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SS20 On My Last Nerve

BettyRay's picture

SS20 announced last night that his adviser told him he should quit his part-time job and focus on school full-time. SS20 feels like he needs to do this to get above a 3.0 GPA; right now he's got a 2.5 GPA.

SS20 is a junior at uber expensive university majoring in engineering. He works 16 hours a week, welding, which provides him with tuition and spending money. SS20 lives with us (DH and I) rent free, we also provide health and dental insurance, BM pays for his cellphone and car insurance. SS20 is responsible for gas, car repairs, ancillaries. Both DH (and I) and BM (and SF) contribute money for books and clothes. SS20 also has a small college fund provided by DH and I.

SS20 is involved in the SAE car club, there is no credit for participation. He spends most of his free time (2-3 weekday evenings) on this club. In addition, Friday, Saturday and Sunday, nights are spent with his girlfriend.

DH and I both suggested that before he quits his job he evaluate how he spends his time. DH suggested cutting back on car club and nights out with his girlfriend. I told him that he should evaluate how he currently spends his time during the day and see where changes can be made to incorporate more studying. Consider cutting back on work hours, from 16 to 8 hours a week. I also suggested scheduling study time for the entire trimester, looking at his class schedule and make study appointments for himself. I also suggested joining a study group for difficult classes as working with a group can be helpful when learning difficult concepts.

DH ended the conversation by asking SS20 to discuss this with his BM, SF, and girlfriend, all the people that support him - all the people that are directly affected by this decision.

Honestly, SS20 was very defensive when we were having this discussion. SS20 feels he is managing his time well. DH suggested he could sell his car and take the bus to and from school to save money. As well as having 8 extra hours to study a week if he dropped one night of car club and one weekend night at home studying instead of going out with the girlfriend. We got the stink eye. :O

SS20 is struggling; but a lot of it is his own doing. Last semester he got a D in a core engineering course because he was preoccupied with the SAE car competition. The car took up all his free time and he admitted to me that he let the class go because he was focused on the car and thought the class would be easy.

SS20 is smart and growing up never really had to study - he never learned good study habits. He also grew up being over scheduled, BM had him in a lot of clubs and sports. SS20 also never learned good time management skills because BM and DH (and I and SF) always told him where to be and when.

I feel for him and am mad at him all at the same time. I resent his resistance to commit to his education and grow up. I resent him living with us and rarely helping out. SS20 uses our home as a stop and flop and free buffet.

As I've said in previous posts I lived at home and went to college. During that time I worked 3 jobs and also helped around the house, whatever my parents needed done I did. My life was school and work and chores and a little bit of sleep. SS20 doesn't have that drive, he wants everything handed to him, it's frustrating to witness.

I'm trying to stay disengaged - I realize I didn't last night though. My fear is that SS20 quits his job, takes out more loans to cover tuition, and doesn't bring his GPA up at all because he's screwing around with the SAE car and his girlfriend. DH has made it clear to SS20 that we are not providing him anymore financial support than what he's getting now but it still bothers me.

~BettyRay

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moving_on_again's picture

I am in college full time and work full time. I rarely spend time with friends and what little free time I do have, I try to spend with family. Only 7 more weeks, though, and I graduate. No, it wasn't easy but you have to prioritize.

BettyRay's picture

What an awesome achievement! Work and college, both full-time, so tough you should be very proud of yourself.

~BettyRay

moving_on_again's picture

Thank you! It was hard. I wanted to quit many times. Especially when I missed out on stuff with my kids. But I am in the home stretch now!

hereiam's picture

Time for SS to grow up and get his priorities straight.

It bothers you because you are worried what the consequences will be for you if SS quits his job. Your DH says one thing but may buckle when it comes down to it and that will affect you and your household. No way I could stay out of this situation. I would be adamant that SS get his head on straight and manage his time better so that he can keep his job, or he can move out.

The car club and the GF need to come AFTER his education and his job. If he is not mature enough to realize this, I would certainly help him with that realization. }:)

He lives with you and DH, so you guys make the rules. No job, no more help from you and he can move in with BM or the GF, or whatever.

BettyRay's picture

You are correct it does bother me because is affects me.

"Adult" stepkid issues suck just as much as when they were little.

I'm going to discuss how I feel with DH tonight. I wanted some time to get my thoughts together.

Part of the problem with DH is that he puts SS20 on a pedestal for being in college. DH's parents were not supportive of higher education and DH went to trade school. DH still resents his parents for this.

~BettyRay

hereiam's picture

Going to college is great and DH should be proud, but he should also support and encourage his son in managing life. Also, his son should really be appreciative of all of the financial help that he is getting.

When he's in the real world, without 4 other adults contributing to pay his bills, he will have to learn how to balance and prioritize. It is not the job that is getting in the way. That's what he needs to realize.

