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Father's Day was great...

Rhinodad's picture

...after SD7 left to go to her father's house at noon.

My DW does a lot of stuff for me, and she always goes overboard on Father's Day. I had breakfast in bed, so that started off a good day, but as soon as I was out of bed it was SD7 being an idiot until she left at noon. So the morning sucked, but the rest of the day was better.

In the morning every Sunday we have BS3's swim lessons, and we all go - even on weekends when we have SD7, she has to come along. She usually does not complain because DW lets her play games on her phone the whole time. Well, not today... it was constant whining and bitching about how she didn't want to go. I get it, though, it is boring for her. However, in addition to the whining, she was purposefully not listening to me or DW when we asked her to do things - put away her toys, get dressed, put on her shoes, brush her teeth, etc. We'd have to tell her 4-5 times and we just did not have time for that. As we're leaving she decides that she needs to clean up the legos she was playing with... but we're walking out the door. DW has to tell her at least 5 times to stop what she is doing and come on. SD7 keeps complaining about how its not fair, she just wants to clean up (literally the first time I've ever seen this child WANT to clean up)... really she is just doing it to be a PITA.

So then we go to the lessons and SD is getting an attitude in the car whenever DW or I try to talk to her, so we just tell her to sit there and be quiet. We get to the lessons and DW lets SD use her phone to play games (I wouldn't have after SD's attitude, but whatever). So I sit in the pool area watching Bs3 swim and after he's done, DW takes him to the changing room and I gather his stuff and go ask SD7 to get out of the chair so we can go. SD7 ignores me. I say it again, and she says "Not right now, I'm playing a game." I was pretty furious - this kid is incredibly disrespectful to ALL adults, and of course worse with me. I tell her "get up right now or I'm taking the phone away." So she makes a big production about it but comes over to the door. I try to talk to her about how much BS3 likes the lessons and that maybe we should sign her up too (she loves to swim). She looks at me and yells "I already know how to swim!" In the middle of the swim place - I was taken aback and said to her evenly: "Do not yell. Yes, you know how to swim a little bit, but can you do what BS3 is learning to do? Jump in and come up floating on your back? Can you swim 10 meters with your head under water? I'm saying it is good to know how to swim in case you are ever in trouble in the water." SD7 starts yelling again "I know how to swim! I don't need lessons, you are so mean! I'm a good swimmer, I'm not a baby!"

I had had enough. I tell her, quietly and forcefully to shut her mouth, she is not to speak to me like that. Then I go look in the changing room and tell DW that SD7 and I are going out to the car. I grab SD7's arm and haul her out to the car, pretty much dragging her. I tell her to give me the phone, she's lost that privilege, and to sit down and be quiet. I look at her and say: "You are VERY lucky I'm only your stepfather. Because if I was your Dad I would have smacked you for the way you just spoke to me. You DO NOT speak to adults like that - you shouldn't speak to ANYONE like that." She starts to argue - and I tell her "If you so much as say ONE more word to me, you are going to spend the rest of the day standing in the corner with nothing to do." I guess she got the point, she was quiet until DW got there and asked what was going on. DW asks Sd7 if it was true and SD7 starts yelling at DW about how I'm so mean, she doesn't need swimming lessons, she's not a baby, etc. DW grabbed her and told her if she knows what is best she better not raise her voice again. That she was going to have to stand in the corner when she got home, etc. So, Sd pouts all the way home, DW makes her stand in the corner for 30 minutes and then apologize... again she has no idea why she is apologizing so I tell her I can't accept the apology. She runs to the sofa puts her face in the pillow and screams, then throws the pillow down and starts groaning, fake crying, etc. Basically trying to make DW and I feel bad for her. Not happening... DW puts her back in the corner for another 30 minutes...

And then it was time for her to go to her Dad's. She left, was forced to say goodbye to me and whisper "Happy Father's Day" by DW.

After that, Father's Day got much better! Played with Bs3 for a while, and then DW took me on a brewery tour at a local brewery and cooked be a great steak dinner while BS3 and I played trucks together. So, everything after about noon was the idea father's day... too bad SD7 ruined the morning.

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Drac0's picture

Wow! SD7 certainly is a handful! I don't think I would have said "If I was your Dad..." because I always fear comments like that would come back to haunt me "You are NOT my father!!!"

Other than that, I think getting a brewery tour is an awesome Father's Day gift! Lucky you!

Rhinodad's picture

Meh, I've already got that from her. She also refers to herself sometimes as Cinderella (only when I'm around to hear it). I may not be her father, but I am her parent. As long as she is living under my roof she needs to treat me as such.

Yes, the brewery tour was pretty cool and something I've been wanting to do for a while.

Drac0's picture

OOH! She would hate me as a stepfather! I would TOTALLY play up to that! I'd wake her ass up at dawn with some bell ringing and shouting "CINDERELLLLAAAAAAA!" and have her perform menial chores all day!

