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Did I do the right thing? Ended relationship over Permissive Parenting

grandcru5858's picture

Hi, any advice on this would be much appreciated. I left my GF quickly after realizing her son was undisciplined. We met online and got to know each other and had so much in common. After the first date I knew this would be a serious long relationship. We even talked about it and made sure we were both honest to build a great foundation. After several dates I finally got to meet her son who is 2.5. The first time we met it was at 11:30pm. I arrived late after work and he got up. I figured we would say hi and he would go back to bed after 10 min. An hour later he is still playing in his toy car I bought him. Finally my GF says time for bed at 12:45am and says to me if I fall asleep just wake me. I said were you going? She says oh he won't go to bed unless I go to bed with him in her bed. I was like ok. For about a half hour he is banging his feet on the wall saying he does not want to go to bed. Hour later she comes out and says sorry. Finally at 3 we go to bed and he sleeps with us because she didn't want him sleeping alone. This was the first sign. Next day he has 2 bottles of milk in the morning and has a pacifier if he doesn't have a bottle. I don't have children but I even know that after a certain point it's bad and becomes depending. Then I notice he screams all the time, runs outside with her chasing him, banging and throwing things. Next time we watched him bang a hammer against the stove and he played with a light bulb that finally smashed. Each time he did something it ended with a hug. Then I noticed nothing was child proof. After watching cartoons all day and night I mentioned maybe he should go to bed before 11pm. I got a major attitude and that conversation ended. She finally would sneak him into his bed but he would come back at 6:30 am but with toys (loud toys). I got up after a toy drill was ringing in my ear and said I have to go and get a coffee. She was suprised by me leaving. When I got back she said you have an attitude! You know this is my son's house and he plays with toys when he wants. I finally said something and she did not want to hear it. Realizing that the girl I loved would not discipline her son, I did research on how someone could love and nuturing their child and not discipline. I found out there are 4 types of parenting and her style was called permissive parenting. It gave some benefits but strongly warned the dangers and stated this was the worst style of parenting. I did not want to give up on the girl I loved and found myself falling for her son too. So I decided to give examples of me not knowing everything, listening to people with experience, researching, ect... Later I would tap dance around the importance of discipline. It always was shut down with an excuse, he's 2, it's the babysitters kids teaching him, he'll grow out of it. One week later after I pulled her pills out of his hand, caught him trying to squirt amonia in his mouth, hitting and abusing my dog and basically doing what he wanted. I told her I am not coming there something has to change. She broke down and told me how hard it was. She couldn't afford child proof locks. So I bought them and child proofed the house. That weekend I could tell she was trying to impress me by telling her son "no" like a hundred times and when I went outside she went right to him to make sure heddidn't run out. I realized this is not going to accomplish anything. The purpose of bringing this all up, was not to impress me. It's for the best interest of you child. Saying no all day does nothing when it means nothing to him. She would just go on that he does know "no". She told me I was right about the child proofing but should not interfere with the discipline until later on. I responded with my fears of this only becoming worse and more importantly this is his development stage. How are we all of a sudden flip his world upside down? This is something that needs to take place gradually and will take a long time. Both of us need to agree on it and that I would be there for her as long as we agreed. Again she would not listen telling me it is the terrible 2 ' s and he is going to grow out of it. This is the point where she lost me. I still told myself I am going to give it the old college try. Maybe if I explained everything