After college, when he gets a full time job and has rent to pay, has to buy his own food, has to pay his own car insurance, he cannot tell his boss that he has to cut down his hours because of car club, but would still like his boss to contribute by giving him a full paycheck.

He can go to college and be responsible at the same time and ditching his job is not responsible, not when he has plenty of time for a hobby and a GF.

BettyRay's picture

This exactly!!!

When I tried to point out to SS20 that dumping the job was only one option he got so defensive. I asked him why he is asking our opinion when he's already made up his mind - crickets - SS20 giave me the stink eye. When DH stressed that the time spent on car club could be better spent studying, SS20 got an uber-attitude and was like, "I'm learning things in the club that I will need to know for my degree".

Which may be true BUT the club is worth no credits and doesn't contribute to his GPA. That leaves spending less time with his GF or quitting job. Prioritize, suck it up, sacrifice, SS20 wants it all and that's just not possible.

Part of the problem is his GF. I'm not saying she's not supportive but she took a year off school to earn money to go away to school next year. She's living with her parents and working one part-time job. She plans pretty expensive dates, they attended an NFL game 2 weekends ago (5-hour round trip drive not including the game) and last weekend a haunted corn maze (in a town an hour away from us).

~BettyRay

HowLongIsForever's picture

I'm probably not going to word this correctly but forget the I don't need a job theory in SS's brains at the moment - I'd be far more concerned over the non passing grade in a core class.

D doesn't translate into passing though technically it's not failing. C- doesn't translate into passing. "Cs earn degrees." Anything below a C doesn't count (beyond shrinking your GPA).

Not passing a core class means a do over. And a delay in other classes. Core classes tend to be prereqs to the fun stuff. So twice the money. Twice the time. Depending on program scheduling an availability that little repeat could significantly delay or derail his class schedule beyond one semester.

Not only is he stringing up a D - he's in that territory over carelessness. If he hasn't learned to manage his time he needs to ditch the ECs until he's learned to manage it sufficiently enough to pass his classes. If he can't figure it out on his own then a parental figure will have to spell it out for him.

If it hasn't been discussed I don't think it's a bad boundary to add in passing grades get financial assistance. Screwing around in extended high school does not.

If you guys covered tuition for his trial run class(es) I would require him to reimburse if his final grade isn't passing material (according to the program, not the A-F scale). If hes not able to bring himself to commit to the requirements of remaining a student then he can commit to the requirements of being an adult in your household. Being irresponsible is always more fun on someone else's dime.

From there he'll make a string of decisions - hopefully his parents are equipped to help him make appropriate ones. Better to learn when the stakes are comparatively low and you have a family safety net than crash and burn into full fledged adulting.

Trial by error? Make sure he feels the true consequences of those decisions, not you.

DaizyDuke's picture

I think he needs to take a little away from ALL of his extras for time management purposes.. not just his job. So maybe work 10 hours a week instead of 16, do his car club one night a week instead of 3, and spend 2 nights instead of 3 with his GF. That would give him approximately 15 or so extra hours to focus on getting his GPA up. I'd be pissed that he is already getting a free flop house from you guys and MANY extras and the ONLY thing he thinks he needs to give up is his job?

Nope, that's not how this works, that's not how any of this works

BettyRay's picture

SS20 just doesn't understand priorities and compromise. It's real life, we all, at one time or another, have had to give up something to gain something else.

~BettyRay

Aniki-Moderator's picture

In other words, SS wants to quit working rather than reduce any of his FUN activities. Growing up and becoming a responsible adult certainly sucks rocks!

While your DH made his position clear, he cannot stop SS from quitting his job. What is your DH's plan if SS does quit work? He needs a plan and he needs it to be as unattractive as possible.

Acratopotes's picture

hehehe you can't tell me anything about a 20 year old and time management....

dang they would rather not work then cut time on entertainment, they do not realize the job is actually paying for the entertainment, and regardless how much you tell them this, they will not listen.

This is what i did with mine, He wanted to quit to have more hours for studying... i did everything you and Dh are doing, but no.. Deigma is an adult now and he knows best, I said well its your live and your decision but remember all actions has consequences, good or bad... well he quit, for about 2 months.... I did not give him any money for entertainment.... he needed gas money I would simply pull up my shoulders, he ended up walking...

Only after 2 months did he realize, hold on... my GF left me cause I don't have a car anymore, I don't have money thus most of my friends are not in contact anymore... I'm struggling cause I quit my job,

He found a new job (then left his studies cause it was the wrong path for him, he enjoys his job way more and it's training being paid) He is supporting himself now and paying rent, and he never contacted his old friends or GF to tell them he has money again... He learned his lesson lol...

It was not easy for me to tell him NO for money but it worked