, then it doesn't give him motivation to change the situation.
Does SD own this Island? If not, what is she really going to be able to do when you step foot on it? She needs tough love and she is the way she is bc it doesn't sound like her dad had put an end to her behavior towards you and himself for whatever given reasons. I see her dad as allowing it all the way to be honest. Should that be the case, the good news is that he can change things with or without his grown daughter. He should put his foot down with her and let her choose what she wants out of their relationship. By him doing so too, that will help her in the long run.
If you guys are a happy husband and wife without the SD issues, don't give her that much power and allow her to cause you and DH to break up or end up divorced. She doesn't reside with you which is huge and if she says "no" to your being there, then the answer should be "no" to you both coming. Her choice her loss, they are her emotions she will have to learn how to deal with. If your husband won't provide that for you guys as a pair that you are then he is not being a healthy father or husband.
Now if she wants one on one time with her dad, I think she should learn how to treat her dads wife with respect first. She is a grown woman and needs to grow up and start acting like an adult.
Dreadful situation. I face
Dreadful situation. I face some of this myself in the years to come as my youngest stepchild, SS15 refuses to have a relationship with me. I can't see it changing as he grows up because unfortunately in step matters these children often seem to get stuck in a negative mindset about their stepparent and are then never able to reexamine things or let them go. Your husbands paralysis over the situation in which he won't even tell you about things is also par for the course with my own husband who would rather cut off a finger than confront these stressful emotional sutuations.
The way I see it, agreeing to accompany him on a holiday but not attend the wedding was a mature magnanimous choice on your part. He is undoubtedly in a difficult position so I see why he wanted to go and put up with his daughters silliness. However, her response takes petty and vindictive to new heights and in my view your husband should draw a line and tell his daughter that. Otherwise he's not just supporting her right to decide who attends her wedding, he's endorsing an obvious snd unacceptable act of spite. He should tell her that he loves her and wants to be at her wedding but her last condition is petty and unfair and he cannot attend if you and your son are not even allowed on the island, and she needs to move on and get over the grudge she has.
The main thing to remember is that for whatever petty reason this girls main aim is to get to you. If you leave your husband or allow her antics to divide you, she wins. Don't let her win, you and your family with DH are too important for that.
That is exactly how I feel
That is exactly how I feel and exactly what I needed from him. But I didnt get it. I dont want to have to tell him what to do that isnt fair on anybody so if he doesnt naturally have those feeling of protectiveness towards me what am i to do? You are right why should she ruin our lives but then really is it her or is it his lack of strength that would split us up.
To me it would be simple to say I really want to come to the wedding but would feel awkward being on holiday with my ex wife and her husband and family etc so this is a loving compromise. But as you say it is an emotional paralysis.
Oh and if he doesn't want to
Oh and if he doesn't want to confront her about it he should just ignore her text and take you and BS to the island anyway as originally planned. Or stay on the neighbouring island of Skiathos, which is where the airport is anyway. It's a 50 minute boat ride to Skopalos and from what I read its overcrowded and a bit disappointing after the movie hype. If she tries to ban you from the greek islands, or Greece, or Europe it would be TOO hilarious! DH can island hop back to you after wedding and YOU won't need to worry about running into SD!
Thats a plan!
Thats a plan!
I think not even being on the
I think not even being on the same island is over the top ridiculous. It's one thing to say 'SM is not invited to wedding', but the frick'n island? Is your DH paying for this wedding?
OP, your SD is a nasty self entitled little witch...the saddest part is your husband totally entertains and enables this behavior out of her. I would not want to attend her wedding, but no way would my DH agree to leaving me home and off the island. She's taking 'control' to the max. Plan your own holiday. Take your son and go back to your old home and holiday with your daughters and their families. I wouldn't worry one more minute about SD's silly childish ways and her wedding.
Wow, not only not invited to
Wow, not only not invited to the wedding but completely banned from the island, your SD has some serious issues. For me personally, I would be glad to not be invited to the wedding, you don't have to go and fake nice or that you're happy for her. But she doesn't get to say that your not allowed on the island, she's not the boss of you!!
In my experience with my SD everything is a struggle for power. She must know that she has the upper hand over me and that my DH loves her more than he could ever love me. That she will always come first and that DH's life revolves around her. SD does not understand that my DH's love for me and his love for her are two completely different things. She seems to be stuck like Step Aside said above, she will not evolve.