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grandcru5858's picture

Continued: everything with the long term consequences, she would do the research and change her ways. So I wrote a text stating my concerns with - the co-sleeping, pacifiers, 4 bottles of milk a day, not knowing no, running outside, hitting my dog, cartoons all day, crying when he wants something and basically getting what he wants with all the consequences. I explained that all this information with recommendations is on the web. She literally flipped a lid. How dare I tell her how to raise her kid. I am not a parent and her child is not a soldier. Again she told me he was only 2. I sounded like her doctor that questioned his nutrition because of his high BMI. He is 2 and will grow out of it like I told you. He is starting pretty school tomorrow and will start acting different then. I told her well don't send him to prevent school with a binky and 4 bottles. That really pissed her off. How could I say something like that when that's his comfort. I told her if she did her research that most babies are off by 1.5 and I didn't want him to be the only one. Also you can't understand a word he says and that is a major side effect. She went off with who am I to judge. I realized then that it was done. Because I was so mad that she was being so ignorant, I mentioned that maybe if she listened to some people especially her doctor then her son wouldn't have thunder thighs. (Only because he has really fat legs). I know this is unhealthy for the child. That pretty much ended everything. I feel like an a hole for saying what I said at the end. I just cannot understand why someone is so blind. Did I do everything that I possibly could? Did I miss something? I did not want to give up on such a great girl or be mean to her. I just saw a bad future ahead. I am really concerned about the kid and am losing sleep over it. I knew if I kept going I was going to fall into to deep. Are all mothers like tgis? Any suggestions of how I handled it and if there is anything I could do would be greatly appreciated

CompletelyPuzzled's picture

I agree with you leaving. Trust me, it doesn't get better. If she doesn't want to parent her child, there is nothing you can say that will make her. And, I can say from experience that having Skids that don't listen is very hard to deal with. There are tons of women on this board who wish they had left before things got serious. I completely agree with you leaving. However, I do want to say in regards to the thunder thighs comment, that is a little bit of a low blow. The kid is 2. It isn't his fault. He didn't do anything. The child didn't choose his mother. Besides, my daughter is 2. She eats anything and everything. She hasn't been on a bottle since she was about 14 months old. And, she has thunder thighs. My pediatrician says she will grow out of it. And, she has started too.

MamaFox's picture

The only thing I suggest Sir, is to call CPS. She is actually neglecting him by only feeding him bottles, and his developmental rate is according to you in the pits. She's lucky he got accepted to pre-school, most around here wouldn't accept him if he didn't know his ABC's or how to talk at his age level.

Read this, http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/childdevelopment/positiveparenting/toddlers2.html if he can't do most of those things, or even half, you should call CPS.

SugarSpice's picture

i also dont respect adults controlled by their children. dh was like this for most of skids childhood and into early adulthood. he was a total wimp. my brother is also ruled by his son. cant go out for a meal or shop without consulting his son.ditto for choosing his work clothes shirts and ties. i once saw my brother choose a shirt in department store only to put it back on the rack because his son did not approve. son is alsmot 30 and still lives at home and does not work. son belongs in a band and takes only music classes. go figure

snowdrop's picture

good choice leaving. don't need to worry about it. that wasn't working for you, nothing to explain or defend. that's crazy and not a way to live.

snowdrop's picture

you know that it was wrong to insult her kid. you also know that you would have had better results (maybe) if you approached it in a less judgey more supportive way. although I don't think she wanted to change it even iv you were nicer about it so you did the right thing to end it. I think you should take responsibility by apologizing to her about insulting her and her kid. she's not doing things "right" but she's correct to say that you don't know what it's been like for her or how hard it's been...

Living the dream's picture

Good for you! Smile Smile Smile Smile I'm so happy for you I've got tears in my eyes.

I wish I had ended my relationship with my DH while we were still dating, frankly. I noticed then that he was a "Disney Dad," but I allowed my feelings for him to cloud my judgment. These shitty parents don't ever change. Believe me.

You have just dodged a bullet, my friend. You've got a good head on your shoulders, and plenty of ladies are looking for a man like you. Now go find yourself someone without any kids and forego all that BS!

not2sureimsaneanymore's picture

Very happy for you. I can't understand anyone who would do this to their child--to me, it literally IS abuse. My daughter's been using a sippy cup since she was 9 months old (not sure why, she wanted it so we gave it to her) and her binky, although it's available to her, lays forgotten in her room, hasn't touched a bottle even though we occasionally try to offer it to her.