Rhinodad's picture

I have no doubt she talks to her father like that. In fact, BioDad's new GF told my DW the other day that SD talks to GF like that too (this when DW was dropping SD off at her fathers house). She has also spoken to my parents like that and my MIL - so I know it is not just me.

thinkthrice's picture

I'm amazed your DW and you are on the same page as regards SD's attitude! If that had been the BM in my case, she would have torn stepdad a new one. NO one (not even the BM herself) is allowed to discipline her poor widdle babykins snookum wookums (they're teens now except YSS who is 11 1/2)

Good for you and DW to nip it in the bud!!

moeilijk's picture

It seems a theme here is that SD's behaviour is:

bad = gets rewarded,
bad = talking-to & rewarded,
bad = talking-to & severely punished.

Wouldn't it be easier and less confusing if her behaviour was rewarded/punished consistently?

7 yo twice 30 minutes in the corner is a lot. She's yelling and screaming because she's frustrated. If she's in the corner, 7-10 minutes, when she comes out, you TELL her what she did wrong and tell her to apologize for her behaviour. Then you accept her apology and everyone moves on.

The way it played out, it took up a lot of time and energy and nothing actually got resolved.

Rhinodad's picture

The problem is, at about the 7-10 mark in the corner she starts talking her shit again, and her time in the corner gets extended. Soemtimes it takes less than 2 minutes.

Even when we pull her out at 5 minutes, tell her why what she did was wrong and tell her to apologize, it makes no difference. She doesn't UNDERSTAAAAAAND why it was wrong, and its not FAIIIIIIIR that she has to apologize.

She just doesn't care is the problem, because she knows eventually she's going to go to Disney Dad's and get away with everything there.

moeilijk's picture

Then why bother with any punishment at all?

If she's in the corner, who cares what she says? If she's yapping but staying put and no one is engaging with her, let her. Ignore her until it's close to the 7 minutes. Then wait until she stops before you go to her.

If you go to her at whatever minutes and she starts up again, then you tell her, "SD, do you need more time to calm down in the corner? I'm ready for you to apologize, but I can wait until you're ready too." And then she stays in the corner until she stops, or she apologizes.

If you tell her what she did wrong and tell her to apologize, this isn't a discussion!! You say, "SD, you were put in the corner because you were rude to Rhinodad. You yelled and were disrespectful. That behaviour is not ok. Tell Rhinodad you're sorry for being rude."

If you get the apology, great - you accept the apology and move on with xyz activity.

If not, you repeat, "SD, you were put in the corner because you were rude to Rhinodad. You yelled and were disrespectful. That behaviour is not ok. Tell Rhinodad you're sorry for being rude." If she doesn't, then you say, "SD, before we can move on with our fun day, you have to apologize to Rhinodad for being rude. You will stay here in the corner until then." But not-apologizing is not a discussion! There is no back and forth!!! Either she starts with Sorry, or you cut her off!!!

She DOES care, very much. That's why she's doing all this screaming about apologizing. She can behave in the way that's ok at DisneyDad's, and in the way that's ok at school, and in the way that's ok with you guys. DisneyDad is no excuse for DW to not be a consistent parent in your home.

Would you be ok with BS3 behaving this way? How would you stop it? Do the same thing for SD. (Well, not you since DW is inconsistent and doesn't back you up. But theoretically speaking.)

Drac0's picture

Part of the problem is that SD7 is a lot like my SS when he was that age. They are easily frustrated because they feel there is a lot in their life that in not in their control and they do not know how to deal with that frustration. Even if Rhino-Dad and his DW are consistent in their punishment/discipline (and from what I have read they are), the fact that this kid lives/spends time in two homes with different rules adds to their frustration and confusion.

My MIL said it to my DW a hundred times "It's OK for a kid to feel angry and frustrated. How else are they going to learn to deal with it?". Unfortunately my DW, who is like many of the bio-Moms and bio-Dads we read about on this site, honestly feel that if their kid is unhappy, that they are a failure as a parent and are more concerned about making the kid happy again (guilty parenting).

moeilijk's picture

Let's say OP's SD is almost the same as your SS.

It's still on the parents to help the kid learn to handle frustration. Standing in the corner for an hour isn't helping. Neither are constant talking-to's nor the inconsistent consequences.

I don't agree they've been consistent based on the OP's last two skid-related posts. IMHO, consistency is x behaviour = y consequence. No x behaviour = multiple arguments and escalates into yelling and eventually kid has to stand in the corner for an hour and still shows frustration and a lack of comprehension about what they did wrong.

I agree, it's a legit issue - two homes with different expectations, a lack of control in their lives, and a lot of frustration as a result.

The solution is to be VERY consistent. Then there is ONE home with CLEAR expectations, consequences and rewards, and a lot of room to exert control. Lack of consistency stifles kids because they don't KNOW what's ok and what's not. Of course kids will cross lines and break rules and test boundaries, but it *should* be a matter of BOOM, rule broken, consequence meted out, we're done and moving on to something fun. Wow, how much control is that!!

Compared to rule broken, complaints and bad feelings, escalation of negative interaction and bad feelings, tantrums, anger, aggression, exclusion, and feelings of not belonging or being wanted around. And then stand in the corner for an hour.

Rose.Colored.Glasses's picture

That is exactly how my SD acts. I picture her doing every last detail. Except I could nvr do or say any of those things to SD. I'm pretty much expected to ignore SD's offenses by a overly sensitive, guilt parenting FDH and I hate it. Please share your secret.