Your SD is still in the power struggle and your DH is allowing her to win. It is up to him to decide he won't allow this behaviour any longer. You are his wife and family, he should not allow her to blatantly disrespect you in such a way.
Thanks everybody I appreciate
Thanks everybody I appreciate your comments. It does get into a battle and maybe if I leave the battle their cant be one any more. It eats away at me because I imagine similar situations in the future, so it makes me back away from him because I know im going to get hurt and he will allow it because hes to scared to confront them Not a nice way to live.
Apparently his other 2 daughter's aren't happy to mix with me now because I left him. I dont understand it, my children would support me whatever my situation was because they love me and want to see me happy.
Would like to add its amazing
Would like to add its amazing how many of you accept the 'not being invited to the wedding' as almost acceptable and normal. My husband has to go to the wedding and mix with his ex wife who hes been amazing too and the man she had an affair with. He will do that out of love for his daughter, thats normal family stuff. I think maybe we are all in a similar situation and got into a way of feeling about ourselves that we think its normal to be treated so badly and disrespected. It really isn't acceptable in any other situation. I would never ever go anywhere my husband or children were not accepted or respected.
I don't think any of us think
I don't think any of us think of it as acceptable or normal, but it does seem to be a not unusual occurance for a stepmother to not be accepted by one or more stepchildren and for the Dad to struggle to face up to it and deal with it. Like you I find it hard to imagine allowing one of my own children to behave that way, or tolerate Dh being excluded by my family, but I suspect that many women are just more emotionally literate and able to mediate and pursuade than some of these men. Their overriding feeling is fear of losing the relationship with their child. Ultimately your DHs inability to talk to his daughter about what she's doing and sort out her issues with you symbolises a fundamental lack of closeness and intimacy with her. That's a shame for both of them but not your responsibility, ultimately it's you that he has a truely close, loving relationship with, and SD knows that, that's why she was so frustrated when she found out you were going to be with her father on holiday that she could not stop herself lashing out with petty spite to reiterate her exclusion of you. Take some satisfaction in that, she does not have the power here. And ultimately she's an adult, she is no longer involved in either of your lives on a frequent or regular basis and by remaining hostile to you she is banishing herself to the periphery of her fathers family. I hope you sort this out with DH and enjoy a delightful holiday in the Greek islands not seeing SD.
I was not invited to a HS
I was not invited to a HS graduation, and a college move in day, but we haven't had any weddings yet. But I don't think I'm far behind you with that. My opinion is your husband should just say to his daughter, ' if SLTJ isn't invited, then I won't be attending either'. Eventually, he has to step up and do this. It might make a difference and make her become more accepting and mature and it might not. My ex husband (yea I've been through this twice now) did that with his kids, and it was just a matter of time before they accepted me and marriage. My step sons were in late teens and early 20's when this happened. Incidentally, this was the advice that his own mother gave him once when she was visiting us. She asked why I wouldn't be going to dinner with them and he told her the kids want nothing to do with me, and she said, 'then you shouldn't be going to dinner with them either'. He didn't and that was the beginning of his standing up to them, and it wasn't long that things changed.
I guess I'm lucky - neither
I guess I'm lucky - neither of my SS's ever graduated from anything or had a wedding. And horrible BM had the funeral for the older son without notifying DH that he'd died because DH had moved in with me. (20 years after their divorce)
Forget about not ever seeing the grandkid. Why would you want to? There are babies born everyday. Not your kid, not your grandkid.
You need to have a frank conversation with your DH about what the future is going to bring. And then you need to do what is best for you.
This would be a deal breaker
This would be a deal breaker for me; I could not live with DH allowing me to be disrespected this way by his family/child. I would lose all respect for him. But many of the ladies here are okay and it works for them. You need to decide if this is a deal breaker for you.
I have said today that I will
I have said today that I will promise whatever to stay till xmas and stop with the upset and see how we go - I really appreciate everybody advice and experience. We have a lovely son together and a beautiful home and part of me thinks why should she spoil this so I will try my best. The baby will be born before Xmas and Xmas is always a nightmare so I will see how we go but am determined if I do have to walk away I can hold my head high and know I have tried my very best and more. thankyou