His teeth, speech, etc are all going to be messed up because of it.

If she can't take even the advice of doctors, then sorry, she's really not fit to be a partner, much less a parent. I don't care how hard it is or what she's gone through, there is NO excuse for turning your child into a dependent. As parents, our jobs are to raise our children to be independent as fast as possible in a world so full of dangers so that they may better be able to defend themselves, if, god forbid, something were to happen to us. That's our first and foremost job.

Good for you. This might be a lesson to her as to why guys of worth won't want to date her if she keeps this up.

OrangeUGlad's picture

You were right to leave- but the whole thing was doomed from the beginning.

You decided on the first date you wanted a ltr. No. The after several dates you go to her place to meet her 2 year old and bring him a gift at 11:30?! And spend the night? Letting this child sleep in bed with you?

Ya'all moved too fast.

Her parenting is permissive and that is HER business. Never get into a relationship and try to fix the other person.

I do not agree with the way my dh parents but I don't tell him how to parent. I have given him advice and opinions now and then, privately, but never insisted he do it my way. I learned it is best if I just stay out of it.

If his parenting was so bad that I couldn't live with it, I would leave.

grandcru5858's picture

Thanks everyone for your comments, they have put me at ease today. I have gathered that I definitely made the right decision with leaving. I also understand that I made many mistakes during this tough situation. Yes I do know that I was wrong with insulting her child by saying thunder thighs and I am not proud of it. I regret saying it and apologized to her for saying it. It is nothing the child said or did. I was just so frustrated that such a loving mother would ignore a doctors concern and recommendation and give the doctor an excuse that he is 2 while getting an attitude that the doctor would say something about her child. If I knew more about this situation, I would have responded completely different. I did not know that there was a website like this that could have helped me. All I knew was that I saw something wrong. The something wrong I observed involved a child that I cared about, who had no control of what was going on. My first instinct when I realized this was to research and get as much information as possible so I could understand a little bit better. While I was informed of the serious long term effects of what I considered was wrong, my gut told me to try to inform and help. I saw that I had two great people that I was willing to be around for a long time. They just did things a little different. Her reaction to my concerns told me I had to take a light approach to it. So at the time I did what I thought was right. I so worried about this child's immediate safety and long term consequences that it may have fogged my judgement. All I wanted to hear is that she would be willing to listen to my concerns and work with me on some type of agreement. I did not expect everything to be done my way just some changes to help the child's safety and future. I could not understand why someone would not even consider listening. She knew how much I cared about her and her child. Every time I would bring something up, I would always mention that it is not my intention to be mean. I have always been liked by others because I know I don't know everything and I am always willing to listen even if I do not agree. I realize the importance of experience and always value people's advice. This whole thing was a complete shock to me. I was never mad at the child, I was mad because my GF would not listen to my concerns. Shutting them down always with some sort of an excuse. Every relationship I have always been able to express any concerns while always listening to my partners concerns. This was the first time that my concerns involved a child. It seems that so many people have run into my situation. Why do parents put such blinders on when it comes to their children? Why do partners not understand that it is also difficult for someone coming in and trying to be a parent? It seems to be all about them with no consideration of their partner. This was one of the hardest things I had to do. Just thinking of ways to say something and how my stress it gave me. Nevermind the stress of leaving.

ChiefGrownup's picture

"This was one of the hardest things I had to do. Just thinking of ways to say something and how my stress it gave me."

Truer words were never spoken. Almost all my brain space is taken up with this very thing. Many of us are living like this. My DH openly acknowledges that his and BM's parenting style is permissive. AND he knows that it is associated with worse outcomes for the kids. And he is Mr. Science Guy, he usually loves data and facts! Yet it has still taken me entering the family to get any changes and you're right, it is a huge burden on the new partner. Huge. Just trying to come up with the right words, you betcha, it's extremely stressful. It's no wonder you slipped up.